Prominent Marks of the True Church of the Lord Today

adlemi · Aug 5, 2006

Prominent Marks of the True Church of the Lord Today
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1. In the true church of the Lord, there is no man pastor/s who will teach his brothers nor will there be any one to act as leader, but in the True Church of the Lord, the Lord God Almighty who is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ is the One, the only Good Pastor himself who personally teaches each and everyone in the church and the Lord God is the only One high and above all mankind and all creations. The Lord God is the only keeper and overseers of the flock and the only One adding or deducting a member/s to the church. Nobody knows the location and status of the church members for only the Lord knows it and those whom the Lord wishes to.

2. In the true church of the Lord, each and everyone is equal to and/or is at par with each other. None is poor neither rich, none is sick nor healthy, none is humbled nor exalted, none is big nor small, but all is whole and already healed in spirit. If there is any impairment between and amongst themselves, they are only in flesh, but not in spirit.

3. In the true church of the Lord, no one is allowed to explain the holy scriptures/bible and teach same to his brother for the Lord God is the only One who will teach each and everyone among mankind and the only duty of any member is just to tell the world to call on to and to go to the Lord God directly and seek the Lord true to their heart, soul, and mind. If there will be any explanation of the scriptures/bible to be made (like in a bible study which is allowed by the Lord), same should be treated as only their own explanation and should be kept to themselves. Never at all that same should be made doctrine/s of the church for in the church of the Lord, there is no doctrine whatsoever because the Lord God himself is the only Teacher/Good Pastor and the teachings will always come from the Lord God alone.

4. In the true church of the Lord, none is boastful saying that they are the only ones to be saved and outside of their church is no salvation and they do not mingle in any troublesome activities, but rather they spread the words that the Lord is uttering to them in guiding their fellow men to the way leading to the kingdom of God.
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Questions:

a. Why are different religious denominations today have only man pastors instead of having the Almighty Lord God as their only Good Pastor and Teacher who will teach them about God, about the bible, and about all things?

b. Why are different religious denominations today typically get their teachings and doctrines only from the bible instead of having them all emanate directly from the Almighty Lord God himself as in the days of the Old and New Testament times?

bigvindaloo · Aug 5, 2006

adlemi said:
Prominent Marks of the True Church of the Lord Today
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1. In the true church of the Lord, there is no man pastor/s who will teach his brothers nor will there be any one to act as leader, but in the True Church of the Lord, the Lord God Almighty who is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ is the One, the only Good Pastor himself who personally teaches each and everyone in the church and the Lord God is the only One high and above all mankind and all creations. The Lord God is the only keeper and overseers of the flock and the only One adding or deducting a member/s to the church. Nobody knows the location and status of the church members for only the Lord knows it and those whom the Lord wishes to.

2. In the true church of the Lord, each and everyone is equal to and/or is at par with each other. None is poor neither rich, none is sick nor healthy, none is humbled nor exalted, none is big nor small, but all is whole and already healed in spirit. If there is any impairment between and amongst themselves, they are only in flesh, but not in spirit.

3. In the true church of the Lord, no one is allowed to explain the holy scriptures/bible and teach same to his brother for the Lord God is the only One who will teach each and everyone among mankind and the only duty of any member is just to tell the world to call on to and to go to the Lord God directly and seek the Lord true to their heart, soul, and mind. If there will be any explanation of the scriptures/bible to be made (like in a bible study which is allowed by the Lord), same should be treated as only their own explanation and should be kept to themselves. Never at all that same should be made doctrine/s of the church for in the church of the Lord, there is no doctrine whatsoever because the Lord God himself is the only Teacher/Good Pastor and the teachings will always come from the Lord God alone.

4. In the true church of the Lord, none is boastful saying that they are the only ones to be saved and outside of their church is no salvation and they do not mingle in any troublesome activities, but rather they spread the words that the Lord is uttering to them in guiding their fellow men to the way leading to the kingdom of God.
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Questions:

a. Why are different religious denominations today have only man pastors instead of having the Almighty Lord God as their only Good Pastor and Teacher who will teach them about God, about the bible, and about all things?

b. Why are different religious denominations today typically get their teachings and doctrines only from the bible instead of having them all emanate directly from the Almighty Lord God himself as in the days of the Old and New Testament times?

a) God requires us to "utter" his word.
b) A pastor quotes the Bible as his/her source. The credibility of direct emanations is predicated upon this Word.

