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The Last Prophecy of Revelation

Faithofchristian

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For those Christians, Who believe in the Rapture.

God has given in the book of Revelation, The Last Prophecy to happen, That when this Prophecy happens, Which brings the end to the Tribulation and the Return of Christ Jesus.

Christ Jesus can not Return until this last Prophecy happens, Which brings the end to the Tribulation and the Return of Christ Jesus and not before this Last Prophecy happens.That God has given in the book of Revelation.

Therefore for those Christians who believe in the Rapture, By the time your Rapture is to happen, The Tribulation has ended. ( Over )

The purpose of the Rapture is to Rapture people out before the tribulation. So that people are not here during the tribulation.

But seeing that Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy happens, that God has given in the book of Revelation happens.
Which brings the end to the Tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus.

So what would be the use of the Rapture, when God gave the last Prophecy to happen in the book of Revelation, Which brings the end to the Tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus.

So what purpose would the Rapture be. Since Christ Jesus can not Return, until the last Prophecy happens, Which brings about the end of the Tribulation ?

If you have any questions, About what the last Prophecy could be, that God has given in the book of Revelation.

You will find the last Prophecy to happen in Revelation Chapter 11.

That when God's two witnesses are killed and God calls them up to heaven, and the
7th trumpet is sounded and then Christ Jesus returns, and brings the end to the Tribulation.
Revelation 11:9--15.

So if your looking to be Raptured out before the tribulation, I wouldn't count on it. Because Christ Jesus can not Return until the last Prophecy happens, And brings the end to the Tribulation, That God has given in Revelation 11:9--15.
 
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Oeste

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So if your looking to be Raptured out before the tribulation, I wouldn't count on it. Because Christ Jesus can not Return until the last Prophecy happens, And brings the end to the Tribulation, That God has given in Revelation 11:9--15.

The Rapture is not a return to earth so it doesn't qualify as a second coming. Look at it this way:

You've rented a car for a road trip to visit friends in Philadelphia, Washington, Raleigh, Atlanta, and finally to Miami. At each stop you promise your friends, in your best Terminator voice, "I'll be back".

You decide to fly back to New York. On the way, you pass over Atlanta, Raleigh, Washington DC and Philadelphia; the very same cities you visited earlier. Would any of your friends consider you to have returned? Hardly.

Even if you could have sucked them into the plane as you passed overhead no one would consider you to have "returned" to Atlanta or DC.

Likewise for the Rapture.
 

Faithofchristian

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The Rapture is not a return to earth so it doesn't qualify as a second coming. Look at it this way:

You've rented a car for a road trip to visit friends in Philadelphia, Washington, Raleigh, Atlanta, and finally to Miami. At each stop you promise your friends, in your best Terminator voice, "I'll be back".

You decide to fly back to New York. On the way, you pass over Atlanta, Raleigh, Washington DC and Philadelphia; the very same cities you visited earlier. Would any of your friends consider you to have returned? Hardly.

Even if you could have sucked them into the plane as you passed overhead no one would consider you to have "returned" to Atlanta or DC.

Likewise for the Rapture.


No you look at it this way, when Christ Jesus returns, his feet will touch down on the mount of Olives.
When Christ Jesus ascended up as the disciples look on, the two angels that were standing there, told the disciples, that in the manner how they saw Christ Jesus ascend up to heaven, Christ Jesus shall ascend back.

Acts 1:9-12
Verse 9 --"And when he ( Jesus ) had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up: and a cloud received him out of their sight.
And and while they looked sted-fastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, You men of Galilee, Why stand you gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as you have seen him go into heaven, Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath days journey"

Therefore Christ Jesus shall return back on top of mount of Olives, as he was taken up,

Who told you that Christ Jesus would not return to the earth.
When in fact God's word tells you completely different.

Evidently you make up your own agenda as to how Christ Jesus will return. Otherwise Who told you that Christ Jesus would not return back on top of mount of Olives.

When Christ Jesus returns,
that is his 2nd coming
Who told you, that it would not be Christ Jesus 2nd coming, Who told you this ?

Who told you these things?

As of a matter of fact Christ Jesus doesn't even gather up his elect people anyway. Christ Jesus sends his angels to gather up his elect people from one end of heaven to the other.

So who told you that Christ Jesus gathers up his elect people, When in fact Christ Jesus sends his angels to gather up his elect people.
Therefore as Christ Jesus stands on the mount of Olives and his angels are sent to gather together his elect people, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matthew 24:31 -"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other"

So who told you that Christ Jesus gathers his elect people, When in fact Christ Jesus sends his angels to gather his elect people


Therefore as God has given the last Prophecy to happen in the book of Revelation.

