Charles Manson

1robin said:

What bible would that be? The Christian bible refers to Hell dozens of times.

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Interesting statement. You make such lengthy arguments to support “your” hell. I find it difficult and did not want to respond, but felt led to do so.

“The Christian bible” is a pretty vague statement, IMO.

THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE would no doubt refer to the original autographs, which do not exist.
Lacking the originals, one would then have to put together the earliest manuscripts. I am aware of Greek, Hebrew, Latin, and Aramaic manuscripts. I suppose there could be some early ones in other languages. The problem is I cannot read those languages. Unfortunately I must rely on translated copies of translations and copies. Wikipedia lists 107 different translations of the COMPLETE bible, and more partial translations.
Every translation has errors and every translation has mistranslations. And it is evident to bible scholars that many of the mistranslations were intentional. So, there is no such thing as “the Christian Bible”. But there are many many books that have words written by many many different people over centuries of time, that are called bibles.
As a baby Christian years ago, I assumed a bible was a bible, and they all were the word of God. As time progressed, I discovered inconsistencies, errors, and other problems. As a result, I now have access to many many bible translations. And I constantly shift between them when studying. In doing this, I would discover quite significant differences at times, some so significant they actually are opposing each other. In these cases, I must do more research and study, to attempt to arrive at the author’s intended meaning. In conclusion, my version would agree with your version, whichever it may be, probably in excess of 95%.
It’s the remaining percentage that would cause us to disagree sometimes. Not always even then. And in the long run, none of it would matter. Not to me anyway. But to you it might.
It wouldn’t matter to me, because I am quite comfortable in my understanding. And my understanding gives me the peace to know I will see you in heaven. Unfortunately, it appears that you would be just as much at peace to see me somewhere else.
I spend many hours each day studying the Bible. It almost doesn’t make sense to think about it. I remember years ago when I first believed in Jesus, I thought one reading of the bible would be the end of it. Wow, was I wrong. The more you read, the more you realize you don’t know anywhere near what you thought you knew, and then you need to read and study more. And the cycle continues. But I will say one thing, it is exciting. Very exciting. That’s the word I like to use, because it describes the feeling perfectly of reading the Bible and discovering something new in a verse that you read many times before. That spark of new knowledge is exciting to me.

After quite a bit of research and study, I find no evidence of hell.
I stick to my earlier statement regarding truth. The evidence I speak of is the bible and the Word of God. Those are two different things, you know?

I read something from one of the sources I use which I found interesting:
“It is a vengeful, angry, hypocritical, and selfish person who desires "eternal punishment" for those whom THEY deem worthy of such cruelties, not God.”
Those aren’t my words and I am not applying them to you.

A final thought from me to you:
I meant no disrespect and did not intend to upset anyone with my OP. I sincerely wish you all the best, and hope that my words can be used to stimulate you into more study of the Bible and the Word of God. I have found that when people agree with what I say, I cannot learn and grow. When people hit me with something new or something I don’t believe, then I am forced to learn and grow.
God bless.

BTW, I’m not a JW or any other denomination for that matter.
However, I spent some of my best church experiences in Baptist churches. Great people. I love them all.

Gerry said:

Even though there is no such thing as hell, if there were, do you think Charles is there?
And do you think he SHOULD go there?

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Good question.......
I sure do hope that Charles will review his life with the being of light of NDE fame.....
and become very humble......
which will make it possible for him to go to one of the paradise levels.

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Jesus spoke to me of Charlie Manson at this point. His loving tenderness in speaking of him quite shocked me. Jesus knew also that I had close relatives who were intimate with someone who arrived on the Tate crime scene; therefore, we heard the unpublished gruesome details within hours. I could not imagine anyone doing such atrocities to another and "have a chance in hell," of escaping hell. Now, hearing Jesus speaking of "My, Charlie"???? With such tenderness??? He said this to me, "You wonder at my love for him at how dear he is to me. It is because I know why he did what he did. I knew Charlie from the beginning. I was there when he was a child. I know the pain that his sin is rooted in. I know his pain."