Halcyon · Aug 6, 2006

So, to sum up your post, the true Church is;

1. Without hierarchy, no middlemen - the people should turn to God for instruction.

2. Everyone is equal in the eyes of God.

3. People should come to their own understanding of God and scripture, not rely on others opinion.

4. The true church is inclusivist.

Well, the true church is Gnosticism then.

a. Why are different religious denominations today have only man pastors instead of having the Almighty Lord God as their only Good Pastor and Teacher who will teach them about God, about the bible, and about all things?

Because all extant Christian denominations today stem from the orthodox Christianity of Ireneus - a Christianity of many bishops. A version of Christianity where God can only be found through the hierarchy of the church, talking of personal experience of God is heretical.

b. Why are different religious denominations today typically get their teachings and doctrines only from the bible instead of having them all emanate directly from the Almighty Lord God himself as in the days of the Old and New Testament times?

Because that leads to heresy. Traditional/orthodox Christianity designed the Holy Bible specifically to keep people in line, they had a set number of religious books to read, a set interpretation of those books and thus a belief in God as determined by the Church.

adlemi · Aug 6, 2006

Halcyon said:
So, to sum up your post, the true Church is;

1. Without hierarchy, no middlemen - the people should turn to God for instruction.

2. Everyone is equal in the eyes of God.

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True.

3. People should come to their own understanding of God and scripture, not rely on others opinion.

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People should come to directly with God and placed themselves under the direct tutelage of God to learn things of God and so with the scriptures.

4. The true church is inclusivist

Well, the true church is Gnosticism then.

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This is as far a human perception is concerned but not with the Lord God who teaches that He alone is the Good Pastor and Teacher of all so that those who will believe will not go astray of the way leading to the kingdom of God.

Because all extant Christian denominations today stem from the orthodox Christianity of Ireneus - a Christianity of many bishops. A version of Christianity where God can only be found through the hierarchy of the church, talking of personal experience of God is heretical.

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Have fear in God and not with men.

Because that leads to heresy. Traditional/orthodox Christianity designed the Holy Bible specifically to keep people in line, they had a set number of religious books to read, a set interpretation of those books and thus a belief in God as determined by the Church.

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Always put God in your life above all things but never, at all, put the bible above the Lord God if you want eternal life with God in Paradise.

adlemi · Aug 6, 2006

bigvindaloo said:
a) God requires us to "utter" his word.

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How did God tell you that? Did God speak to you as God did in the biblical times?

b) A pastor quotes the Bible as his/her source. The credibility of direct emanations is predicated upon this Word.[/

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Even the recorded events in the bible will be in total disagreement with what you are saying here. Biblical characters talked directly to God and not thru the scriptures only.

!Fluffy! · Aug 6, 2006

Adlemi, I am waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Go ahead, tell us where 'God' is so we can all become acolytes. If you have an address, that would be great.

(Didn't you mention it is somewhere in the Philippines?

P.S.: DON'T drink the Kool-Aid til we get there.

bigvindaloo · Aug 6, 2006

adlemi said:
bigvindaloo said:

How did God tell you that? Did God speak to you as God did in the biblical times?

Even the recorded events in the bible will be in total disagreement with what you are saying here. Biblical characters talked directly to God and not thru the scriptures only.

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Does God talk to people? This seems an assumption you are prepared to accept. From my position then I cannot connect with this, because God never spoke to me directly. However, I see plenty of pastors professing to have talked to him. So when they "utter" his word, I have something I can communicate with as the word of God if I choose to believe it. Secondly, pastors etc use the Bible as a source because otherwise how are followers or sceptics to differentiate them from raving lunatics. Having a Bible in your hand lends credibility don't you think? Then when they go off on a tangent of relating an experience of direct communication with God, they can refer to the Bible to justify the content of the conversation, and present a coherent version of events to others.

may · Aug 7, 2006

The last thing that Jesus told his disiples to do was to GO.............Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things matthew 28;19-20 yes when holy spirit is behind his followers they can accomplish great things
(Acts 1:8) but YOU will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon YOU, and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·de´a and Sa·mar´i·a and to the most distant part of the earth. ..............and it is still going on right now.
(Revelation 14:6) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,
And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come matthew 24;14
(Romans 10:15) How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Just as it is written: "How comely are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!"

adlemi · Aug 7, 2006

Moon Woman said:
Adlemi, I am waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Go ahead, tell us where 'God' is so we can all become acolytes. If you have an address, that would be great.

(Didn't you mention it is somewhere in the Philippines?