That Christ Jesus can not return, until this last Prophecy happens that God has given in Revelation.
So either your right and God is wrong or God will be right and your wrong.

So by all means, Who do you think will be found in being wrong ?

So how is it that you call yourself a Christian, but yet, don't know what the Bible says.

Is it any wonder why Christ Jesus said in Matthew 24:5 --"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many"
Who else come in the name of Christ other than Christians?
You do know that Christ is abbreviated for Christian.
Christ = Christian.

Therefore when you come deceiving people about the Rapture. Your doing exactly what Christ Jesus said in Matthew 24:5. "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and deceive many"
Thereby your fulfilling Prophecy.
 
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Oeste

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No you look at it this way, when Christ Jesus returns, his feet will touch down on the mount of Olives.
When Christ Jesus ascended up as the disciples look on, the two angels that were standing there, told the disciples, that in the manner how they saw Christ Jesus ascend up to heaven, Christ Jesus shall ascend back...

,,,Therefore Christ Jesus shall return back on top of mount of Olives, as he was taken up,

Exactly! It's great when we can reach agreement. :)

Who told you that Christ Jesus would not return to the earth.
When in fact God's word tells you completely different.

You mean besides atheists and skeptics?

Evidently you make up your own agenda as to how Christ Jesus will return.

Methinks you pull down an argument never made. ;)

Otherwise Who told you that Christ Jesus would not return back on top of mount of Olives.

Any Atheist or skeptic on this forum will gladly tell you that in a second. Just take a browse through the forum.

When Christ Jesus returns, that is his 2nd coming
Who told you, that it would not be Christ Jesus 2nd coming, Who told you this ?

Again, it's primarily those pesky non-Christians, skeptics, agnostics and atheists and, believe it or not, they will tell you the very same thing they tell me.

As of a matter of fact Christ Jesus doesn't even gather up his elect people anyway. Christ Jesus sends his angels to gather up his elect people from one end of heaven to the other.

Agreed. but then you're preaching to the choir. It's the non-believers that need convincing.

So who told you that Christ Jesus gathers his elect people, When in fact Christ Jesus sends his angels to gather his elect people

Actually I don't recall anyone telling me that. Who told you that someone told me that anyway?

Therefore as God has given the last Prophecy to happen in the book of Revelation.

That Christ Jesus can not return, until this last Prophecy happens that God has given in Revelation.

Revelation 22 prophecized:

3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.
4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.
5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.
Who told you that Christ cannot return until this prophecy happens?

So either your right and God is wrong or God will be right and your wrong.

So by all means, Who do you think will be found in being wrong ?

Somehow, off the top of my head, I think there just might be another option than the dichotomy iterated here.:rolleyes:

Is it any wonder why Christ Jesus said in Matthew 24:5 --"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many"
Who else come in the name of Christ other than Christians?

Well I don't know too many Christians claiming to be Christ on this forum, but if you could post a link to that thread I'm on it!

You do know that Christ is abbreviated for Christian.

Christ = Christian.

I would consider your 1st sentence an excellent example of deductive reasoning.

Your 2nd sentence, which is actually an equation, not so much.

Therefore when you come deceiving people about the Rapture. Your doing exactly what Christ Jesus said in Matthew 24:5. "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and deceive many"

I'm not sure how you went from a discussion of the "Rapture" to "I am Christ" at Matthew 24:5. I think you'll need to connect a few more dots for us on that one.

Thereby your fulfilling Prophecy.

Aren't we all?
 

Faithofchristian

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Exactly! It's great when we can reach agreement. :)



You mean besides atheists and skeptics?



Methinks you pull down an argument never made. ;)



Any Atheist or skeptic on this forum will gladly tell you that in a second. Just take a browse through the forum.



Again, it's primarily those pesky non-Christians, skeptics, agnostics and atheists and, believe it or not, they will tell you the very same thing they tell me.



Agreed. but then you're preaching to the choir. It's the non-believers that need convincing.



Actually I don't recall anyone telling me that. Who told you that someone told me that anyway?



Revelation 22 prophecized:

3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.
4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.
5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.
Who told you that Christ cannot return until this prophecy happens?

So your asking who told that Christ can not return until the last Prophecy happens.

Why is it so hard for you to understand, That God has given in the book of Revelation, The last Prophecy to happen, until this last Prophecy happens that God has given in the book Revelation, Christ can not return until this last Prophecy happens.

