"Totality" is a word you put in quotes so I assume based on context it is some alternate meaning not typically described by that word, care to elaborate??
I put it in quotes to suggest what you just stated here:
Actually if you divide the infinite it is still infinite, due to the odd properties of infinity.
Which is what I agree with. Good we are on the same page here.
I see you seem to define "infinite" as meaning "everything" rather than what "infinite" actually means, that being "without end" or "limitless".
I struggle to describe it, and no, I don't see that as Pantheism, which would be what I said I do not see the Infinite to mean the sum total of everything. What I mean, is that in a single molecule, Infinity exists. It is the same infinity within one thing, and within everything.
"Infinite" is not inherently pantheistic, unless you, as you have done, redefine the word.
I do agree.
I don't understand exactly the mentality here. Even under the assumption that everything is just part of a god. Can you elaborate??
Now taking our mutual understanding of the Infinite, or infinity, that if Infinity is infinite within a single atom, or any element of Creation, that would include my mind. Yes, "my" mind is distinct, one of a kind, but that same Infinite that is in everything, infinitely, is also there as it is in everything.
This is the nature of nonduality. The formless and form are paradoxically one and many. That we are distinct is a given. That we are One, is also true.
My toe is part of my body, as is my eye. That doesn't necessarily mean that my toe isn't separate from my eye.
Just because a thing is a part of a bigger whole doesn't mean it isn't separate from the other parts.
The infinite is not bound to the rules of duality. To imagine God outside Creation, means God is not Infinite. My form is finite. God within me is not.
Again, care to elaborate, since I am really not understanding how this logic works. The fullness being of my chair is not within one of its wheels. So why would it be true on a bigger scale??
Don't view God as having parts. Let me be explicit here. We are not separate from God. We are not part of God. We are God. And, I am me, little small me who lives and will one day be no more. "I live, yet not I, but Christ", again says Paul.
And don't worry, I most certainly do not consider Paul infallible!
I'd say that is false and that it is impossible to progress past the Lote Tree, though I acknowledge you likely don't have a belief in that particular Tree.
I wasn't familiar with it until just now.
Here's what I have to say to what little I just read on Wiki. "
The tree that marks the end of the seventh heaven, the boundary where no creation can pass."
Very well, no creation can pass. Fine. But the Infinite that is not separate from me (if it were, it's not infinite), can pass. Consciousness itself, is not creation. It IS, and all that is being created is being created from this Source, which is God.
When we move with in this Consciousness beyond duality (creation), we are no longer this finite mind that sees itself as separate from everything else, including it's ideas of God. We are in a nondual state of awareness, which is beyond the dualistic mind, that 'separate' creation. It is in this state of being itself, that we do in fact "know, even as I am known", as the Apostle Paul accurately describes that state (which he tells his reader is some future reward for them).
"Totality" is a word you put in quotes so I assume based on context it is some alternate meaning not typically described by that word, care to elaborate??
I put it in quotes to suggest what you just stated here:
Actually if you divide the infinite it is still infinite, due to the odd properties of infinity.
Which is what I agree with. Good we are on the same page here.
I see you seem to define "infinite" as meaning "everything" rather than what "infinite" actually means, that being "without end" or "limitless".
I struggle to describe it, and no, I don't see that as Pantheism, which would be what I said I do not see the Infinite to mean the sum total of everything. What I mean, is that in a single molecule, Infinity exists. It is the same infinity within one thing, and within everything.
"Infinite" is not inherently pantheistic, unless you, as you have done, redefine the word.
I do agree.
I don't understand exactly the mentality here. Even under the assumption that everything is just part of a god. Can you elaborate??
Now taking our mutual understanding of the Infinite, or infinity, that if Infinity is infinite within a single atom, or any element of Creation, that would include my mind. Yes, "my" mind is distinct, one of a kind, but that same Infinite that is in everything, infinitely, is also there as it is in everything.
This is the nature of nonduality. The formless and form are paradoxically one and many. That we are distinct is a given. That we are One, is also true.
My toe is part of my body, as is my eye. That doesn't necessarily mean that my toe isn't separate from my eye.
Just because a thing is a part of a bigger whole doesn't mean it isn't separate from the other parts.
The infinite is not bound to the rules of duality. To imagine God outside Creation, means God is not Infinite. My form is finite. God "within" me is not. (I put within in quotes for a reason too).
Again, care to elaborate, since I am really not understanding how this logic works. The fullness being of my chair is not within one of its wheels. So why would it be true on a bigger scale??
Don't view God as having parts. Let me be explicit here. We are not separate from God. We are not part of God. We are God. And, I am me, little small me who lives and will one day be no more. "I live, yet not I, but Christ".
And don't worry, I most certainly do not consider Paul infallible!
Likewise my views don't contain a belief in the Infallibility of Paul, so I am no more likely to be swayed by his words than you would be from a Scriptural verse detailing the Lote Tree Beyond Which There Is No Passing.
My thoughts about Paul. Like the old poem goes, "When [he] was good, he was very, very good. When he was bad, he was horrid!". Paul was a human being. He was like you or me on his spiritual journey. Later believers mythologized him (just as people do all prophets) as being the mouthpiece of God. I don't believe that of him, anyone anyone claims to be a prophet. The words may be inspired, at times, but never infallible. No human, prophet or otherwise is infallible.
But why I gladly quote him, is because those are words I could have written from my own personal experience. They very accurately describe this state of nondual awareness. I have experienced this firsthand, and am merely finding the words of a familiar quote and putting them there to express what I am talking about.
Now, as far as your analysis of the context for that quote having to specifically do with prophecies, I disagree. Even if he is talking to people's beliefs about prophecies here in the context of the whole, he concludes that even these at their best are only understood from a limited human perspective. But, once you move beyond that, then you will understand the Reality to which these things are but mere fingers pointing to the moon. This is, everything I have been saying.