I have read much on NDEs. I have read one widely publicized book that states that hell is reserved for the worst of people like Satanists. I agree with much of this author's writings, but having experienced an NDE myself, I also understand that we can make an assumption or misunderstand what we might only glimpse on the Other Side and how difficult it can be to integrate it through false worldly beliefs in the world. I also am fully aware that this that I write here is not going to be popular in the least. But I can't cover this up. Jesus did come for the whole world. That would include everyone. Charlie Manson was the leader of a Satanic Cult. There is a level in this darkness provided for healing, growth, and fears dissolving. Then entering into the next level. No "altar call" necessary. Jesus didn't have one altar call. He knows how people can be saved from themselves.

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siti said:

Cite one.

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For pity's sake,

Mathew 5:29
"If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

And here is a link to 35 more.
35 Bible verses about Hell

Gerry said:

Interesting statement. You make such lengthy arguments to support “your” hell. I find it difficult and did not want to respond, but felt led to do so.

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What?

“The Christian bible” is a pretty vague statement, IMO.

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No, it is a reference to the New Testament. The most well known and studied set of books and letters ever written.

THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE would no doubt refer to the original autographs, which do not exist.
Lacking the originals, one would then have to put together the earliest manuscripts. I am aware of Greek, Hebrew, Latin, and Aramaic manuscripts. I suppose there could be some early ones in other languages. The problem is I cannot read those languages. Unfortunately I must rely on translated copies of translations and copies. Wikipedia lists 107 different translations of the COMPLETE bible, and more partial translations.
Every translation has errors and every translation has mistranslations. And it is evident to bible scholars that many of the mistranslations were intentional. So, there is no such thing as “the Christian Bible”. But there are many many books that have words written by many many different people over centuries of time, that are called bibles.
As a baby Christian years ago, I assumed a bible was a bible, and they all were the word of God. As time progressed, I discovered inconsistencies, errors, and other problems. As a result, I now have access to many many bible translations. And I constantly shift between them when studying. In doing this, I would discover quite significant differences at times, some so significant they actually are opposing each other. In these cases, I must do more research and study, to attempt to arrive at the author’s intended meaning. In conclusion, my version would agree with your version, whichever it may be, probably in excess of 95%.
It’s the remaining percentage that would cause us to disagree sometimes. Not always even then. And in the long run, none of it would matter. Not to me anyway. But to you it might.
It wouldn’t matter to me, because I am quite comfortable in my understanding. And my understanding gives me the peace to know I will see you in heaven. Unfortunately, it appears that you would be just as much at peace to see me somewhere else.
I spend many hours each day studying the Bible. It almost doesn’t make sense to think about it. I remember years ago when I first believed in Jesus, I thought one reading of the bible would be the end of it. Wow, was I wrong. The more you read, the more you realize you don’t know anywhere near what you thought you knew, and then you need to read and study more. And the cycle continues. But I will say one thing, it is exciting. Very exciting. That’s the word I like to use, because it describes the feeling perfectly of reading the Bible and discovering something new in a verse that you read many times before. That spark of new knowledge is exciting to me.

After quite a bit of research and study, I find no evidence of hell.
I stick to my earlier statement regarding truth. The evidence I speak of is the bible and the Word of God. Those are two different things, you know?

I read something from one of the sources I use which I found interesting:
“It is a vengeful, angry, hypocritical, and selfish person who desires "eternal punishment" for those whom THEY deem worthy of such cruelties, not God.”
Those aren’t my words and I am not applying them to you.

A final thought from me to you:
I meant no disrespect and did not intend to upset anyone with my OP. I sincerely wish you all the best, and hope that my words can be used to stimulate you into more study of the Bible and the Word of God. I have found that when people agree with what I say, I cannot learn and grow. When people hit me with something new or something I don’t believe, then I am forced to learn and grow.
God bless.

BTW, I’m not a JW or any other denomination for that matter.
However, I spent some of my best church experiences in Baptist churches. Great people. I love them all.

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1. The concept of Hell is found in at least 20 verses of the NT, regardless of which mainstream version you use. You are not going to get rid of the concept of Hell by dividing the bible by mainstream versions or the church by mainstream denominations.
2. If you post something that you do not apply to me and simply found interesting it requires no response from me.
3. I did not claim you disrespected anyone, offended anyone, nor have I said anything about Hell its self. I have simply been saying over and over that you made an assumption that you cannot possibly know in your OP.
4. If you cease claiming to know what you can't possibly know, stop trying to subdivide the bible to rationalize a failed argument, and end all the metaphysical speculation. Only then can we actually determine anything about the existence of actual existence of Hell.