What is it that you don't understand, What God has given of the last Prophecy to happen.
It's God, that has foretold in the book of Revelation, What the last Prophecy to happen, That this Prophecy that God has given, has to happen first before Christ Jesus can return.

You ask who told this, God did in the book of Revelation. That's who told this. God.

So if you have a Problem with what God has given in the book of Revelation, Then you should take it up with God, Since it was God who gave the last Prophecy to happen in the book of Revelation.


Somehow, off the top of my head, I think there just might be another option than the dichotomy iterated here.:rolleyes:



Well I don't know too many Christians claiming to be Christ on this forum, but if you could post a link to that thread I'm on it!



I would consider your 1st sentence an excellent example of deductive reasoning.

Your 2nd sentence, which is actually an equation, not so much.



I'm not sure how you went from a discussion of the "Rapture" to "I am Christ" at Matthew 24:5. I think you'll need to connect a few more dots for us on that one.



Aren't we all?
 

Oeste

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Revelation 22 prophecized:

3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.
4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.
5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.
Who told you that Christ cannot return until this prophecy happens?

So your asking who told that Christ can not return until the last Prophecy happens.

No, I wasn't asking that, I was asking who told you that.

Why is it so hard for you to understand, That God has given in the book of Revelation, The last Prophecy to happen, until this last Prophecy happens that God has given in the book Revelation, Christ can not return until this last Prophecy happens.

The "last prophesy" as I see it is mankind living peacefully forever in the glory of the Kingdom. Please read Revelation 22:3-5. This happens after Christ returns, not before.

What is it that you don't understand, What God has given of the last Prophecy to happen.
It's God, that has foretold in the book of Revelation, What the last Prophecy to happen, That this Prophecy that God has given, has to happen first before Christ Jesus can return.

Not correct. Revelation has 22 chapters ending with mankind living under the peaceful reign of Christ. Why you believe Christ can't return until after he's established his rule is beyond me.

You ask who told this, God did in the book of Revelation. That's who told this. God.

God tells us a lot in Revelation. What I don't see is exactly what you're saying, unless you have a definition of "final prophesy" that I'm not finding in scripture.

So if you have a Problem with what God has given in the book of Revelation, Then you should take it up with God, Since it was God who gave the last Prophecy to happen in the book of Revelation.

I think you've mixed your interpretation of Revelation with what is written in Revelation. I don't see the two as the same.
 

Faithofchristian

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No, I wasn't asking that, I was asking who told you that.

I told you, God foretold in Revelation, The last Prophecy to happen. What isn't that you don't understand. Who told it, God foretold in the book of Revelation ,that's who foretold the last Prophecy to happen. God did.


The "last prophesy" as I see it is mankind living peacefully forever in the glory of the Kingdom. Please read Revelation 22:3-5. This happens after Christ returns, not before.



Not correct. Revelation has 22 chapters ending with mankind living under the peaceful reign of Christ. Why you believe Christ can't return until after he's established his rule is beyond me.



God tells us a lot in Revelation. What I don't see is exactly what you're saying, unless you have a definition of "final prophesy" that I'm not finding in scripture.



I think you've mixed your interpretation of Revelation with what is written in Revelation. I don't see the two as the same.
 

Faithofchristian

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No, I wasn't asking that, I was asking who told you that.



The "last prophesy" as I see it is mankind living peacefully forever in the glory of the Kingdom. Please read Revelation 22:3-5. This happens after Christ returns, not before.

That can not happen, until the last Prophecy happens, just before Christ Jesus returns.


Not correct. Revelation has 22 chapters ending with mankind living under the peaceful reign of Christ. Why you believe Christ can't return until after he's established his rule is beyond me.

What your giving, is after the Thousand Years reign of Christ, and that doesn't happen, until after the last Prophecy happens that God has given in the book of Revelation.Then the Thousand Years reign of Christ happens.and then the Great White Throne judgement takes place. Which brings the New Jerusalem to come down from heaven, and Christ Jesus establishes his Government here on earth.



God tells us a lot in Revelation. What I don't see is exactly what you're saying, unless you have a definition of "final prophesy" that I'm not finding in scripture.



I think you've mixed your interpretation of Revelation with what is written in Revelation. I don't see the two as the same.
 

Faithofchristian

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No, I wasn't asking that, I was asking who told you that.



The "last prophesy" as I see it is mankind living peacefully forever in the glory of the Kingdom. Please read Revelation 22:3-5. This happens after Christ returns, not before.



Not correct. Revelation has 22 chapters ending with mankind living under the peaceful reign of Christ. Why you believe Christ can't return until after he's established his rule is beyond me.

