Birth of Christ

74x12 · Dec 4, 2017

Fool said:
I AM the light of the world too as stated by your idol, a city set on a hill. I AM the new jerusalem.

My "idol"? Explain please.

Fool said:
OUR Father makes me the child of god, makes everything created the offspring, the created

No need for being born again?

Fool · Dec 4, 2017

74x12 said:
My "idol"? Explain please.

jesus

74x12 said:
No need for being born again?

flesh gives birth to flesh. spirit gives birth to spirit.

some see themselves as a personality, as a fleshly thing, as an empheral thing. this is why they become anxious at the loss of the flesh. some see themselves as a spirit, as the eternal thing that is constantly changing like the ebb and flow of consciousness, the tides of the ocean, the winds.

those who identify with the body are attached to this world and to the body. it is especially hard for them to transition from this world to the one to come, or the spiritual world; which is everywhere and yet some cannot enter into the kingdom because they can't understand it.

74x12 · Dec 4, 2017

Fool said:
jesus

flesh gives birth to flesh. spirit gives birth to spirit.

some see themselves as a personality, as a fleshly thing, as an empheral thing. this is why they become anxious at the loss of the flesh. some see themselves as a spirit, as the eternal thing that is constantly changing like the ebb and flow of consciousness, the tides of the ocean, the winds.

those who identify with the body are attached to this world and to the body. it is especially hard for them to transition from this world to the one to come, or the spiritual world; which is everywhere and yet some cannot enter into the kingdom because they can't understand it.

Jesus is no "I" doll. Why does it say if I acknowledge the Son I have the Father also? (1 John 2:23) If the Son is an "eye" doll then I can't have the Father ... because He doesn't share His glory with another or His praise with graven images as the scripture says. But as long as I acknowledge the Son then I am sure I have the Father as the scripture says. Jesus is who God spoke to when He said "Let us make man in OUR image". This is a messianic prophecy spoken through the ages to the Son before He was manifest. This is so when He did come He would be empowered to remake us into His own likeness and thus fulfill the will of the Father that He would be the firstborn among many brethren.

Fool · Dec 4, 2017

74x12 said:
Jesus is no "I" doll. Why does it say if I acknowledge the Son I have the Father also? (1 John 2:23) If the Son is an "eye" doll then I can't have the Father ... because He doesn't share His glory with another or His praise with graven images as the scripture says. But as long as I acknowledge the Son then I am sure I have the Father as the scripture says. Jesus is who God spoke to when He said "Let us make man in OUR image". This is a messianic prophecy spoken through the ages to the Son before He was manifest. This is so when He did come He would be empowered to remake us into His own likeness and thus fulfill the will of the Father that He would be the firstborn among many brethren.

you don't worship jesus?

74x12 · Dec 4, 2017

Fool said:
you don't worship jesus?

No, I do. He's the Father. I'm what they call modalist. But, that doesn't mean I agree or disagree with any thing any other modalist has said.

lostwanderingsoul · Dec 4, 2017

Never heard before that the Father and Son are one and the same. More information please.

allfoak · Dec 4, 2017

syo said:
father gave birth to son and then creation started.

With no mother?

Fool · Dec 4, 2017

74x12 said:
No, I do. He's the Father. I'm what they call modalist. But, that doesn't mean I agree or disagree with any thing any other modalist has said.

idolatry isn't condoned by the bible for any form in the created world. jesus didn't pray to himself for a reason.

idolatry is the abomination of desolation that daniel spoke of.

all things in heaven and earth are begotten by the Spirit in genesis 1. not all things; especially humans, understand that.

Fool · Dec 4, 2017

lostwanderingsoul said:
Never heard before that the Father and Son are one and the same. More information please.

wouldn't be illogical if the Father created everything of it's self making it omnipresent in all of it's many offspring, faces, forms.

Fool · Dec 4, 2017

allfoak said:
With no mother?

so i'm reading genesis 1:1-2 and i notice that the spirit, ruwach, is feminine and the waters are a masculine noun.

i have sudden vision of nut and geb. geb is the great cackler. sometimes displayed as a snake head god. sometimes as a goose. he is associated with the ineffiable name.

strangely enough a high percentage of people who have shamanic experiences equate the divine spirit as serpent/dragon like.

nut and geb create the other 7 gods(deities) of the ennead..

1 god for each day of the week? atum = adam?

Symbolism of the Serpent

Muffled · Dec 5, 2017

Fool said:
Was Christ born on the first day?

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

I believe he was born on the first day of 1 AD but definitely not the first day of creation.

Muffled · Dec 5, 2017

syo said:
father gave birth to son and then creation started.