P.S.: DON'T drink the Kool-Aid til we get there.

God is everywhere, not only in the Philippines. God is just besides you rite now.

adlemi · Aug 7, 2006

bigvindaloo said:
adlemi said:

Does God talk to people?

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Today, yes, 100 % God is talking to people and I am speaking to you based on how we experienced God talking to us, live and not just hallucination.

This seems an assumption you are prepared to accept

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Ours is real experience and not just an assumption.

I cannot connect with this, because God never spoke to me directly.

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Then what you are telling me now is just based on what you heard and what you read.

However, I see plenty of pastors professing to have talked to him. So when they "utter" his word, I have something I can communicate with as the word of God if I choose to believe it.

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They are just talking about the bible. The bible is not the Lord God.

Secondly, pastors etc use the Bible as a source because otherwise how are followers or sceptics to differentiate them from raving lunatics. Having a Bible in your hand lends credibility don't you think?

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With the bible only in your hand, then there is no difference at all with those who only conceptualize God in their minds. Having God himself in your life will lead you to the straight path, to the Kingdom of God.

Then when they go off on a tangent of relating an experience of direct communication with God, they can refer to the Bible to justify the content of the conversation, and present a coherent version of events to others.

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That will be the time that you will lose God because the bible is not God, why refer to the bible? Ask God to show you the right move for you to be able to know God in reality, not thru a book only.

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adlemi · Aug 7, 2006

may said:
(Romans 10:15) How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Just as it is written: "How comely are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!"

This is the very important part that you must consider today, who sends the pastors or preachers or priests today to preach the bible? How are they being sent? Where is God in the life of the people today compared with the life of the people in the biblical times?

may · Aug 8, 2006

adlemi said:
This is the very important part that you must consider today, who sends the pastors or preachers or priests today to preach the bible? How are they being sent? Where is God in the life of the people today compared with the life of the people in the biblical times?

Jesus christ gave all of his followers this work to do , so it is Jesus command to all christians to be making known the kingdom and teaching others what Jesus taught them . even if people are not wanting to hear and close their ears , it makes no difference to christians , because it is for a witness, people can never say that they have not had the chance to learn about the Goodnews of the established heavenly kingdom. it is being made known on a world wide global scale , and it is Jehovahs witness who are making known the established heavenly kingdom , many things are happening in these the last days regarding bible prophecy and chronology ,we are living in thrilling times indeed. and Jesus wants the goodnews to be made known
(Mark 13:10) Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.......... then, according to the bible , Gods heavenly kingdom goverment will step into the affairs of humans, as Daniel 2;44 tells us
"And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; ............... yes notice it says ,(in the days of those kings) while manmade goverments are still ruling ,Gods heavenly goverment was established in 1914 in the heavens , and Jesus is waiting for the command from his father Jehovah to put all manmade goverments out of action.

Lindsey-Loo · Aug 8, 2006

The true church has elders, who oversee the flock, the congregation. They are learned men of good repute. A true church has several members who are willing to preach and teach the congregation. A true church uses the Bible as their only source and standard. Everything they do must come from the Bible. A true church must love one another and help one another, and uplift their members. A true church strives to share the message with their community. A true church does not lure people in with free pot-luck suppers and cook-outs, and Halloween Festivals and Wild Beast Feasts. A true church offers people salvation and the Word of God. Those are the markings of a true church.

may · Aug 9, 2006

Anade said:
The true church has elders, who oversee the flock, the congregation. They are learned men of good repute. A true church has several members who are willing to preach and teach the congregation. A true church uses the Bible as their only source and standard. Everything they do must come from the Bible. A true church must love one another and help one another, and uplift their members. A true church strives to share the message with their community. A true church does not lure people in with free pot-luck suppers and cook-outs, and Halloween Festivals and Wild Beast Feasts. A true church offers people salvation and the Word of God. Those are the markings of a true church.

yes i agree with all of that , but i would add that they are also no part of the world, they would not be involved with political things , they would be no part of it ,just like Jesus didnt take part.
They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.
(John 17:15, 16)
Jesus avoided the worlds politics. Although he was a Jew, he did not take sides in the political controversies between Rome and the Jews. and Jesus is our example to follow.

Tigress · Aug 9, 2006

Halcyon said:
So, to sum up your post, the true Church is;

1. Without hierarchy, no middlemen - the people should turn to God for instruction.

2. Everyone is equal in the eyes of God.

3. People should come to their own understanding of God and scripture, not rely on others opinion.

4. The true church is inclusivist.

Well, the true church is Gnosticism then.

