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Is the World out of Control or Not?

idav

Being
Premium Member
I think it is very much in control, just not by us.
To me it is controlled chaos. For example, if you put water in a bottle, the water within may slosh about as much as it wants as long as the water stays in the bottle to the individual who carries this about.

In this fashion, I see the big picture being in total control, the nations on their march to WWIII at a specified point in time, not of our choosing. Nonetheless, the various geopolitical situation is clearly being pointed in one direction with China getting ever more prepared for war, with their island fortresses, etc. with NK getting so much better at their missile and atomic weapons technology, with Russia in the east and in the west, with Nato and the US all - getting as ready as they can.

At the social level, we have things never imagined before, robber cops, killer cops - with impunity, people who just go up to strangers and make horrific attacks, the many numbers of people who kill their own children for various reasons, drugs being one of them. We are clearly approaching anarchy. The set up for anarchy is also evident with the incredible mixing of Muslim into non-Muslim societies, with the total collapse of all things moral, homosexual marriages, etc. You cannot marry more than one wife, or husband, but you can **** the world ;) with impunity - if you want and can get to it, to them. Just doesn't make any sense. The rich and powerful are now shown - whether they are Catholic priests, powerful politicians, movie-industry CEO's, or the like, to be composed of a high percentage of rapists.

Thus we have our bottle of water, the world, and the water, society. One is controlled, the other chaotic.
You sound very pessimistic and sound like you need a hug. All that stuff has always existed, human are actually doing much better. Violent crime has been in the decline for the passed 40 years. You wouldn't know from all the Armageddonists and Jihadists wanting the world to end and trying to convince everyone the sky is falling.
 

arthra

Baha'i
We all need ' hope ' because without hope even purpose won't last.
The time is coming when man will be saying, " Peace and Security " according to 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3.
But those words are only a precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will be the one who will usher in lasting Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

Yes we call it the "Most Great Peace"!
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Didn't Jesus want us to make the difference? I don't think it's a good idea to let go of the steering wheel and proclaim "Jesus is in control". I'm sure he'd frown upon that type of faith. ;)

I'm not speaking of a collapsing worldview:

We are to "gather all the more [unto evangelism, works] as the Day approaches" - Hebrews
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
The World is out of control, as it is yet to grasp the knowledge of what they wait for has happened.

Christ is the First and will be the Last, has fulfilled His promise of His return commencing in 1844, Elijah always comes first then the Glory of god was revealled to the world in 1863. Christ will not come again now for at least another 1000 years.

The New Name of Christ is Baha'u'llah. (Glory of God). Christ's new name is the Glory of God and the Son has come as the Father.

You can be happy to know this.

Regards Tony

The new name of Christ is written in Revelations. Only those who trust Jesus Christ for salvation will know it.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
The Doomsday Clock is now set at merely two and a half minutes to midnight—nearer to a global catastrophe than at any time in over 60 years!
The Earth will continue to go along until it is vaporized by the sun or something. The end for human modernity and ease is not the same thing as the end of everything.

Is the world out of control?
Whose control? We were never IN control. Nature does what it wants.

Countries with a history of nuclear weaponry are frantically upgrading their old bombs and creating new deadlier ones. Countries that once had no mass-destruction capabilities are now able to destroy huge swaths of humanity.
And a lot of those countries who think they should use it will simply kill themselves faster. Radiation doesn't just affect Ground Zero. Look at what happened to Japan with just a nuclear facility accident. The US West Coast will be eating glowing fish for decades.

The bottom line: Sickness is out of the control of humans, and the end of it seems to be nowhere in sight!
Washing your hands will solve a lot of it, plus proper sewage treatment. It's really that simple.

Factories continue to pollute earth’s atmosphere. Millions of people die every year from breathing contaminated air.
Well, we'll need someone other than what we've got right now. That one's practically offering factories more money to kill us all.

Not sure how killing off customers helps the bottom line in business.

And we are running out of fresh water. British science author Robin McKie aptly warns: “The world faces a water crisis that will touch every part of the globe.” Politicians admit that water scarcity is largely a man-made problem and that it poses a grave danger.
There are actually lots of options for this, from gray water to desalinization plants, etc.

