For the young earth creationists

Faithofchristian said:

If to what you believe, that the earth is only 6000 years old, Then how do you explain the dinosaurs bones which date back to some 65.Millions of years ago.

The world of scientist and Christians scientist have both agreed,that the dinosaurs bones do date back to Millions of years ago.

I just like to know how you can take something, such as the dinosaurs bones, which date to more than a Millions of years ago and get them to fit into
6000 years. How exactly do you do this.

Even God's word the Bible, Supports the earth as being Millions of years old.

Let's take the book of Genesis Chapter 1 Verse 1, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

Note that it didn't say when, only in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth, Note after the earth there is nothing more to be said or done Period.

So the question remains, when was the beginning ?
Most bible scholar's will say, Will the beginning was at Adam and Eve, Oh really. So if the beginning is with Adam and Eve, Then how do you explain the dinosaurs bones which date back to more than a Millions of years ago.

Note that in Verse 2, "And the earth was without form, and void
If you take the word ( was ) and Translate it in the Greek language The earth
( became ) without form.

So what happened for the earth became without form , and void

Back to Verse 2, and darkness was
( Became ) upon the face of the deep, And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters"

If you go from Verse 1 all the way to Verse 10, There is no mentioning of God creating the water, So where did the water come from ?
So the water was already there covering the earth.
But why would an all powerful God create the earth and then cover the whole earth over with water.

If you go to Verse 9, And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear, and it was so.

So the question is, Why would an all powerful God create the earth and then cover the whole earth under water. And then later come back and have the dry land appear.
Why not just create the earth and put the water in it's rightful place as it is now.

Why go to all the trouble to create the earth and then cover it with water, and then come back just to have what was there already, the dry land appear.

So this leads to, what happened for the water that was never created from
Verse 1 to Verse 10, to be covering the earth.

We know that back Millions if not Billions of years ago, There came a giant meteorite that hit the earth out in the Mexican desert, That could haved caused the volcanoes to erupted and oceans seas to over flood the earth. Destroying all life on the earth.

But what we do know according to Genesis Verse 1 to Verse 10, the water was already here on earth, that is No mentioning of the water as being created.
So if the water was here already on earth, that means the earth was already here also way before Adam and Eve ?

So this takes us back to Verse 1, So when was the beginning ? Of the creation of the earth and water ?

If a person was to say, God created the water, So explain as to where from
Verse 1 to Verse 10, as to where it mentions God created the water.

The water was already here, So if the water was already there, So was the earth already there also.

In Verse 2, If you notice, that the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters,
So the waters were already there, for the Spirit of God to move upon the face of the waters ?
So from Verse 1 to Verse 2 there's no mentioning of God creating the waters ?
For the Spirit of God move upon the face of the waters Verse 2.?
So from Verse 1 to Verse 10 there's no mentioning of God creating the waters.
So where did the waters come from and why would an all powerful God create the earth and then cover it with water, and then to come back and have the dry land appear, unto which was there in the first place and cover it with water, which makes no sense what so ever.

The point of this all, is to show that the earth is Millions if not Billions of years old. And not No 6000 years old.

Otherwise, are we to say, that the dinosaurs bones were just floating around in space and then one day the dinosaurs bones fell here on earth and covered themselves over with dirt. And then the paleontologist scientist and archaeologist scientist came along and found them.
You really got to be kidding.

The dinosaurs bones are here as God's witnesses of an earth age, way before this earth age that we all live in came to be.some Millions if not Billions of years ago.
In the book of 2 Peter gives account about that first earth age
In Chapter 3 Verse 5, "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water"
Notice Peter wrote "by the word of God the heavens were of old"
If you go back to Genesis Chapter 1 and Verse 1 to Verse 10, there you find the waters and the earth standing out of the water, and in the water.

Note in Verse 6 of 2 Peter Chapter 3.
"Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished"

This is not the flood of Noah's. Note the word ( Perished ) meaning that everything Perished, nothing and No one and even the animals, everything all Perished.
This also takes us back to Genesis Chapter 1 Verse 1 to Verse 10. That the waters were already here.

But what happened for the earth to be covered over by waters, That the world that then was, being overflowed with water perished ?

So we find in Genesis Chapter 1,
Verse 1 to Verse 10, that the earth being covered over with water. That we find in
2 Peter 3:5-6,The earth standing in water and out of the water, That the world that then was being overflowed with water perished.

