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Should Scripture Be Taken Literally?

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Is this intended to make you feel more secure to tell yourself this? I think the fact I have a degree in theology alone invalidates this fantasy of your wishful thinking.


Little do you know about how the human mind works, or the purpose of symbolism in spiritual growth and development, or the manner in which language inspires. It's not meant to mean one thing, but many things.

Do you think a piece of music is the playing of a single note? Yet it isn't confusion when the many notes sing. It creates a harmony. Confusion is when you don't understand music being tone deaf. In the case of religion, that tone deafness finds its equivalent as spiritual blindness.


I gave you more than what you asked for. I told you that if I have to find the meaning of the angels on the altar, you have just told me I shouldn't read the bible literally. You told me I should read it symbolically, and that contradicts you saying it's meant to be read literally. How hard is that to understand?

Do you know what symbolism is? That is my question to you.


Why is that necessary? There is a lot of human knowledge and understanding of reality that is not spelled out in the bible. That doesn't negate the facts of it. Show me where a car is in the bible, or an airplane or a rocket. Yet these are real despite their absence on its pages.


What does it mean to you? What does it symbolize to you? What does it mean to others who are not you?


I'm sure there are plenty of theologians and scholars throughout the ages who have lots of different takes on the meanings of them. That's the beauty and power of symbolism. Do you think there should be one and only one meaning to these things?

Again still, you're not reading the bible literally when you have to ask what does the angel symbolize. That is what you are doing each time you ask me. You are flatly contradicting yourself. It appears you don't know what symbolism means. That's very unfortunate.


You should want to hear me say this or that. It will help your understanding of things to grow, and subsequently the quality of your life increase. Education is a powerful tool and gift from God.


Can you give the book and chapter and verses that tell you you should read everything literally? And I'm not asking you for your interpretations of the meanings of the verses (which supports what I say about the symbolic value of the words), but a verse the literally says "this is how you should read the scriptures, not symbolically, but as scientific and historical facts without any interpretation at all". You can't, and therefore sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. You have to deal with the facts.

As to where do you get those two angels as being at the Altar, When in fact those two Angels were inside of the tomb where the body of Jesus had laid.

So explain exactly how you get those two angels as being at the altar, When in fact they we're inside of the tomb where the body of Jesus had laid.

But all you do is go Rambling on.

So again Give the Book and Chapter and Verses from the bible to support your claim.
Other than that you have nothing and you know it, Otherwise you would give the Book and Chapter and Verses to support your claim.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
No two gospel accounts agree as to how many angels were at Jesus' tomb, where were he/they located, what did he/they say, and what exactly happened afterward. Since the tomb narrative was likely passed on orally before being written, this should not be of any surprise. It's like how two people can go to the same ballgame and yet have some differing accounts weeks, months, or years later.

Also, the issue of biblical inerrancy was not a position that the early church took, thus realizing that there's a human element to the scriptures. It wasn't until the 19th century that we began to see churches declaring the Bible as being inerrant, undoubtedly do to a backlash against "modernism".
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
So explain exactly how you get those two angels as being at the altar, When in fact they we're inside of the tomb where the body of Jesus had laid.
Why? Why is that even relevant to the discussion you started, and then you go skipping off into nonsense arguments about angels. Again, you said you should read everything literally, yet you then ask me what the symbolic meaning is! Why does it matter how many angels stood at his grave or can dance on the head of a pin? It has nothing to do with what you were talking about.

But all you do is go Rambling on.
That is in fact what you are doing, going on and on about how many angels does it take to bake a cake. None of that matter. My "rambling" as you call it is the result of clear thinking and education. That you can't follow it, that it sounds like the muted trumpet in Charlie Brown's Christmas as the teacher was trying to tell them important information, is not my problem. It's yours.

So again Give the Book and Chapter and Verses from the bible to support your claim.
Why should I? How is it relevant? Are you just playing with me, or do you honestly not understand the words you've been given? I asked you to tell me where the bible says we should read it literally, and you didn't. I'm getting tired of this game with you.

Other than that you have nothing and you know it,
There are forum rules as to what I can respond with, but you should know I hold a very low opinion of you at this point. You are worthy of going onto my ignore list. Good luck in life. I'm sure luck is probably a very important thing for you.
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Why? Why is that even relevant to the discussion you started, and then you go skipping off into nonsense arguments about angels. Again, you said you should read everything literally, yet you then ask me what the symbolic meaning is! Why does it matter how many angels stood at his grave or can dance on the head of a pin? It has nothing to do with what you were talking about.


That is in fact what you are doing, going on and on about how many angels does it take to bake a cake. None of that matter. My "rambling" as you call it is the result of clear thinking and education. That you can't follow it, that it sounds like the muted trumpet in Charlie Brown's Christmas as the teacher was trying to tell them important information, is not my problem. It's yours.


Why should I? How is it relevant? Are you just playing with me, or do you honestly not understand the words you've been given? I asked you to tell me where the bible says we should read it literally, and you didn't. I'm getting tired of this game with you.


There are forum rules as to what I can respond with, but you should know I hold a very low opinion of you at this point. You are worthy of going onto my ignore list. Good luck in life. I'm sure luck is probably a very important thing for you.

All you do is keep Rambling on.

The whole thing was, I ask you to explain what those two angels are Revealing, the one sitting at the head and the other sitting at the feet, in the tomb where the body of Jesus was laid.
In the book of John 20:11-12.

Then you brought up about the Altar which as nothing to do with the tomb where the body of Jesus had laid.

So again i ask you to explain, Why those two angels were sitting, The one at the head and the other one sitting at the feet.

But yet you haven't been explained.
But keep avoiding the issue at hand.

If you do not know, Just say so. And stop beating around the bush. Trying to avoid the issue at hand.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
I watched a debate between Richard Dawkins and Cardinal Pell last night in which Cardinal Pell professes that the Catholic Church views the story of the Garden of Eden as "...a beautiful, sophisticated, mythological account." and that "...it’s a religious story told for religious purposes."


Which begs the question, if one of the largest religious institutions in the world that uses the Bible conveys that there are parts of the Bible that should not be taken literally, and that they are "mythological," who has the authority to decide what parts of the Bible are to be taken literally and which ones are "stories told for religious purposes?"

It is not clear who has the authority. But the algorithm they follow is simple:

1) Ridiculously wrong according to evidence --> demote to metaphoric
2) Not clear yet if it will be proved ridiculously wrong --> keep it literal. For the moment, at least

Ciao

- viole
 
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