Faithofchristian
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That all depends on what Tanakh is being used.
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How in the world did Christians get Jesus from the Old Testament?
- Thread starter Twilight Hue
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That all depends on what Tanakh is being used.
rosends
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Really? Show me one that says anything different from what I quoted.
Faithofchristian
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I just did.
rosends
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No, you claimed that there is one. What is your source? Mine is Yeshayahu - Isaiah - Chapter 9
Faithofchristian
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Tanakh, Isaiah 9:6-->"For a child is born to us, a son is given to us, Dominion will rest on his shoulders, and he will be given the name Pele - Yo' etz el Gibbor Avi - ad Sa shalom wonder of a Counselor, Mighty God
Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace"
There's the Tanakh, Isaiah 9:6
rosends
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That's the KJV of the bible. Not the Tanach. Thus your mistranslation.
Faithofchristian
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rosends
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What you can't handle is that you don't know what a Tanach is and that you aren't using one.
Faithofchristian
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Ok here's both the Tanakh and the KJV
Why can't you at lease spell
It's Tanakh and not Tanach.
Here's the Tanakh --> "For a child is born to us, a son is given to us, Dominion will rest on his shoulders, and he will be given a name Pele - Yo' etz el Gibbor Avi - ad sar Shalom, wonder of a Counselor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace"
Here's the KJV --> "For unto us a child is born, unto to us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace"
Of course your not going to handle it.
But there you have both the Tanakh and the KJV.
rosends
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OK, strike one. It is neither of those. It is a Hebrew acronym, spelled תַּנַ"ךְ. You can choose your transliteration and I'll choose mine.
No, that's some English translation. Which one? I think the CJB which is a messianic version...that is, Christian. Not Jewish, not a Tanach. Strike two.
Yes, another Christian mistranslated text. And if you want to respond to me, try not responding to yourself. Strike 3. You're out.
Faithofchristian
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What ever do you mean, you were Strike out before you ever got started.
rosends
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Your mangled English only makes your woeful and ignorant position on this more pathetic.
Faithofchristian
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No your mangled English of interpretation only makes you ignorant position more pathetic.
Sorry this really is awful, the Jewish translation using past tense is not a problem; the prophets often use past tense for future events, to confirm it will happen...
On the other hand you arguing something that is a fact is wrong; makes some think they're more intelligent than most....
Stick with the stuff you do know, it makes it far more precise.
In my opinion.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the idea of what judaism should be was at variance with what God intended and therefore Jesus knows that better than any Jew living at that time.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe Hezekiah is dead and does not qualify as the eternal father. Talk about imagining a person to fit scripture but then he really doesn't.
Muffled
Jesus in me
Isaiah 9:6 isn't quoted by Christian authors in the Bible.
Isaiah 9:5 and Isaiah 9:7 are both Messianic events that haven't happened yet; garments rolled in blood is ascribed to the Lord at Judgement day (Isaiah 34), and the ever lasting kingdom is the Messianic age after that.
Prophets write in past tense for future events that will happen; almost like that enforces it will happen.
In my opinion.
I believe we should ask him where Hezekiah came from as opposed to where Jesus came from:
Isa. 9:1 ¶ But there shall be no gloom to her that was in anguish. In the former time he brought into contempt the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali; but in the latter time hath he made it glorious, by the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations.
Do you believe the OT is reliably the Word of God? Jewish theology is based on this, as well as The Mishnah. They've spent a lot of effort to understand and implement the OT. Hard to argue they misunderstood it.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe I have read enough JW literature to believe that people are really good at misunderstanding things.
Other than the prophets declare in multiple places they won't understand it (Isaiah 29:9-14)... Moses said they're a stubborn people, who will eventually face the opposite direction (Deuteronomy 31:24-29).
In my opinion.