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Faithofchristian said:

...I just like to know how you can take something, such as the dinosaurs bones, which date to more than a Millions of years ago and get them to fit into 6000 years. How exactly do you do this.

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Faithofchristian said:

So what happened for the earth became without form , and void

Back to Verse 2, and darkness was

( Became ) upon the face of the deep, And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters"

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Faithofchristian said:

If you go from Verse 1 all the way to Verse 10, There is no mentioning of God creating the water, So where did the water come from ?

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Faithofchristian said:

So the question is, Why would an all powerful God create the earth and then cover the whole earth under water. And then later come back and have the dry land appear.

Why not just create the earth and put the water in it's rightful place as it is now.

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Faithofchristian said:

Why go to all the trouble to create the earth and then cover it with water, and then come back just to have what was there already, the dry land appear.

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Faithofchristian said:

Note in Verse 6 of 2 Peter Chapter 3.

"Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished"

This is not the flood of Noah's. Note the word ( Perished ) meaning that everything Perished, nothing and No one and even the animals, everything all Perished.

2 Peter 3:5-6,The earth standing in water and out of the water, That the world that then was being overflowed with water perished.

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1213 said:

No good and intelligent reason to believe that the bones are millions of years old.
You haven't proved otherwise. The dinosaurs bones stands as is, Millions of years old.


Earth means in the Bible dry land, not the whole planet.

The dry land is the earth. Called the dry land Earth, once the land appeared up out the water, called the land Earth. Meaning the whole earth.

God called the dry land Earth,
Genesis 1:10
That's right, once the land appeared out the water, God called it Earth.



The creation of the water is included in the “…God created the heaven…” Genesis 1:1. It doesn’t list everything that is included into heaven.
Well and if doesn't list everything, then who gave you the right to add to it?

So adding water in Genesis 1:1 when there No mentioning of water.
In Verse 10 God called the dry land Earth, meaning the whole earth, and the gathering together of the waters God called seas,this being the Ocean's.and the dry land around the seas is the earth.


As mentioned before, earth means dry land. Before it was created, it was a void, nothing. There was just the “deep”. Then it is said God made dry land on top of the deep.
As to where do you get ( deep ) at there is No mentioning of deep from Verse 1 to Verse 10. So how do you come by it.



It was not so that the dry land appeared. Bible says it went like this:

before he had made the earth with its fields, or the first of the dust of the world. When he established the heavens, I was there; when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,
Proverbs 8:26-27
Ok so explain what Proverbs is talking about, when God establish the heavens,I was there, Who is this that was there?

To him that stretched out the earth above the waters:"
Psalms 136:6

Here are few pictures that show the principle how it happened:

Are you a disciple of Jesus?

Interestingly, the dry land was the original continent that then during the great flood was broken and collapsed and the result was the modern continents.

In case you didn't notice Noah wasn't even born at the time of Genesis 1:1-10. So this is in no way referring to the flood of Noah's.



It says, the world that was overflowed. It doesn’t say everything. Why do you twist the meaning?[/QUOTE

Better you read it again, for the Verse said
Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished,
meaning the whole world covered over by water perished, nothing left over all gone,

1213 said:

No good and intelligent reason to believe that the bones are millions of years old.



Earth means in the Bible dry land, not the whole planet.

God called the dry land Earth,
Genesis 1:10



The creation of the water is included in the “…God created the heaven…” Genesis 1:1. It doesn’t list everything that is included into heaven.
Since God didn't list it, so you have the right to list it, Are you freaking kidding me. No you don't have that right to list anything that God did not list. It's amazing how you Christians take things upon yourself to add to God's word, but then when someone does this, You go condemning them, This is what Christ Jesus warned about being a hypocrite. Do not judge someone else then be found doing it yourself.



As mentioned before, earth means dry land. Before it was created, it was a void, nothing. There was just the “deep”. Then it is said God made dry land on top of the deep.

The deep in Verse 2 is in reference to the universe, and not the earth. "And darkness was upon the face of the deep, meaning the Universe.