Storms, hurricanes, tornadoes, typhoons, and earthquakes bring about devastating floods, crushing landslides, and other types of destruction.
I don't think anyone should live within at least 10 miles of a coastline and we should mandate better building codes, especially after a storm damages stuff and we have to rebuild anyway. We should also create artificial barrier islands. A lot of coastal damage can be traced to destroying the real ones.

Will nature deal humankind a deathblow?
No. Some idiot will still be having children. The population may be reduced, but not even God can apparently kill off humans 100%.

Surely you can think of other grave threats to our survival.
I'm terrified there will be no season 3 of the Exorcist. :p

Kind of how I see it, we were never in control. We just have to make the best out of whatever situation we happen to find ourselves in at this moment.
John Hammond: When we have control again...
Dr. Ellie Sattler: You never had control, that's the illusion! I was overwhelmed by the power of this place. But I made a mistake, too, I didn't have enough respect for that power and it's out now. The only thing that matters now are the people we love. Alan and Lex and Tim. John, they're out there where people are dying.

I talked with them in the freezing cold for at least 20 minutes with nothing but a sweater in the 15 degree weather.
Next time, wear pants too. :p

I believe that the world is controlled by an evil unseen force that the Bible calls "demonic".
And I see no use in being loyal to God if He's so easily outdone by a mere demon.

Not to mention its greatest threat.
I can guarantee you Earth will win. Not even all the nukes going off at once will vaporize the entire planet Alderaan style.

I have heard hunters can now hunt by cameras and don't have to even be physically present.
True, but hunters have to put themselves out there to grab the prize. If I were the family member of the downed animal, I'd wait for that. :)

And given the videos I've seen on youtube, nonhumans see drones and stuff as a threat and attack them, so they're not completely defenseless.

There is literally tons of it. Its a great initiative......but we have to do it every year because the same litterbugs are tossing away just as much as they always have.
Maybe they need to borrow those hunters' remote controlled guns?


LOL ...
Jesus will have subjects or citizens from sea to sea, from the rivers to the ends of the Earth.
Jesus will rescue the poor one who cries for help, and the lowly one who has no helper.
I just wish Jesus had a better work experience section on his resume. He doesn't seem to have done much while here the first time.

Why? because their blood is precious in his eyes.
We're not precious now?

Those who are causing the main threats to the human race are the human race.
But maybe a good population reduction is what the species needs. A culling of the herd, as it were. Rich, poor, healthy, sick ... it won't matter when Earth gets serious about ending us. I think overpopulation can explain our hostile natures.

Who does the buck stop with?
You'd think the One in charge.

Genetically modified foods are poisoning us
No they aren't.

those sciences that develop industries that pollute the air, the water and the soil
Science has less to do with it than legal regulations. We could force them to comply if we really wanted.

When man creates monsters he can't control, you have to wonder about how intelligent he really is, don't you?
Everyone was thinking the SAME thing back in the A&E days. :p

"Gee, God, those little nearly hairless primates can't even follow one simple instruction. Maybe go back to the drawing board?"
Didn't Jesus want us to make the difference? I don't think it's a good idea to let go of the steering wheel and proclaim "Jesus is in control". I'm sure he'd frown upon that type of faith.
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Whose control? We were never IN control. Nature does what it wants.
Yup. Any control we think we have, it's an illusion. We can alter landscapes, we can destroy mountains, but bacteria are starting to "fight back" through evolution, and we are still utterly helpless against the forces of nature that can destroy an entire town in a few short minutes. And, of course, we live in the middle of a cosmic shooting gallery, and may not see our doom until is directly above us and about to destroy us.
I've never understood that. God gets all the credit, but those who actually worked to produce the food get none, those who saw it go from farm to table are neglected, and often even the one(s) who prepared the meal are left out.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
THE year 2017 began with a dismal proclamation by the scientific community. In January a group of scientists declared that the world just got closer to the worst catastrophe ever. Using the symbolic Doomsday Clock to illustrate mankind’s proximity to a global disaster, scientists moved the clock’s minute hand forward by 30 seconds. The Doomsday Clock is now set at merely two and a half minutes to midnight—nearer to a global catastrophe than at any time in over 60 years!