1robin said:

For pity's sake,

Mathew 5:29
"If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

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For pity's sake. That's the Greek word "Gehenna" translated "hell" - do you know what (and where) "Gehenna" was? It is only reasonable to translate that word "hell" (in the sense of a place of eternal torment) if you are already assuming that such a place exists.

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For pity's sake. That's the Greek word "Gehenna" translated "hell" - do you know what (and where) "Gehenna" was? It is only reasonable to translate that word "hell" (in the sense of a place of eternal torment) if you are already assuming that such a place exists.

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Sadly, I must give up on poor robin.
He is way too lost to religion to see reality.

Gerry said:

Even though there is no such thing as hell, if there were, do you think Charles is there?
And do you think he SHOULD go there?

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Hell is planet earth

1robin said:

What?

No, it is a reference to the New Testament. The most well known and studied set of books and letters ever written.



1. The concept of Hell is found in at least 20 verses of the NT, regardless of which mainstream version you use. You are not going to get rid of the concept of Hell by dividing the bible by mainstream versions or the church by mainstream denominations.
2. If you post something that you do not apply to me and simply found interesting it requires no response from me.
3. I did not claim you disrespected anyone, offended anyone, nor have I said anything about Hell its self. I have simply been saying over and over that you made an assumption that you cannot possibly know in your OP.
4. If you cease claiming to know what you can't possibly know, stop trying to subdivide the bible to rationalize a failed argument, and end all the metaphysical speculation. Only then can we actually determine anything about the existence of actual existence of Hell.

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Robin, it’s time for you to stop relying on your man made religion and open your eyes.
1 Corinthians 2:4-5: My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God's power.
This is not the only verse urging you to NOT rely on man’s wisdom (words, doctrines, lies)

Read these next three verses:

1 Timothy 4:10. That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

1 Corinthians 15:22. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Psalm 145:9. The LORD is good to all; he has compassion on all he has made.

The word “all” is used frequently to describe the number of people saved by Christ. I fail to see how these verses are reconciled with your hell, which you cling to?

Also, I am sure you would agree that Adam brought sin and death to ALL of humanity. No one was spared. Adam brought it to everyone.
Jesus brought life to ALL of humanity. All, everyone.
If you cannot agree with the above, and if you insist there is a hell for some, then you are insisting that Adam has greater power than Jesus. Time to wake up from the poison of religious doctrine.

I will post no more on here. I have done enough.

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Hell is planet earth

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Great comment.
Quite true, until you believe in Jesus, then it becomes peaceful even as you still endure.
And that is the true benefit you gain from belief.
God bless.

siti said:

For pity's sake. That's the Greek word "Gehenna" translated "hell" - do you know what (and where) "Gehenna" was? It is only reasonable to translate that word "hell" (in the sense of a place of eternal torment) if you are already assuming that such a place exists.

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So you want to argue about a semantic technicality instead of the actual concept. Of course they used originally Greek
(Koine Greek actually), they were Hellenized Jews. The word Hell has German routes but only really started to be used in old English. So of course a book that predates the "word Hell" wouldn't use it but who gives a rip what "word" was used I was talking about the concept of Hell. A place where all those who have not believed on Christ Jesus will go. Do you deny that the NT is full of teachings and warnings about this place or condition?

If you are killed by a gun are you any less dead if is was a musket opposed to a rifle? The semantics don't matter.

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Robin, it’s time for you to stop relying on your man made religion and open your eyes.

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It is time for you to realize that simply claiming something does not make it true and that debates take place when a person states a position then SHOWS that it is true. Everything else is just yelling at traffic.

1 Corinthians 2:4-5: My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God's power.
This is not the only verse urging you to NOT rely on man’s wisdom (words, doctrines, lies)

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1. If my religion is man made why are you quoting from it's principle text?
2. The words you quoted are words from a man. So by quoting this out of context I should both not listen to that verse and pay careful attention to that verse.
3. I test anything a person says against the bible and therefore strictly obey the verse you quoted.

So I have no idea what your talking about.

Read these next three verses:

1 Timothy 4:10. That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

1 Corinthians 15:22. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Psalm 145:9. The LORD is good to all; he has compassion on all he has made.

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I accept all three but I bet I am not going to agree with whatever it is your going to do with them.