It was not so that the dry land appeared. Bible says it went like this:

before he had made the earth with its fields, or the first of the dust of the world. When he established the heavens, I was there; when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,
Proverbs 8:26-27

Hey if your going to Quote something, At lease Quote it right,
Proverbs 8:26 "While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world"
This is in reference to Genesis 1:1, that in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Unto which has nothing to do with the earth now. Who knows exactly when God created the earth. The earth was not created during the week of creation as recoded in Genesis Chapter 1.
The earth was created long before that of the creation week of Genesis 1.

Proverbs 8:27 "When he prepared the heavens, I was there, When he set a compass upon the face of the depth ( deep)

Who was there, when God prepared the heavens, Who was that?
What is Proverbs Chapter 8 in reference to?
Had you started at Verse 1 of Proverbs Chapter 8, You would haved seen that Wisdom was there with God, when God prepared the heavens.
As for the depth, deep. This is in reference to the Universe as the deep. And not the earth, but the Universe.

To him that stretched out the earth above the waters:"
Psalms 136:6

Here are few pictures that show the principle how it happened:

Are you a disciple of Jesus?

Interestingly, the dry land was the original continent that then during the great flood was broken and collapsed and the result was the modern continents.



It says, the world that was overflowed. It doesn’t say everything. Why do you twist the meaning?

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1213 said:

No good and intelligent reason to believe that the bones are millions of years old.



Earth means in the Bible dry land, not the whole planet.

God called the dry land Earth,
Genesis 1:10



The creation of the water is included in the “…God created the heaven…” Genesis 1:1. It doesn’t list everything that is included into heaven.



As mentioned before, earth means dry land. Before it was created, it was a void, nothing. There was just the “deep”. Then it is said God made dry land on top of the deep.



It was not so that the dry land appeared. Bible says it went like this:

before he had made the earth with its fields, or the first of the dust of the world. When he established the heavens, I was there; when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,
Proverbs 8:26-27

To him that stretched out the earth above the waters:"
Psalms 136:6

Here are few pictures that show the principle how it happened:

Are you a disciple of Jesus?

Interestingly, the dry land was the original continent that then during the great flood was broken and collapsed and the result was the modern continents.



It says, the world that was overflowed. It doesn’t say everything. Why do you twist the meaning?

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1213 said:

No good and intelligent reason to believe that the bones are millions of years old.

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Earth means in the Bible dry land, not the whole planet.

God called the dry land Earth,
Genesis 1:10

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Skwim said:

Just to quickly stick my nose in for a minute.


Actually there is, but I certainly don't expect you to recognize it.


In as much as you imply that "dry land" and "earth" are equivalencies, and we have Genesis 1 (KJV) telling us.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
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According to you, this could be rephrased as.

"1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the dry land."​

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
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And rephrasing,

"2. And the dry land was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.​

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
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And rephrasing

"10. And God called the dry land, dry land; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good."

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But the main point here IS: If earth, as noted in verse 1, was dry land, why does god bother to say "let the dry land appear" in verse 9? Wouldn't it already be there? Of course it would.

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Skwim said:

In as much as you imply that "dry land" and "earth" are equivalencies, and we have Genesis 1 (KJV) telling us.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

According to you, this could be rephrased as.

"1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the dry land."

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

And rephrasing,

"2. And the dry land was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters….

….But the main point here IS: If earth, as noted in verse 1, was dry land, why does god bother to say "let the dry land appear" in verse 9? Wouldn't it already be there? Of course it would...

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1213 said:

Yeah, the first verse tells what happened in the beginning. And after it, earths creation is described more accurately. And as anyone can see, in verse 2 earth didn’t yet have a form, it was void, which means null or empty, emptiness, nothing really. Earth (dry land) got its form in verse 9.

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1213 said:

Yeah, the first verse tells what happened in the beginning. And after it, earths creation is described more accurately. And as anyone can see, in verse 2 earth didn’t yet have a form, it was void, which means null or empty, emptiness, nothing really. Earth (dry land) got its form in verse 9.

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Earth (dry land) got its form in verse 9.

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Faithofchristian said:

If to what you believe, that the earth is only 6000 years old, Then how do you explain the dinosaurs bones which date back to some 65.Millions of years ago.

The world of scientist and Christians scientist have both agreed,that the dinosaurs bones do date back to Millions of years ago.

I just like to know how you can take something, such as the dinosaurs bones, which date to more than a Millions of years ago and get them to fit into
6000 years. How exactly do you do this.

Even God's word the Bible, Supports the earth as being Millions of years old.

