Is The Trend Going to Last?

suncowiam said:

You didn't understand my comment.

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I think you are the one that didn't understand it.

Jeremiahcp said:

I think you are the one that didn't understand it.

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Let's back up.

It's early Sunday morning for me.

What I meant to say is.

I hope there are no more accusations because people stopped sexually abusing others. Obviously, that is very optimistic. I was more pointing out on the circular dependence of the OP.

Jeremiahcp said:

I agree, blaming the victims is a very slippery slope.

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So is trying to create an offense-free culture. Read Harrison Bergeron.

icehorse said:

So is trying to create an offense-free culture. Read Harrison Bergeron.

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Your meaning was clear to me.
(Harrison Bergeron is a movie too, albeit "made for TV". Great story.)

icehorse said:

So is trying to create an offense-free culture. Read Harrison Bergeron.

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I rather read something useful.

Sunstone said:

A number of prominent men who have been sexually abusive towards women have been outed in recent months -- often with largely unprecedented negative consequences to them. I'm wondering whether this is the beginning of a change in common morality towards such behavior and its perpetrators, or if this is just a passing thing -- and all too soon we'll be back to "normal"? What do you think?

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It's just a passing thing.

Males have been abusing females, sexually, since the dawn of time. And this recent spate of 'outing' is not going to change that.

Nor, however, should it ever be considered right or acceptable. And so we will need to keep having these moments of moral clarity, and of consequence, I hope.

Sunstone said:

A number of prominent men who have been sexually abusive towards women have been outed in recent months -- often with largely unprecedented negative consequences to them. I'm wondering whether this is the beginning of a change in common morality towards such behavior and its perpetrators, or if this is just a passing thing -- and all too soon we'll be back to "normal"? What do you think?

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Don't know. I wish it would happen in Islamic countries, and that abusive Muslim men in those nations would face unprecedented consequences of their abuse. I also wish western feminists would condemn Muslim men for their horrific abuses of women instead of giving them a free pass. True, there is misogyny and abuse of women in the West, and it absolutely needs to stop, but it pales in comparison to the abuse in Muslim nations, which is continually avoided in conversation by western feminists.

Jeremiahcp said:

I also highly doubt you have never held your breath. Since we are being so literal, you are an "anyone" are you not?

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The idiom is "I wouldn't hold my breath if I were You" or
"I wouldn't hold my breath" Or " I won't hold my Breath" or sum such variant.
Only an American would suggest " I won't hold your breath." which is an impossibility.

Terrywoodenpic said:

The idiom is "I wouldn't hold my breath if I were You" or
"I wouldn't hold my breath" Or " I won't hold my Breath" or sum such variant.
Only an American would suggest " I won't hold your breath." which is an impossibility.

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Fair enough point up to the American part, then it became racist.

Hubert Farnsworth said:

Don't know. I wish it would happen in Islamic countries, and that abusive Muslim men in those nations would face unprecedented consequences of their abuse. I also wish western feminists would condemn Muslim men for their horrific abuses of women instead of giving them a free pass. True, there is misogyny and abuse of women in the West, and it absolutely needs to stop, but it pales in comparison to the abuse in Muslim nations, which is continually avoided in conversation by western feminists.

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That is also a straw man. The issue is what to do about our culture.

Well if, and I say if, the attitude in the U.S. changes it is going to have to start with the young, and I mean those under 6 years old(or thereabout). To change their attitude it will require changing the attitude of the adults that influence them like their parents, those in the entertainment media and especially the mindset and reaction of those that are subject to the unwanted action. By the mindset I mean what they think of themselves, by the reaction I mean what is their physical reaction to such unwanted action.

Now read the following and answer truthfully. Is this somewhat an acceptance of male or female attitude toward possible harassment.
"I became that kind of touchy-feely (gender removed) that (name removed) appears to be, but I never molested or forced myself on any (gender removed). My (gender removed) was borne and raised in (country removed) and they're typically very much that way, and it rubbed off on me-- literally."

The interesting part of the above is the statement:
"but I never molested or forced myself on any(gender removed"
read as..."I'm a touchy-feely (gender removed) but I never molested or forced myself on a (gender removed)...however I don't know if they really objected and just didn't want to cause a scene or was afraid to say anything "

Terrywoodenpic said:

Only an American would suggest " I won't hold your breath." which is an impossibility.

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Not so....

Jeremiahcp said:

That is also a straw man. The issue is what to do about our culture.

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I already said that there is a problem with misogyny and abuse in our culture, and I absolutely agree it needs to stop. However, the real elephant in the room that western feminists continually refuse to address is the misogyny in Muslim countries. For instance, approximately 90% of women in Pakistan are domestically abused, if I recall correctly. Yet politically correct feminists insist that this abuse has "nothing to do with Islam" when in fact it has everything to do with Islam.

