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The Uniqueness of Hell

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VaDcare

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From the little I know about world religions, it seems most don't subscribe to eternal hell. I only know of 3 religions that have eternal hells (at least in several sects): Christianity, Islam, and Meivazhi.

I just wanted to see if anyone had come across another religion with an eternal hell.

I think some Gnostics believe in one, but I don't know for sure.
 
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VaDcare

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From the little I know about world religions, it seems most don't subscribe to eternal hell. I only know of 3 religions that have eternal hells (at least in several sects): Christianity, Islam, and Meivazhi.

I just wanted to see if anyone had come across another religion with an eternal hell.

I think some Gnostics believe in one, but I don't know for sure.

I guess my question is: is it a coincidence that the two religions with eternal hells are the biggest ones?
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Hellenismos has Tartarus. Asatru has wicked people being eaten by a dragon, but I'm not sure if the suffering is eternal there.
 
Epic Beard Man

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Time stops at death so I think eternity maybe more of an abstract concept of having a timeless experience. But I think Buddhism and Norse beliefs have concepts of an eternal punishment.
 
Grandliseur

Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
VaDcare said:
From the little I know about world religions, it seems most don't subscribe to eternal hell. I only know of 3 religions that have eternal hells (at least in several sects): Christianity, Islam, and Meivazhi.

I just wanted to see if anyone had come across another religion with an eternal hell.

I think some Gnostics believe in one, but I don't know for sure.

I guess my question is: is it a coincidence that the two religions with eternal hells are the biggest ones?
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There is no hell of torment in my Christian beliefs; there is only returning to non-existence for the wicked.
 
Satans_Serrated_Edge

Satans_Serrated_Edge

Deicidal
VaDcare said:
From the little I know about world religions, it seems most don't subscribe to eternal hell. I only know of 3 religions that have eternal hells (at least in several sects): Christianity, Islam, and Meivazhi.

I just wanted to see if anyone had come across another religion with an eternal hell.

I think some Gnostics believe in one, but I don't know for sure.

I guess my question is: is it a coincidence that the two religions with eternal hells are the biggest ones?
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There is probably some connection. Religious brainwashing is a combination of carrot and stick, and Abrahamic religions tend to turn them both up to eleven.
 
Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
VaDcare said:
I guess my question is: is it a coincidence that the two religions with eternal hells are the biggest ones?
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It is a coincidence in my opinion. There are other factors that cause religions to spread. Migration and reproduction are huge factors. Another one is government support, because when a government sponsors a religion people join. People will also join a religion if they think its good for their children, so if its a nice community religion people will join. Some people join because of marriage.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Satans_Serrated_Edge said:
There is probably some connection. Religious brainwashing is a combination of carrot and stick, and Abrahamic religions tend to turn them both up to eleven.
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Absent its juvenile paranoia and hostility, the comment is simply nonsense, especially given that the term "Abrahamic religions" is problematic and that ...

Early Judaism had no concept of Hell, although the concept of an afterlife was introduced during the Hellenistic period, apparently from neighboring Hellenistic religions. It occurs for example in Book of Daniel. Daniel 12:2 proclaims "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt." [wiki]​
 
Satans_Serrated_Edge

Satans_Serrated_Edge

Deicidal
Jayhawker Soule said:
Absent its juvenile paranoia and hostility, the comment is simply nonsense, especially given that the term "Abrahamic religions" is problematic and that ...

Early Judaism had no concept of Hell, although the concept of an afterlife was introduced during the Hellenistic period, apparently from neighboring Hellenistic religions. It occurs for example in Book of Daniel. Daniel 12:2 proclaims "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt." [wiki]​
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So the comment is 'nonsense' because it doesn't apply to early judaism.

Which is unpopular to the point of being insignificant.

While the to the popular ones the comment does apply.

Which re-enforces my point.

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Do you dispute that religion is ingrained into children via grandiose promises and terrible threats?
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
Grandliseur said:
There is no hell of torment in my Christian beliefs; there is only returning to non-existence for the wicked.
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That's the nice thing about Christianity, one can Cherry Pick and choose whatever scripture fits their needs. Don't like the idea of a hell of torment? Then just ignore those verses pointing to it. Like:

Matthew 18:9 ERV
If your eye makes you sin, take it out and throw it away. It is better for you to have only one eye and have eternal life than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

Mark 9:43 ERV
If your hand makes you sin, cut it off. It is better for you to lose part of your body and have eternal life than to have two hands and go to hell. There the fire never stops.

Mark 9:48 KJV
The worms that eat the people in hell never die. The fire there is never stopped.

Luke 16:23 TLB
and his soul went into hell. There, in torment, he saw Lazarus in the far distance with Abraham.

Isaiah 24:17 TLB
Terror and the captivity of hell are still your lot, O men of the world.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 TLB
They will be punished in everlasting hell, forever separated from the Lord, never to see the glory of his power

Jude 1:7 TLB
And don’t forget the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, all full of lust of every kind, including lust of men for other men. Those cities were destroyed by fire and continue to be a warning to us that there is a hell in which sinners are punished.

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DennisTate

DennisTate

Active Member
Jayhawker Soule said:
Absent its juvenile paranoia and hostility, the comment is simply nonsense, especially given that the term "Abrahamic religions" is problematic and that ...

Early Judaism had no concept of Hell, although the concept of an afterlife was introduced during the Hellenistic period, apparently from neighboring Hellenistic religions. It occurs for example in Book of Daniel. Daniel 12:2 proclaims "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt." [wiki]​
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Actually Ezekiel makes some intriguing statements that remind me of many near death experience accounts.

Ezekiel 32:29

There is Edom, her kings, and all her princes, which with their might are laid by them that were slain by the sword: they shall lie with the uncircumcised, and with them that go down to the pit.

There be the princes of the north, all of them, and all the Zidonians, which are gone down with the slain; with their terror they are ashamed of their might; and they lie uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword, and bear their shame with them that go down to the pit.

Pharaoh shall see them, and shall be comforted over all his multitude, even Pharaoh and all his army slain by the sword, saith the Lord GOD.

For I have caused my terror in the land of the living: and he shall be laid in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that are slain with the sword, even Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.
 
Grandliseur

Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
Skwim said:
Those cities were destroyed by fire and continue to be a warning to us that there is a hell in which sinners are punished.
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The scriptures have been written so that people need to study and use a Harmonious Interpretation to get things. I am happy you quoted Jude.
Go and look at the cities of Sodom, etc. - is their eternal fire still burning, or do we see that the destruction brought upon those cities was so complete that it clearly was an eternal destruction.?!
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.​
Since you aren't Christian, there is no real reason to go into that discussion. But, hell is from Sheol (Hebrew), Hades (Greek), Gehenna (a trash dump where it was burned and destroyed, even bodies of criminals). Death is clearly seen described as destruction even in the NT, if I remember correctly.
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
Grandliseur said:
The scriptures have been written so that people need to study and use a Harmonious Interpretation to get things.
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Nah. The scriptures have been written so people can pick and choose whatever suits their theology, just as you do.

I am happy you quoted Jude.
Go and look at the cities of Sodom, etc. - is their eternal fire still burning, or do we see that the destruction brought upon those cities was so complete that it clearly was an eternal destruction.?!
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.​
Since you aren't Christian, there is no real reason to go into that discussion.
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Not buying your hit and run tactic here for one minute. We all know why you don't want to discuss it. The only reason I included Jude 1:7 is because it says

"Those cities were destroyed by fire and continue to be a warning to us that there is a hell in which sinners are punished."​
No more, no less.

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