Until the last Prophecy happens that God has given in the book of Revelation happens First, Christ Jesus can't return until the last Prophecy happens first.


God tells us a lot in Revelation. What I don't see is exactly what you're saying, unless you have a definition of "final prophesy" that I'm not finding in scripture.

The last Prophecy to happen that God has given is in Revelation Chapter 11.



I think you've mixed your interpretation of Revelation with what is written in Revelation. I don't see the two as the same.
 

Faithofchristian

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No, I wasn't asking that, I was asking who told you that.



The "last prophesy" as I see it is mankind living peacefully forever in the glory of the Kingdom. Please read Revelation 22:3-5. This happens after Christ returns, not before.



Not correct. Revelation has 22 chapters ending with mankind living under the peaceful reign of Christ. Why you believe Christ can't return until after he's established his rule is beyond me.



God tells us a lot in Revelation. What I don't see is exactly what you're saying, unless you have a definition of "final prophesy" that I'm not finding in scripture.



I think you've mixed your interpretation of Revelation with what is written in Revelation. I don't see the two as the same.

To answer your question, look what Paul had written in 1st Corinthians 2:14 --"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: For they are foolishness unto him: Neither can he know them, because they are Spiritually discerned"

Do you understand what Paul had written,
It means, unless you have Spiritual discernment, those things of the Spirit of God are foolishness unto you.

Therefore the last Prophecy that God has given in the book of Revelation, will take Spiritual discernment by the Spirit of God.

Without the Spirit of God, nothing will makes sense unto you, nor will you see those of the Spirit of God. All because it will take Spiritual discernment by the Spirit of God to understand those things that are given by the Spirit of God.
 

Oeste

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What your giving, is after the Thousand Years reign of Christ, and that doesn't happen, until after the last Prophecy happens that God has given in the book of Revelation.Then the Thousand Years reign of Christ happens.and then the Great White Throne judgement takes place. Which brings the New Jerusalem to come down from heaven, and Christ Jesus establishes his Government here on earth.

The judgement at the Great White Throne and the final,permanent establishment of God Kingdom and Divine rule are the "final prophesies" in the book of Revelation. The point is that Jesus will have already return prior to this to establish his earthly Kingdom.

The last Prophecy to happen that God has given is in Revelation Chapter 11.

Aaah. So there is our problem. You see the last prophesy as occurring in Chapter 11, whereas I see it occurring in Chapter 22. Since both events are written by John, and since the events in Chapter 22 occur after Chapter 11, I'm not sure how you settled on Chapter 11 as "final" or "last" prophesy.
 

74x12

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  • Noah wasn't raptured out before the flood came. He built an ark on God's command.
  • Lot wasn't raptured out before Sodom was destroyed, he obeyed the angels and left.
  • The children of Israel weren't raptured out of Egypt before the plagues came. They obeyed God and put the blood on the doorposts.
 

Faithofchristian

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The judgement at the Great White Throne and the final,permanent establishment of God Kingdom and Divine rule are the "final prophesies" in the book of Revelation. The point is that Jesus will have already return prior to this to establish his earthly Kingdom.



Aaah. So there is our problem. You see the last prophesy as occurring in Chapter 11, whereas I see it occurring in Chapter 22. Since both events are written by John, and since the events in Chapter 22 occur after Chapter 11, I'm not sure how you settled on Chapter 11 as "final" or "last" prophesy.

They are not the final Prophecy that happens, that brings about the Return of Christ Jesus.

Those Prophecy happens, after the thousand years reign of Christ.

The last Prophecy that happens, brings the Tribulation to an end and then Christ Jesus Returns.
The great white throne Judgement happens after the thousand years reign of Christ Jesus.
But the last Prophecy that happens, brings the Tribulation to an end and the Return of Christ Jesus.
 

Faithofchristian

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  • Noah wasn't raptured out before the flood came. He built an ark on God's command.
  • Lot wasn't raptured out before Sodom was destroyed, he obeyed the angels and left.
  • The children of Israel weren't raptured out of Egypt before the plagues came. They obeyed God and put the blood on the doorposts.


What does Noah and the flood, have to do with the last the last Prophecy that God gave in the book of Revelation,

Why is it that you Christians, can not stay with the subject at hand, instead of running all over to other places, The subject is about in the book of Revelation, the last Prophecy that God gave in the book of Revelation.
 