Hubert Farnsworth said:

I already said that there is a problem with misogyny and abuse in our culture, and I absolutely agree it needs to stop. However, the real elephant in the room that western feminists continually refuse to address is the misogyny in Muslim countries. For instance, approximately 90% of women in Pakistan are domestically abused, if I recall correctly. Yet politically correct feminists insist that this abuse has "nothing to do with Islam" when in fact it has everything to do with Islam.

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Straw man pushing.

Sunstone said:

A number of prominent men who have been sexually abusive towards women have been outed in recent months -- often with largely unprecedented negative consequences to them. I'm wondering whether this is the beginning of a change in common morality towards such behavior and its perpetrators, or if this is just a passing thing -- and all too soon we'll be back to "normal"? What do you think?

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It's probably just a passing fad triggered by Trump. No one (besides) hardcore republicans cared when Bill Clinton was being a perv, and that was only to have an excuse to go after impreachment. Just as no one really cares about what Trump or Weinstein or any other rich a-holes did, its just an excuse to go after them. Soon as Trump is impeached (if ever), things will go back to normal and be hushed silence of sexual diviancy so long as the deviant is apart of your movement, but it's ok to go after a political opponent because you now have the moral high ground!

If the "concern" about sexual harassment was sincere to begin with these issues would get addressed as soon as they happened instead of 5,10,15,20 years after the fact. Its all bullcrap because its not coming from principle, it comes from being able to use it as leverage.

Jeremiahcp said:

You do know what an idiom is, right?

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You apparently edited your post from "I won't hold your breath" to "I wouldn't hold your breath" (as seen in the quoted portion of post #6). The distinction is slight, to be sure, but obviously enough for you to change up once someone called you out with some sarcasm. The best part is you still tried to save face by repeatedly attacking the person who noticed - attempting to make what they were saying look foolish... all the while running around dripping your own brand of foolishness wherever you went. Classic.

You probably should have just owned up.

Enoch07 said:

It's probably just a passing fad triggered by Trump. No one (besides) hardcore republicans cared when Bill Clinton was being a perv, and that was only to have an excuse to go after impreachment. Just as no one really cares about what Trump or Weinstein or any other rich a-holes did, its just an excuse to go after them. Soon as Trump is impeached (if ever), things will go back to normal and be hushed silence of sexual diviancy so long as the deviant is apart of your movement, but it's ok to go after a political opponent because you now have the moral high ground!

If the "concern" about sexual harassment was sincere to begin with these issues would get addressed as soon as they happened instead of 5,10,15,20 years after the fact. Its all bullcrap because its not coming from principle, it comes from being able to use it as leverage.

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You do realize that even the Democrats are still arguing about Bill Clinton, and the Republicans have definitely not stopped complaining about him.

A Vestigial Mote said:

You apparently edited your post from "I won't hold your breath" to "I wouldn't hold your breath" (as seen in the quoted portion of post #6). The distinction is slight, to be sure, but obviously enough for you to change up once someone called you out with some sarcasm. The best part is you still tried to save face by repeatedly attacking the person who noticed - attempting to make what they were saying look foolish... all the while running around dripping your own brand of foolishness wherever you went. Classic.

You probably should have just owned up.

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Of course I edited it. I told him he had a fair point just a few posts up. If I think he made a fair point then of course I need to go back and edit it.

Now let's see if @A Vestigial Mote can own up to his error after that high and mighty speech.

esmith said:

Well if, and I say if, the attitude in the U.S. changes it is going to have to start with the young, and I mean those under 6 years old(or thereabout). To change their attitude it will require changing the attitude of the adults that influence them like their parents, those in the entertainment media and especially the mindset and reaction of those that are subject to the unwanted action. By the mindset I mean what they think of themselves, by the reaction I mean what is their physical reaction to such unwanted action.

Now read the following and answer truthfully. Is this somewhat an acceptance of male or female attitude toward possible harassment.
I became that kind of touchy-feely (gender removed) that (name removed) appears to be, but I never molested or forced myself on any (gender removed). My (gender removed) was borne and raised in Italy and they're typically very much that way, and it rubbed off on me-- literally.

The interesting part of the above is the statement:
"but I never molested or forced myself on any women"
read as..."I'm a touchy-feely (gender removed) but I never molested or forced myself on a (gender removed)...however I don't know if they really objected and just didn't say anything"

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Voting for someone who grabs women by the . . . . is undoubtedly sending the wrong message to our children.