Let's take the book of Genesis Chapter 1 Verse 1, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

Note that it didn't say when, only in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth, Note after the earth there is nothing more to be said or done Period.

So the question remains, when was the beginning ?
Bible scholar's and Pastors, Preachers, will say, Will the beginning was at Adam and Eve, Oh really. So if the beginning is with Adam and Eve, Then how do you explain the dinosaurs bones which date back to more than a Millions of years ago.
Look I don't want to hear your excuses nor your assumptions, just explain how you can take a Million years and fit it into 6000 years ?

Note that in Verse 2, "And the earth was without form, and void
If you take the word ( was ) and Translate it in the Hebrew language The earth
( became ) without form. in the Strong's Concordance Hebrew 1961, 1933.

So what happened for the earth became without form , and void

Back to Verse 2, and darkness was
( Became ) upon the face of the deep, And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" The deep, being the Universe and the water being on the earth.


If you go from Verse 1 all the way to Verse 10, There is no mentioning of God creating the water, So where did the water come from ?
So the water was already there covering the earth.
But why would an all powerful God create the earth and then cover the whole earth over with water.

If you go to Verse 9, And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear, and it was so.

So the question is, Why would an all powerful God create the earth and then cover the whole earth under water. And then later come back and have the dry land appear.
Why not just create the earth and put the water in it's rightful place as it is now.

Why go to all the trouble to create the earth and then cover it with water, and then come back just to have what was there already, the dry land appear.

So this leads to, what happened for the water that was never created from
Verse 1 to Verse 10, to be covering the earth.

We know by the scientific world discoveries, that back Millions if not Billions of years ago, That a Giant Meteorite hit the earth out in the Mexican desert, That where to day we can find the crater of that Giant Meteorite that hit the earth, That could haved caused the volcanoes to erupted and oceans seas to over flood the earth. Destroying all life on the earth, including the Dinosaurs. That now we find the remains of the Dinosaurs,
their bones.

But what we do know according to Genesis Verse 1 to Verse 10, the water was already here on earth, When there is No mentioning of the water as being created, from Verse 1 thru 10.

So if the water was here already on earth, that means the earth was already here also way before Adam and Eve ?

So this takes us back to Verse 1, So when was the beginning ? Of the creation of the earth and water ?

If a person was to say, God created the water, So explain, from Verse 1 to Verse 10, as to where it mentions God created the water. I don't want to hear your excuses or your assumptions, Just show plainly from Verse 1 to Verse 10, Where God created the water.

The water was already here, So if the water was already there, So the earth was already there also.

In Verse 2, If you notice, that the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters,
So the waters were already there, for the Spirit of God to move upon the face of the waters ?
So from Verse 1 to Verse 2 there's no mentioning of God creating the waters ?
For the Spirit of God move upon the face of the waters Verse 2.?
So from Verse 1 to Verse 10 there's no mentioning of God creating the waters.
So where did the waters come from and why would an all powerful God create the earth and then cover it with water, and then to come back and have the dry land appear, Unto which the earth, was there in the first place and covered with water, which makes no sense what so ever.

The point of this all, is to show that the earth is Millions if not Billions of years old. And not No 6000 years old. As you young earth creationists are lead to believe by your Pastor's, Preachers.Maybe if you, young earth creationists would listen more to God's word, than you do to your Pastor's, Preachers teachings.You may grain an understanding about how things started.and how the Dinosaurs bones got buried into the ground of the earth and Why?

Otherwise, are we to say, that the dinosaurs bones were just floating around in space and then one day the dinosaurs bones fell here on earth and covered themselves over with dirt. And then the paleontologist scientist and archaeologist scientist came along and found them.
You really got to be kidding.

The dinosaurs bones are here as God's witnesses of an earth age, way before this earth age that we all live in came to be.
some Millions if not Billions of years ago.
In the book of 2 Peter gives account about that first earth age
In Chapter 3 Verse 5, "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water"

Notice Peter wrote "by the word of God the heavens were of old" Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth, So here we find the heavens were of old.

If you go back to Genesis Chapter 1 and Verse 1 to Verse 10, there you find the earth standing out of the water, and in the water.For God caused the dry land to appear. Thereby the earth standing in the water and out of the water.

