Two Deaths in Christianity

Fool · Nov 7, 2017

What are the two deaths being referred to in revelation?

And can Christ come to those who have experienced the second death?

1st Death
Revelation 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

2nd Death
Revelation 2:11
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

savagewind · Nov 7, 2017

The first death is the natural death. The second death confirms the first one.

PureX · Nov 7, 2017

Fool said:
What are the two deaths being referred to in revelation?

And can Christ come to those who have experienced the second death?

I give little credence to Revelations, as it's basically a rant against Rome buried in metaphor and symbolism so that the authors and readers won't be caught out and punished. Very little of it means what modern day readers think it means.

Also, through my personal experience I have found that the more a "Christian" wallows in and quotes Revelations, the more twisted up his heart and mind tends to be.

savagewind · Nov 7, 2017

PureX said:
so that the authors and readers won't be caught out and punished.

I can't agree with that. Revelation 21:8

crossfire · Nov 7, 2017

The Lake of Fire is also featured in the Egyptian Book of the Dead.

Fool · Nov 7, 2017

savagewind said:
The first death is the natural death. The second death confirms the first one.

so how does christ come to those that have died a natural death?

Fool · Nov 7, 2017

crossfire said:
The Lake of Fire is also featured in the Egyptian Book of the Dead.

agreed, our god is a consuming fire.

so gehenna was also a place where trash was destroyed.

so could hell be like a place where attachments are removed? where the personality is cauterized from the spirit, or cremated?? a consciousness is rid of it's form of burden?

Malachi 3:3
And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness.

savagewind · Nov 7, 2017

Fool said:
so how does christ come to those that have died a natural death?

A resurrection, I suppose. I can see that it is possible. If he is to die again, it is still natural, imo.

Fool · Nov 7, 2017

savagewind said:
A resurrection, I suppose. I can see that it is possible. If he is to die again, it is still natural, imo.

but what about the dead that bury the dead? are they naturally dead?

savagewind · Nov 7, 2017

Fool said:
but what about the dead that bury the dead? are they naturally dead?

Good question! They are dead respecting their potentiality to live again.
God knows a person's beginning and his end.
So, God is aware when a person is on to life or going to the death.

Fool · Nov 7, 2017

savagewind said:
Good question! They are dead respecting their potentiality to live again.
God knows a person's beginning and his end.
So, God is aware when a person is on to life or going to the death.

is it possible to wake up to everlasting life or eternal death/destruction before the natural death?

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth( carnal body), shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting antipathy/hostility?

can a person change their mind after a natural death?

savagewind · Nov 7, 2017

Fool said:
then is it possible like waking up to everlasting life or eternal death/destruction?

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting antipathy/hostility?

can a person change their mind after a natural death?

Oh, yes, definitely! IMO.

savagewind · Nov 7, 2017

A person's mind can not be changed after the second death.

savagewind · Nov 7, 2017

If a person is aware of death number two but lives anyway he likes expecting a second chance, he is dead. He has chosen the second death by default.

shunyadragon · Nov 7, 2017

PureX said:
I give little credence to Revelations, as it's basically a rant against Rome buried in metaphor and symbolism so that the authors and readers won't be caught out and punished. Very little of it means what modern day readers think it means.

Also, through my personal experience I have found that the more a "Christian" wallows in and quotes Revelations, the more twisted up his heart and mind tends to be.

One of several written at that time.

Kelly of the Phoenix · Nov 7, 2017

Fool said:
And can Christ come to those who have experienced the second death?

I guess if you can die twice you can die lots of times. Depends on how many lives and continues you still have, of course.

crossfire · Nov 7, 2017

Fool said:
agreed, our god is a consuming fire.

so gehenna was also a place where trash was destroyed.

so could hell be like a place where attachments are removed? where the personality is cauterized from the spirit, or cremated?? a consciousness is rid of it's form of burden?

Interesting how you used the word "attachment" there. In Buddhism, the word translated as "attachment/clinging" refers to how fire clings to its fuel as it burns, and is closely associated with the word translated as "craving." {Fiery craving & clinging to the fuel points towards addiction, and nirvana means "blowing out" (the fire of addiction.)}

Fool · Nov 7, 2017

Kelly of the Phoenix said:
I guess if you can die twice you can die lots of times. Depends on how many lives and continues you still have, of course.

but if they cannot accept the possibility of eternal/everlasting life as a continuum of states of matter, isn't that consciousness basically dead, or eternally dead/latent; if it believes that it can't exist any further after releasing the form?

Fool · Nov 7, 2017

crossfire said:
Interesting how you used the word "attachment" there. In Buddhism, the word translated as "attachment/clinging" refers to how fire clings to its fuel as it burns, and is closely associated with the word translated as "craving." {Fiery craving & clinging to the fuel points towards addiction, and nirvana means "blowing out" (the fire of addiction.)}

if we aren't in nirvana, paradise, are we then in some conflict of duality, or divisive towards self, or others as self?

Fool · Nov 7, 2017

savagewind said:
If a person is aware of death number two but lives anyway he likes expecting a second chance, he is dead. He has chosen the second death by default.

christ is imminent, is NOW.

rev10:6
And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay!

For the Son of Man in his day will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other.

time 2:29-3:29, 3:36 - 4:00 and finally 6:13 - 30

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