syo
Well-Known Member
free will leads to pain and suffering. what do deists say about suffering and pain?
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
deism and christianity
- Thread starter syo
- Start date
PureX
Veteran Member
Why would an entity that created the "laws of thermodynamics" be presumed limited by it's own creation? We humans create all kinds of laws, precisely because we are NOT limited by them, otherwise. So by what reasoning should we assume that "God" is, when even we are not?
Your making a great many more leaps than I'm willing to take, what law says a creation happened?
PureX
Veteran Member
The law that says something cannot come from nothing.
Profound Realization
Active Member
It would be an internal revelation. Being made aware. The blind, seeing. Not so much “revealed, outward religion.”
Parting the Red Sea is perceived by me as like a stream of consciousness/energy/light flowing through blood. When it’s parted, it is like “making the internal path straight.”
“Jesus” would also be this internal energy/light that resurrects within a human being. This source is dead within many. It can go by many names. All that is important are it’s nature/characteristics.
I do understand that all of this need not an external “supernatural” explanation, and this is latent within a human being.
Miracles need not be “supernaturally” explained as well. Simple miracles are sufficient in themselves, such as an old nature like me or anyone else transforming to a new nature. Or the blind becoming aware. Radical change in the nature/quality/characteristics of a human being. Authority is power, and it has power to change the wrong into the right(righteous.)
It will not interfere much internally until someone surrenders or gradually surrenders their own will, and allows it to resurrect, be born.
Last edited:
I don't see it that differently. While I do believe Jesus was sent here. I also believe that God established nature to operate on its own cycle. Sure He can manipulate it when/if He choses to, but I don't believe every single time it rains, it's specifically because God said "let it rain today". To me God set up reality as we know it, as a unfathomably large and complex Rube Goldberg machine, but one which has a vast and various amount of different triggers, paths, mechanisms, that all lead to one inevitable outcome.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
Really? So the fact that my kids know I exist and am watching over their shoulder somehow 'negates' their free will? And when I 'interfere' by making sure that they do their homework I've again 'negated' their free will? That hardly sounds reasonable to me.
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
You're mortal, fallible, just another human who has limited abilities and knowledge, and will die. An omnipotent, immortal God who created the universe and can judge and sentence your soul, would have considerably more influence on your behavior if it was to reveal It's existence to you.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
Sorry, but that's a silly contention. Just because someone has an authority figure watching over their shoulder does NOT mean they no longer have free will. But even then, how does the fact that God is all-powerful change anything? Are you suggesting that the people who DO believe in God and KNOW that he's an omnipotent, immortal God who created the universe and can judge and sentence your soul, do NOT have free will? Are the only people who have free will those who DOUBT that God is real and all-powerful? As soon as you accept God as real, you suddenly no longer have free will?
That's a VERY bizarre concept.