Note in Verse 6 of 2 Peter Chapter 3.
"Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished"

This is not the flood of Noah's. Note the word
( Perished ) meaning that everything Perished, nothing and No one and even the animals, everything all Perished.
This also takes us back to Genesis Chapter 1 Verse 1 to Verse 10. That the waters were already here.

But what happened for the earth to be covered over by waters, That the world that then was, being overflowed with water perished ?

As we discovered, By the scientific world discoveries that a Giant Meteorite hit the Mexican desert some Millions to Billions of years ago, That to day we can find the crater of that Giant Meteorite, that could have caused the ocean seas to over flow over the earth,
Thereby causing the world that then was being overflowed with water perished. Thereby causing the Extinction of the Dinosaurs.
2 Peter 3:5-6.

So we find in Genesis Chapter 1,
Verse 1 to Verse 10, that the earth being covered over with water. That we find in
2 Peter 3:5-6,The earth standing in water and out of the water, That the world that then was being overflowed with water perished.

Notice that even in the book of Jeremiah the Prophet had written in Chapter 4:22-27

Verse 22 "For my people is foolish, they have not known Me; they are sottish ( stupid ) children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge"

Verse 23 " I beheld the earth , and, lo, it was
( Became ) without form, and void, and the heavens, and they had no light"
This takes us back to Genesis
Chapter 1 Verse 2. Where darkness was
( became ) upon the face of the deep
( universe).

Verse 24"I beheld the Mountain's, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly"

This being the destruction of the first earth age.of the Dinosaurs.

Verse 25"I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled"

Well we know for sure that this can not be the flood of Noah's, for there was no man to be found.
Verse 26"I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was
( became ) a wilderness, and all the city's thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord by his fierce anger"

This takes us to 2 Peter 3:5-6.

Verse 27"For this has the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; Yet will I not make a full end"
We find this to be true in Genesis Chapter 1 Verse's 1 thru 10. That God did not destroy the earth completely.

So what was the reason why the Lord to destroy that first earth age.
Because of Satan's leading one third of God's children in Rebellion against God.
But yet the Lord did not make a full end in destroying the earth. Because of Satan's rebellion.
That we find in the book of Revelation, that the next time, God is going to burn out everything on earth by fire, to eradicate everything on earth that has sin in it. To bring back the earth as it once was.
A Paradise on Earth.

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Guy Threepwood said:

You are forgetting that we are talking about God, the creator of time itself, he could have created our world 6000 years ago if he wished to

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Faithofchristian said:

I didn't say God couldn't create the world 6000 years ago.
I ask as to how a Millions years can fit into 6000 years.

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Faithofchristian said:

In Verse 2 And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters"

So where did the waters come from.That the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
As I said there is nothing from Verse 2 to Verse 10 that indicates water as being created.
Therefore the waters were already there.
So since the waters were already there, That means the earth was already there also.
But of course your to blind to see that. Right

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Skwim said:

So for waters to move, roar, rage, and have "watery depths" they had to have a container, which would be the earth.

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Skwim said:

and you can't have evening and morning without a revolving earth, so the earth would have to have been already formed.

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1213 said:

I disagree with that. There could have been the core of planet, but by Bible definition, it was not the dry land that is called earth, which was without form.

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Perhaps planet was needed, dry land was not.

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But day could be also because of revolving light source.

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1213 said:

The water is included in the Genesis 1:1. If earth means dry land as the Bible tells and if it was void, before God gave form for it, then there was no earth before God gave the form for it. But apparently you are too fascinated of your own idea to see what it is really said.

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1213 said:

The water is included in the Genesis 1:1. If earth means dry land as the Bible tells and if it was void, before God gave form for it, then there was no earth before God gave the form for it. But apparently you are too fascinated of your own idea to see what it is really said.

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Faithofchristian said:

Look, Genesis 1 Verse 2 plainly said,
"And the Earth", So how is that you say, there was no earth, when in fact
Verse 2 plainly starts with "And the earth"

But you say there was no earth.
But Verse 2 clearly proves you wrong.
And then Verse 2 says, And the earth, became without form and void.

So that means, that the earth was not always without form and void, that the earth became without form and void.
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Skwim said:

...the Earth and the planet are not the same thing.

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Skwim said:

Do you really want to posit a geocentric solar system?

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Skwim said:

And not to be rude, but I'm curious to know if English is not your primary language.

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