I believe there is no evidence to support that theory.

Fool · Dec 5, 2017

Muffled said:
I believe he was born on the first day of 1 AD but definitely not the first day of creation.

Light came forth on the 1st day from the darkness genesis 1:3-4

For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.

if they are the light of the world and it shines out of their hearts whats that on their face?

Ephesians 5:14

Not everyone understands itself.

Muffled · Dec 5, 2017

idav said:
How is a son not a creation for God? If God created a twin that wouldn't be called a son.

I believe the body was created and the Spirit of God in Jesus has always existed. Since Jesus is both body and Spirit then He can neither be called a creation nor Eternal although certainly Jesus will have a long run in a body that doesn't die.

Muffled · Dec 5, 2017

Fool said:
Light came forth on the 1st day from the darkness genesis 1:3-4

For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.

if they are the light of the world and it shines out of their hearts whats that on their face?

Ephesians 5:14

I believe one is physical light ie sun, moon and stars and another is enlightenment ie knowing good vs evil.

Muffled · Dec 5, 2017

syo said:
the creed is understanding of the bible. it's not human wisdom.

I believe one may be able to debate whether it is inspired understanding or man's understanding but if one is not inspired then the debater is coming from man's understanding.

lostwanderingsoul · Dec 5, 2017

The year 1 AD is closer to Jesus death than His birth.

74x12 · Dec 6, 2017

Fool said:
idolatry isn't condoned by the bible for any form in the created world. jesus didn't pray to himself for a reason.

idolatry is the abomination of desolation that daniel spoke of.

all things in heaven and earth are begotten by the Spirit in genesis 1. not all things; especially humans, understand that.

Jesus didn't pray to Himself because He was flesh and blood. He prayed to the Spirit through the Spirit. The Spirit was given to Him without measure as indicated in John 3:34. Every other apostle, prophet etc. is given a measure of the Spirit. (Rom. 12:3; Eph. 4:7) People did pray to Jesus(in the flesh) and He answered their prayers. He's not just flesh and blood but a Spirit. He's not just the Son but the Father. As Isaiah 9:6 says unto us a SON is given unto us a child is born (This shows His human nature) but it shows His divine nature when it says His name will be called ... the mighty God, the everlasting Father ...

Genesis 1 is spiritual as are all scriptures. No one knows the thoughts of God; other than God's Spirit.

Fool · Dec 6, 2017

74x12 said:
Jesus didn't pray to Himself because He was flesh and blood. He prayed to the Spirit through the Spirit. The Spirit was given to Him without measure as indicated in John 3:34. Every other apostle, prophet etc. is given a measure of the Spirit. (Rom. 12:3; Eph. 4:7) People did pray to Jesus(in the flesh) and He answered their prayers. He's not just flesh and blood but a Spirit. He's not just the Son but the Father. As Isaiah 9:6 says unto us a SON is given unto us a child is born (This shows His human nature) but it shows His divine nature when it says His name will be called ... the mighty God, the everlasting Father ...

Genesis 1 is spiritual as are all scriptures. No one knows the thoughts of God; other than God's Spirit.

he said we must worship god in spirit. he didn't say my father exclusive. you are to pray in the name of he father; which is the son's too. we too are his offspring. he was the first born from the dead. he isn't the last.

whirlingmerc · Dec 6, 2017

Kelly of the Phoenix said:
This is an ironic request?

God told me He didn't say half the stuff in there and it was written by humans. Upon verification, humans did indeed write the bible. Now what?

But THAT'S a lie. Satan never lies in any of his scenes. He is merely claimed to be a liar. He doesn't put darkness in you. He reveals darkness in you. The Book of Job isn't actually about Job if you take the heavenly scenes into account: it's a story of God being baited into immorality and it doesn't even take any long monologues for God to go "yup, let's mess him up". He admits He is doing this for no reason. He ADMITS it openly.

I don't play for the Satanist team, but I can definitely see how they came up with their conclusions. The only one with a convenient definition of "Truth" is God, which is a shame.

At least, that's how He is in the bible. As I don't worship the bible or consider it divine in any way, I am free to feel the real God isn't like that.

If only I could find that in Genesis, which doesn't seem to mention it at all.

But unlike Paul hopes, we can turn to those other books and look it up for ourselves. Jesus isn't there. Paul is lying and hoping his audience is illiterate.

Not only is Gen 1:1 quoted in John 1:1 in a way...
but it is referred to heavily in Matthew the Genealogy of Jesus in greek is the Genesis of Jesus
and in many ways Jesus is tied to the OT in Matthew where Jesus recapitulates the history of Israel
only getting it right (Jesus is after all sinless)

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