In 2018, scientists plan to evaluate again how close we are to the end of the world as we know it. Will the Doomsday Clock still signal an impending and unprecedented catastrophe? What do you think? Is the world out of control? You might find the question somewhat difficult to answer. After all, even experts are divided on this subject. Not everyone believes in an inevitable doomsday.

Is the World out of Control or Not?

What do you believe?

I haven't heard of it for a while, but it's a largely political entity, moving it forward is their way of expressing a political opinion of President Trump. It also went 'closer to midnight' for Reagan and Eisenhower... so moving closer to midnight actually historically correlates with a notably stable & prosperous future in store.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I haven't heard of it for a while, but it's a largely political entity, moving it forward is their way of expressing a political opinion of President Trump. It also went 'closer to midnight' for Reagan and Eisenhower... so moving closer to midnight actually historically correlates with a notably stable & prosperous future in store.

Do you see that stable and prosperous future brought about by humans? Why does it never last?
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
THE year 2017 began with a dismal proclamation by the scientific community. In January a group of scientists declared that the world just got closer to the worst catastrophe ever. Using the symbolic Doomsday Clock to illustrate mankind’s proximity to a global disaster, scientists moved the clock’s minute hand forward by 30 seconds. The Doomsday Clock is now set at merely two and a half minutes to midnight—nearer to a global catastrophe than at any time in over 60 years!

In 2018, scientists plan to evaluate again how close we are to the end of the world as we know it. Will the Doomsday Clock still signal an impending and unprecedented catastrophe? What do you think? Is the world out of control? You might find the question somewhat difficult to answer. After all, even experts are divided on this subject. Not everyone believes in an inevitable doomsday.

Is the World out of Control or Not?

What do you believe?

The world has never been under our control.

We have more control over certain things, but do not necessarily use that control to make our future more certain.

Even if we do not actively seek to know every possible thing that can go wrong, we generally -and correctly -sense that something terrible will happen. Historically, such things have happened time and again -but now things have a greater potential for greater catastrophe.

Humans lack unity, discipline, proper government, the ability to consider all, power to change all which might threaten us, etc., etc.
The knowledge necessary to do things much better is available, but that does not mean all will learn it, agree with it and choose it -and we still have to consider natural events greater than man's ability to avoid or change them.
Many are doing that which would make our future more certain, but all other people and things are still factors -and even if one entire generation got everything right, the next might not.

Only that which is greater than man -able to govern man perfectly -having the positive regard, knowledge and power to do so -able to bring permanence -and power over all which might threaten man -can make our future certain.

In other words, we need God.
As God was rejected time and again, God allowed humanity to experience self-rule.
When it becomes completely obvious that we need God as individuals and as a species -because we see that without him we will not survive -and have become ready to accept God, God will grant that which we need.
It will not only benefit those humans left alive after the greatest time of trouble which has ever been, but will benefit all eventually -as they are resurrected.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
I actually had a couple of JWs at my door asking me this question a week ago. Normally I don't engage, but felt genuinely curious that day. I talked with them in the freezing cold for at least 20 minutes with nothing but a sweater in the 15 degree weather. Nice souls. I think they left feeling more optimistic than what their Awakening pamphlet (referenced above) was describing. The lead witnesser left telling me, "This really made my day," beaming from ear to ear. I'm glad I could help bring some light to such otherwise doom and gloom fear mongering marketed through the supposed Watchtower.

Love speaks much louder than fear. Fear is what you peddle when you don't have Love.
Wish I’d been there. And felt the love.

Or was it fear? I don’t have any fear sermons.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Wish I’d been there. And felt the love.

Or was it fear? I don’t have any fear sermons.
"The world's is going to end and you need to be saved, join our church", is a message of fear. Love doesn't need threats to draw people to itself.