The word “all” is used frequently to describe the number of people saved by Christ. I fail to see how these verses are reconciled with your hell, which you cling to?

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Because the bible also contains verse speaking of:

1. The condemned and the pardon.
2. Those in Christ and those without Christ.
3. The clean and the unclean.
4. Those who have been redeemed and those who have not.
5. Those given grace, and those outside of grace.
6. Those that will go on to everlasting contentment and those cast into out darkness.
There is nothing in consistent with God's having been lenient with us and his ultimate condemnation of many.

I am willing to back up any of those comparisons with verse after verse if you wish. But I will give you one now just for the heck of it. What follows is a parable concerning God's division of who belongs to him and casting out who does not belong to him in the judgment.

The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares
24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 13:24-30 - New King James Version

Also, I am sure you would agree that Adam brought sin and death to ALL of humanity. No one was spared. Adam brought it to everyone.
Jesus brought life to ALL of humanity. All, everyone.
If you cannot agree with the above, and if you insist there is a hell for some, then you are insisting that Adam has greater power than Jesus. Time to wake up from the poison of religious doctrine.

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What the heck are you talking about? I agree with what you said only you left out the most important part. Jesus died for all of us but only those that accept that fact are born again and heaven bound.

I will post no more on here. I have done enough.

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Are you a member of a heretical universalist cult or something?

1robin said:

So you want to argue about a semantic technicality instead of the actual concept. Of course they used originally Greek
(Koine Greek actually), they were Hellenized Jews. The word Hell has German routes but only really started to be used in old English. So of course a book that predates the "word Hell" wouldn't use it but who gives a rip what "word" was used I was talking about the concept of Hell. A place where all those who have not believed on Christ Jesus will go. Do you deny that the NT is full of teachings and warnings about this place or condition?

If you are killed by a gun are you any less dead if is was a musket opposed to a rifle? The semantics don't matter.

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And if you are cremated, buried, sacrificed or otherwise destroyed in a place called "Gehenna" (Valley of Hinnom) chances are you're just as dead. And yes, I do deny that the NT is "full" of teachings about "hell". It has passages that talk about "hades" and "gehenna" - some of which correspond to the "Christian" idea of "hell" and some of which do not. As to what these might mean in terms of "warnings" I think we have to bear in mind that the NT also has warnings about dragons and seven headed wild beasts...are we to take these as descriptions of literal realities?

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And if you are cremated, buried, sacrificed or otherwise destroyed in a place called "Gehenna" (Valley of Hinnom) chances are you're just as dead. And yes, I do deny that the NT is "full" of teachings about "hell". It has passages that talk about "hades" and "gehenna" - some of which correspond to the "Christian" idea of "hell" and some of which do not. As to what these might mean in terms of "warnings" I think we have to bear in mind that the NT also has warnings about dragons and seven headed wild beasts...are we to take these as descriptions of literal realities?

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1. The bible does in fact contain teachings about two destinations for all men after death. One is good and referred to as heaven, one is bad and referred to as Hell. The only argument would be exactly what Hell is.
2. The wording concerning the valley of Gehenna is visual symbolism not a literal comparison.
3. You do not warn people about a place that does not exist.
4. You went on to quote the most cryptic and symbolic book in the bible. Almost all that advanced eschatology stuff is symbolic. Hills equal kingdoms, 7 heads equals 7 empires, horns equals kings, Dragon is Satan, etc.....

If you want to get into all that last days stuff you would really enjoy eschatology seminars given by Wallid Shoebat. His is the most consistent and logical interpretation I have ever heard.

1robin said:

1. The bible does in fact contain teachings about two destinations for all men after death. One is good and referred to as heaven, one is bad and referred to as Hell.

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Where are those teachings?

The only argument would be exactly what Hell is.

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OK - so it could be a symbol of destruction without further hope of salvation?

2. The wording concerning the valley of Gehenna is visual symbolism not a literal comparison.

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Indeed it is.

3. You do not warn people about a place that does not exist.

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But you might if the "place" is a "visual symbol" of destruction without further hope of salvation.

4. You went on to quote the most cryptic and symbolic book in the bible. Almost all that advanced eschatology stuff is symbolic. Hills equal kingdoms, 7 heads equals 7 empires, horns equals kings, Dragon is Satan, etc.....