Because all extant Christian denominations today stem from the orthodox Christianity of Ireneus - a Christianity of many bishops. A version of Christianity where God can only be found through the hierarchy of the church, talking of personal experience of God is heretical.

Actually, said description fits the unprogrammed Friends, as well.

Anade said:
The true church has elders, who oversee the flock, the congregation. They are learned men of good repute. A true church has several members who are willing to preach and teach the congregation.

Why?

adlemi · Aug 9, 2006

may said:
Jesus christ gave all of his followers this work to do , so it is Jesus command to all christians to be making known the kingdom and teaching others what Jesus taught them . even if people are not wanting to hear and close their ears , it makes no difference to christians , because it is for a witness, people can never say that they have not had the chance to learn about the Goodnews of the established heavenly kingdom. it is being made known on a world wide global scale , and it is Jehovahs witness who are making known the established heavenly kingdom , many things are happening in these the last days regarding bible prophecy and chronology ,we are living in thrilling times indeed. and Jesus wants the goodnews to be made known
(Mark 13:10) Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.......... then, according to the bible , Gods heavenly kingdom goverment will step into the affairs of humans, as Daniel 2;44 tells us
"And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; ............... yes notice it says ,(in the days of those kings) while manmade goverments are still ruling ,Gods heavenly goverment was established in 1914 in the heavens , and Jesus is waiting for the command from his father Jehovah to put all manmade goverments out of action.

No doubt that the apostles then directly received the teachings to be preached to all nations from the Lord Jesus Christ but man pastors of today just read the bible and established their own denomination using the name of God without permission granted to them by the Lord God himself. What's the big deal if the Lord Jesus Christ himself will be the Good Pastor and Teacher of all today so that those who will believe may arrive at the TRUTH?

adlemi · Aug 9, 2006

Anade said:
A true church uses the Bible as their only source and standard. Everything they do must come from the Bible. A true church offers people salvation and the Word of God. Those are the markings of a true church.

By whose authority and power are you speaking of these things and how did you get such authority and power?

adlemi · Aug 9, 2006

may said:
yes i agree with all of that , but i would add that they are also no part of the world, they would not be involved with political things , they would be no part of it ,just like Jesus didnt take part.
They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.
(John 17:15, 16)
Jesus avoided the worlds politics. Although he was a Jew, he did not take sides in the political controversies between Rome and the Jews. and Jesus is our example to follow.

God is alive and real and God is not the bible. God himself is the standard, the only source and final authority in all TRUTH but not the bible. God is the only Good Pastor and Teacher of all yesterday, today, and in the days to come but not the bible.

Halcyon · Aug 9, 2006

Tigress said:
Actually, said description fits the unprogrammed Friends, as well.

Yes, that's very true. If i were ever to limit myself to orthodox scripture, i'd go Quaker.

Anade said:
The true church has elders, who oversee the flock, the congregation. They are learned men of good repute.

And if those elders are incorrect in their understanding of the scripture and of God, they lead the whole congregation down the wrong path. Surely it is better to have an open church, where all the members can discuss scripture and theology and teach each other?

Anade said:
A true church has several members who are willing to preach and teach the congregation.

And if those members have it got it wrong, or are teaching from their own bias?

Anade said:
A true church uses the Bible as their only source and standard. Everything they do must come from the Bible.

Why? Does God limit Himself to a book now?
The canon wasn't even formed until the 4th century, it took all that time for a single sect to rise to prominence and eventually agree on a set of books - how is that authoritative? Heck, the Bible doesn't even include the Didache!

Anade said:
A true church must love one another and help one another, and uplift their members.

I agree.

Anade said:
A true church strives to share the message with their community.

If that community wants to listen.

Anade said:
A true church does not lure people in with free pot-luck suppers and cook-outs, and Halloween Festivals and Wild Beast Feasts.

How does having a good time as a community somehow make a church less "true"?

Anade said:
A true church offers people salvation and the Word of God.

You know a church that offers salvation?!

may · Aug 9, 2006

adlemi said:
God is alive and real and God is not the bible. God himself is the standard, the only source and final authority in all TRUTH but not the bible. God is the only Good Pastor and Teacher of all yesterday, today, and in the days to come but not the bible.

Gods standard is in the words of the bible. the inspired original words are like a letter from God to us . and that is where we learn about Jesus and what he taught.
All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. 2 timothy 3;16

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