I think her smile showed what was present there, unless she smiles when she's afraid. I made her day, she told me, unless being afraid makes her happy and she glows from fear. Do you respond like this? I think you may not want to be facing the truth here. Why is that?
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
"The world's is going to end and you need to be saved, join our church", is a message of fear. Love doesn't need threats to draw people to itself.

I think her smile showed what was present there, unless she smiles when she's afraid. I made her day, she told me, unless being afraid makes her happy and she glows from fear. Do you respond like this? I think you may not want to be facing the truth here. Why is that?
‘The world is going to end’ is a Bible teaching (1 John 2:17; etc).

Letting others know the details, is an act of love. (Matthew 24:14b)
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
‘The world is going to end’ is a Bible teaching (1 John 2:17; etc).

Letting others know the details, is an act of love. (Matthew 24:14b)
Yes, just because you do not agree with what the JW's teach does not make them wrong and you right. They have many Bible verses to support their teachings. They are trying to spread what they regard as truth and are doing it out of love. Whereas trying to prove them wrong could be seen as a very unloving act.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
‘The world is going to end’ is a Bible teaching (1 John 2:17; etc).
That verse which goes, "And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever," is not the same thing as using it as a tool to try to get people to convert out of fear. Just the mention that the world will pass away, is a big, long term picture about priorities. It means love is eternal and never passes away. It's about choosing the good for the sake of good itself. It's not about saving yourself from a threat that you'll be killed and die alone and miserable.

My real point of all of this is that choosing to follow God out of a fear of being destroyed, is a selfish motive. It's not an inner call to Peace. It's an outer threat to take away something you're awfully fond of, namely yourself.

And to prey upon the vulnerable and fearful in the world, promising them that they'll be saved from destruction if they convert to the religion, which is what it means, does not seem to me to be what truly matters to the person. You can save your own butt, but still not know Love. And it's not possible to know that Love, if the focus is still on saving yourself.

Letting others know the details, is an act of love. (Matthew 24:14b)
Not the way it is being presented.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Not the way it is being presented.

Those two JW’s that you spoke with....did they present it badly? You didn’t mention they did.

And yes, if a destructive storm is coming, wouldn’t you want someone to knock on your door and tell you? That would be the loving thing. To not tell others and let them suffer the consequences....now that borders on hateful. It certainly is selfish.

Daniel 2:44
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9

These are Scriptures, not JW ideas. And they're having fulfillment in our time. (This statement is probably what you think is a "JW idea", eh? But Daniel's discussion of world powers, reveals we're living in the rulership of the last one mentioned, the 5th one chronologically from Babylon's.)

People need to know so they'll have a chance to take appropriate action.
 
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lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
Those two JW’s that you spoke with....did they present it badly? You didn’t mention they did.

And yes, if a destructive storm is coming, wouldn’t you want someone to knock on your door and tell you? That would be the loving thing. To not tell others and let them suffer the consequences....now that borders on hateful. It certainly is selfish.

Daniel 2:44
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9

These are Scriptures, not JW ideas. And they're having fulfillment in our time. (This statement is probably what you think is a "JW idea", eh? But Daniel's discussion of world powers, reveals we're living in the rulership of the last one mentioned, the 5th one chronologically from Babylon's.)

People need to know so they'll have a chance to take appropriate action.
Thanks, Cowboy. You have a great way of looking at things.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
When you ask if the world is out of control, I have to wonder whose control? It has *never* been under the control of the human race more than it is now. But, if we don't have ourselves under control, that just means we produce chaos in all we touch. We have the capability to have a positive impact, if we so choose.
But, of course, that means getting away from apocalyptic mythologies and figuring out how to *fix* things rather than making them worse, or ignoring them because the 'end is near', or thinking God is going to intervene and save some of us. As long as that is the central message in society, we won't have the determination to do anything that takes hard work and sacrifice.

I find man has had thousands of years to do anything that takes hard work and sacrifice.
Man's technology usually creates a two-edged sword. For example: Atomic Energy / Atomic Bomb
So, it is No wonder man can't direct his step, and that is why God will have Jesus step in and come to our rescue.
Executional words from Jesus' mouth will bring to ruin those ruining Earth - Revelation 11:18 B; Isaiah 11:3-4
 
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