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So the parable of the rich man and Lazarus is not symbolic? What about the wheat and the tares, the prodigal son, the sheep and the goats, the wise and foolish virgins...are these all to be taken literally? Are we all going to sprout wool, grow curly horns and walk on all fours before the throne of judgement?

If you want to get into all that last days stuff you would really enjoy eschatology seminars given by Wallid Shoebat. His is the most consistent and logical interpretation I have ever heard.

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I'll pass thanks.

siti said:

Where are those teachings?

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Here are 44: 44 Bible verses about Eternal Judgment

Just type in Judgment, hell, and heaven and surf through 13 millions links plus.

OK - so it could be a symbol of destruction without further hope of salvation?

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Well, as I stated the human race will be ultimately divided between those who are God's children based on faith and being born again into Christ, and those that are condemened. There I sjust no escaping that doctrine. However what everlasting condemnation is exactly is another matter and any manner of interpretations exist. I can only state what my opinion is as far as Hell is concerned.

I believe it may or may not be a literal place of suffering (which the imagery of the valley of Gehenna is used to describe), but I believe that at some point in time that Hell is absolute annihilation of all the sources of the condemned. I can explain all the reasons why that is my take on what Hell actually is if you desire them.

Indeed it is.

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It is refreshing to have some agreement in the discussion. By far this is your most reasonable post so far.

But you might if the "place" is a "visual symbol" of destruction without further hope of salvation.

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That would simply mean that destruction is what is meant by Hell. Maybe we are not so far apart as I thought we were on these issues.

So the parable of the rich man and Lazarus is not symbolic? What about the wheat and the tares, the prodigal son, the sheep and the goats, the wise and foolish virgins...are these all to be taken literally? Are we all going to sprout wool, grow curly horns and walk on all fours before the throne of judgment?
I'll pass thanks.

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IMO
1. Can you quote which verses about Lazarus you refer to?
2. Wheat and tares are symbolic of the saved and the damned.
3. The prodigal son is a parable.
4. The virgins are symbolic.
5. They are to be taken as representing a literal judgment that will literally and actually occur.
6. No we will not sprout wool, etc...... but we will appear before the actual throne of judgment.

Apocalyptic and eschatological verses use symbology more than any other parts of the bible and it is very hard to separate the literals from the allegories. That's why I recommended Wallid Shoebat. IMO he has done a better job at it than anyone I know of.

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That would simply mean that destruction is what is meant by Hell.

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But we're all headed for "destruction" aren't we? We will all die. So if by "heaven" and "hell" you mean that some people will die and never wake up again then fine - I agree that this might very well be what is intended in scripture and every single one of the symbolic passages that refer to "sheol" (OT), "hades" and "Gehenna" (NT) can be sensibly interpreted that way. But the idea of a burning hell in which the wicked are tortured incessantly for ever is not borne out by a careful examination of the Bible. Indeed, there are verses that speak directly against such an idea - e.g. Ecclesiastes 9:5; Romans 6:7, Romans 6:23

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But we're all headed for "destruction" aren't we?

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Nope according to the book your supposed to know enough about to argue against it, everyone will be raised from the dead at the judgment. Some to everlasting life in perfect contentment with God and the rest into damnation (which in my view is eventual annihilation).

We will all die. So if by "heaven" and "hell" you mean that some people will die and never wake up again then fine - I agree that this might very well be what is intended in scripture and every single one of the symbolic passages that refer to "sheol" (OT), "hades" and "Gehenna" (NT) can be sensibly interpreted that way. But the idea of a burning hell in which the wicked are tortured incessantly for ever is not borne out by a careful examination of the Bible. Indeed, there are verses that speak directly against such an idea - e.g. Ecclesiastes 9:5; Romans 6:7, Romans 6:23

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When I speak of Hell, condemnation, being cast out into outer darkness, eternal separation from God entirely, ect.... I am not talking about mere physical death which the bible equates to sleep. I am referring to the second death where both body and soul are annihilated after an indeterminate amount of physical and psychological suffering.

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Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Why warn people of God doing that if God has no intention of ever doing so? And the author's are not referring to a handful of people here either.

I think the following verse contradicts every point you have made, answered every question you have asked, and affirms my entire position.

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Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
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The billion in Hell along with Hell it's self are annihilated in this late end time event. I would show you point by point how these verses and my worldviews makes everything come out consistent and just in the end but I am out of time, sorry.

