Whose at the Door?

URAVIP2ME said:

I find at Revelation 3:20 it is 'Jesus ' who is at the door........

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Faithofchristian said:

Just because you toss alot out, does not mean someone else will.
Some of the book of Revelation as been fulfilled, There are some that are being fulfilled even to day and some are still future from us, like the second coming of Christ Jesus, which is still future from us.

We are now in the 4th seal , 4th trump, 4th Vail, of Revelation, there is only
3 more seals, 3 trumpets, 3 Vails, Yet to happen.The last 3 Trumpets are called the
Woe Trumpets, that everything from the 5th Trump to the 7th Trump will happen rapidly.
Right now were in the period where things have slowed down a bit. But when things start coming to together, That are in Prophecy in Revelation to happen, Then the last 3 Trumpets will began to happen rapidly.
The One World Order is yet to be setup. It came close, But as Prophecy as it in the book of Revelation, The One World Order, will receive a deadly wound, which it did in 2016, That now in the near future the deadly wound shall be healed.Thats when all chaos will break out, all over the world.

But then, you toss alot out, so you wouldn't know, What's to happen.

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Evangelicalhumanist said:

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And you think that you do know? And you think all that killing and misery and death and destruction -- children, infants, everybody -- is a REALLY GOOD GODLY THING! Congratulations to you, but your idea of goodliness and godliness don't align very well with mine.

Frankly, I think that those like you who really believe they know what's coming should seriously consider just how well they know their own loved ones -- wives, husbands, parents, friends -- because you know you are going to lose most of them.

And yet, they all seem quite thrilled with the idea -- freaking bizarre.

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Faithofchristian said:

As to how do you get the two witnesses, as being symbolic, and dead and buried,
When they are laying in the streets and People looking at them.Revelation 11:8.
And then in Revelation 11:9 The people did not want their dead bodies to be put in the graves. But to lay out in the streets.
All because the people wanted to see, if they would be risen after 3 and a half days. So they did not want them put in the graves
By the time the two witnesses comes into play, we will be in the 5th and 6th Trumpets of Revelation.
We are right now were in the 4th seal and the 4th trumpet, Waiting for the 4th Vail to come.

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URAVIP2ME said:

Oops! I need a proof reader, thanks for picking that up because I should have typed "un"buried ( un-buried ).

At Revelation 11:3 I read 1,260 days, so the symbolic 3 1/2 days are lasting 3 1/2 years.

So you expect people to be laying out in the streets for 3 an half years, do you have any idea that after 3 an half years how they are going to be smelling.
No that's literal 3/ half days
and not 3/ half years.
That would be silly to think they would actually be laying in the streets for 3/half years.

Revelation 11:1-2 links to the time when God's spiritual temple would be measured or evaluated.
Inspected as in a time of spiritual cleansing - Malachi 3. (Now would be a time for Matthew 24:14)
Revelation 11:4 has two (2) symbolic olive trees, and two (2) lampstands.
Zechariah 4:1-3,14 those two (2) olive trees picture Governor Zerubbable and High Priest Joshua.
Performing acts similar to Moses and Elijah in comparing Revelation 11:5-6 with Numbers 16:1-7, 28-35;1 Kings 17:1; 18:41-45 with the common denominator in each case are people who were taking the lead at difficult times.
Since God's people are hated (Matthew 10:22) then Jesus' spiritual ' brothers' (Matthew 25:40) spend difficult time in preaching (symbolic sackcloth) for years. The opposition think they kill off the preaching work and rejoice - Revelation 11:8-10. True to Bible prophecy, Not only were those ' dry bones ' (Ezekiel 37:1-14) two (2) symbolic witnesses brought back to life, so to speak, but now history shows increase because of that spiritual cleansing and the fine work of God's people, and in following Jesus' instructions found at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 to proclaim the good news of Daniel 2:44 about God's kingdom worldwide as it is being done internationally today.

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Faithofchristian said:

As to where do you come by, killings, misery, and death and destruction.Where do you get this at.

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Evangelicalhumanist said:

A book you might have heard of -- it's called "the Bible."

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Faithofchristian said:

There is no where in the New Testament, where people are told to go out killing people.
The old testament was for the Jews of Israel.
The New Testament is for the Christians.

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Evangelicalhumanist said:

Really? Then either there are 2 gods (or more) -- or you believe in a god with multiple agendas for different peoples.

You would be the first so-called Christian to make such a claim so openly to me, by the way. I wonder what other Christians might think of that idea.

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Faithofchristian said:

Then show as to where in the New Testament, that Christians are to kill people.

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Evangelicalhumanist said:

Why would Christians need to kill people, when they have a god that will apparently do it for them? After all, there's the example in Acts 5:1-11 of Ananias and Sapphira, who when they actually kept a little of their own money back from the sale of their property, Peter managed to make die on the spot! What's the lesson there? That when a "Christian apostle" type says "hand over everything you got -- you'd better hand it all over?

Back then it was a big deal to hold back something, that wasn't their's.

So if someone work for you, it would be ok with you, if that person took more than they should have. Right.

Still, there's always Romans 1:32. Paul didn't seem to mind the idea of killing for a variety of reasons.

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Faithofchristian said:

There's no where in Romans 1:32, that Christians are go and kill people.

If you had read it correctly, You would haved seen that Paul said "Who knowing the Judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death"

Therefore at God's judgement seat, God will be the one who will take care of them at his judgement seat and not Christians.

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• Ananias and his wife Sapphira sold property that they owned.
• They gave some -- not all -- of the proceeds to Peter and the other Apostles
• When confronted with this "sin" (of keeping some of his own money, by every law of man and heaven, for his own needs) Ananias falls dead
• Since people do not fall dead whenever they are confronted with somebody else's opinion of how they have used what belongs to them, we can only assume that (as the first four chapters of Acts has\ve been trying to show) the Apostles were using power granted to them since Christ's ascension.
• Notice that Ananias was not given the chance to repent -- trial, conviction, death sentence and execution happened simultaneously.
• Notice that when Sapphira comes looking for her husband, Peter and the Apostles do not even do her the absolutely minimum courtesy of informing her that her husband has died, or hint that -- unless she's careful -- she might die, too.
• And, of course, Sapphira suffers exactly the same fate as her husband, and once again with a chance to repent.