74x12

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What does Noah and the flood, have to do with the last the last Prophecy that God gave in the book of Revelation,

Why is it that you Christians, can not stay with the subject at hand, instead of running all over to other places, The subject is about in the book of Revelation, the last Prophecy that God gave in the book of Revelation.
You're one to talk after you went off topic on my thread about dispensations. But, I don't mind. The point here is obvious. People think they are going to be raptured out before the tribulation but there is no Biblical precedent.
 

Oeste

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  • Noah wasn't raptured out before the flood came. He built an ark on God's command.
  • But he was saved, miraculously, prior to the coming judgment on the world.
  • Lot wasn't raptured out before Sodom was destroyed, he obeyed the angels and left.
  • Lot didn't have to build a boat either, nor could he stay and place blood on his doorpost.
  • The children of Israel weren't raptured out of Egypt before the plagues came. They obeyed God and put the blood on the doorposts.
  • The children of Israel were not required to build an arc either, and unlike Lot, they stayed in their homes when judgement came, whereas Lot had to leave.

Your assertion suggests the method of salvation must to be the same when it's only the source that matters.
 

Faithofchristian

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You're one to talk after you went off topic on my thread about dispensations. But, I don't mind. The point here is obvious. People think they are going to be raptured out before the tribulation but there is no Biblical precedent.
You're one to talk after you went off topic on my thread about dispensations. But, I don't mind. The point here is obvious. People think they are going to be raptured out before the tribulation but there is no Biblical precedent.

Your right, there is nothing in the Bible to support a Rapture.

That's why in the book of Revelation, God gave the last Prophecy to happen, will bring an end to the Tribulation,

Therefore the Rapture can not take place before the Tribulation, because the last Prophecy that God given, is what brings the end to the Tribulation and the Return of Christ Jesus.
Therefore Christ Jesus can not Return before the Tribulation, not until the last Prophecy happens that God gave in the book of Revelation Chapter 11.
 

Oeste

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The point here is obvious. People think they are going to be raptured out before the tribulation but there is no Biblical precedent.

I must respectfully disagree about the biblical precedent. I see Noah's escape from the coming wrath, Lot's escape from Sodom, and Israel's escape from Egypt as an exodus. The first via an Arc, the second via Angels, the third Moses.

IMO, Christians will escape the coming wrath and make their exodus through Jesus, with the only question appearing, at least in my mind, whether this occurs pre or mid tribulation. I realize not all Christians will agree on this however and I don't hold it out as a "salvation" issue.
 

74x12

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I must respectfully disagree about the biblical precedent. I see Noah's escape from the coming wrath, Lot's escape from Sodom, and Israel's escape from Egypt as an exodus. The first via an Arc, the second via Angels, the third Moses.

IMO, Christians will escape the coming wrath and make their exodus through Jesus, with the only question appearing, at least in my mind, whether this occurs pre or mid tribulation. I realize not all Christians will agree on this however and I don't hold it out as a "salvation" issue.
  1. Which wrath will they escape? God or satan's wrath? I don't believe the wrath of God is on His true followers, but the wrath of satan is exactly the opposite and the true followers are exactly who satan wants to come against the most. (Rev. 13:7) Furthermore, although God's wrath is not on them; yet His chastening may be on them and the tribulation coming will force a choice.
  2. If at every other point in history God didn't take them out of the world but supernaturally guarded them in the world: then why would it be different this time? (John 17:15) I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
  3. I agree it's not a salvation issue, but it could affect people's salvation if they were counting on a rapture that doesn't appear. If they find themselves instead facing the wrath of satan then will they hold out or give in to the great temptation?
 

Faithofchristian

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I must respectfully disagree about the biblical precedent. I see Noah's escape from the coming wrath, Lot's escape from Sodom, and Israel's escape from Egypt as an exodus. The first via an Arc, the second via Angels, the third Moses.

IMO, Christians will escape the coming wrath and make their exodus through Jesus, with the only question appearing, at least in my mind, whether this occurs pre or mid tribulation. I realize not all Christians will agree on this however and I don't hold it out as a "salvation" issue.


With all that you said, How is any of that to happen, how exactly how Christians to escape, When in fact Christ Jesus does not return until the last Prophecy happens, That brings the end of the Tribulation.

That God gave in the book of Revelation Chapter 11, That brings about the end of the Tribulation and the Return of Christ Jesus.
And by the way, in the
book of 1st Thessalonians 5:3 Paul Written in and about the Tribulation, in Verse 3 --"For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction comes upon them, As travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape"

So how is it that you say, people shall escape, When in fact Paul Written, "and they shall not escape"

Therefore, No one escapes until the last Prophecy happens, That brings the end of the Tribulation , and then Christ Jesus Returns.
 
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