1robin said:

When I speak of Hell... I am referring to the second death where both body and soul are annihilated after an indeterminate amount of physical and psychological suffering.

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Nice!

1robin said:

Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire.

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1robin said:

The billion in Hell along with Hell it's self are annihilated in this late end time event.

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Ah I see - so the lake of fire = hell, hades = hell, gehenna = hell and, in the end, all these hells are thrown into hell and the lake of fire is thrown into the lake of fire - that's really clear.

1robin said:

I would show you point by point how these verses and my worldviews makes everything come out consistent and just in the end but I am out of time, sorry.

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Oh dear, how sad! Looks like I'm destined for an indeterminate amount of physical and psychological suffering then. Thanks be to God! Hallelujah! Praise the Lord! And all Gods people said: "Amen"!

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I do not know what context your using that word in so I don't know how to respond.

Ah I see - so the lake of fire = hell, hades = hell, gehenna = hell and, in the end, all these hells are thrown into hell and the lake of fire is thrown into the lake of fire - that's really clear.

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It's easy to sympathize with someone concerning their mastery of the entirety of biblical eschatology, but to not understand what was contained in a single medium sized post?

I can't believe how you could overcomplicated a very simple issue to this extent. It looks almost intentional.

So lets take it from the top, AGAIN!!! In the context of Christian doctrine.
1. The bible posits two eventual destinations for each person who has ever lived.
2. One is a good place where we dwell with God for eternity, usually referred to as heaven, paradise, or the kingdom of God.
3. The other is a bad place where God nor anything that depends on God will cease to exist. Hell, Hades, Sheol, Gehenna are all names used in the bible to refer to the bad place (Sheol's usage being a little more context orientated and Gehenna used more as visual imagery). Hell (the word you said was not in the bible) is the most common word used for the destination of the damned.

In my informed and evidence based opinion the people who are condemned at the judgment are sent to Hell and suffer there for a finite time. After Hell has served it's purpose it and it's contents are annihilated all together in the lake of fire.

This is perfectly consistent, coherent, and easily understood.

Oh dear, how sad! Looks like I'm destined for an indeterminate amount of physical and psychological suffering then. Thanks be to God! Hallelujah! Praise the Lord! And all Gods people said: "Amen"!

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That is between you and God, I condemn no one. I do however condemn arguments and yours is definitely worthy of it. These issues are also far too profound to treat as superficially as you do.

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But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken.

1robin said:

I do not know what context your using that word in so I don't know how to respond.

It's easy to sympathize with someone concerning their mastery of the entirety of biblical eschatology, but to not understand what was contained in a single medium sized post?

I can't believe how you could overcomplicated a very simple issue to this extent. It looks almost intentional.

So lets take it from the top, AGAIN!!! In the context of Christian doctrine.
1. The bible posits two eventual destinations for each person who has ever lived.
2. One is a good place where we dwell with God for eternity, usually referred to as heaven, paradise, or the kingdom of God.
3. The other is a bad place where God nor anything that depends on God will cease to exist. Hell, Hades, Sheol, Gehenna are all names used in the bible to refer to the bad place (Sheol's usage being a little more context orientated and Gehenna used more as visual imagery). Hell (the word you said was not in the bible) is the most common word used for the destination of the damned.

In my informed and evidence based opinion the people who are condemned at the judgment are sent to Hell and suffer there for a finite time. After Hell has served it's purpose it and it's contents are annihilated all together in the lake of fire.

This is perfectly consistent, coherent, and easily understood.

That is between you and God, I condemn no one. I do however condemn arguments and yours is definitely worthy of it. These issues are also far too profound to treat as superficially as you do.

New International Version
But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken.

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So what happened to the "second death" - you previously said that this was what you meant by "hell" - but doesn't the Bible say the "second death" IS "the lake of fire"? So if you saying that "Hades" is also "Hell" then how does saying that Hades (= hell according to you) is thrown into the lake of fire (= second death according to the Bible = hell according to you) not equate to hell being thrown into hell - and how does that make any sense? You are not obliged to answer if it is too "over-complicated" for you. Just take comfort that the idea of hell is such a preposterous and inconsistent idea that it probably doesn't exist and you don't have to worry too much about condemning your fellow man in order to avoid going there.