The Second Coming of Christ

Fool · Nov 3, 2017

Is the 2nd coming of Christ, the realization of the Spirit of God? Because I AM that i am omnipresent as the Self in selves? the knowing of self?

1 Corinthians 3:16
Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?

Ephesians 2:22
And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

Altfish · Nov 3, 2017

I'm showing my ignorance here but doesn't the 2nd coming of JC coincide with the end of the world?

Because there have been so many previous predictions that have failed to come true...
List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events - Wikipedia

They seem to be coming thick and fast at the moment; Pat Robertson, Harold Camping included.

Fool · Nov 3, 2017

Altfish said:
I'm showing my ignorance here but doesn't the 2nd coming of JC coincide with the end of the world?

Because there have been so many previous predictions that have failed to come true...
List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events - Wikipedia

They seem to be coming thick and fast at the moment; Pat Robertson, Harold Camping included.

apocalypse = revelation = to uncover = reveal = to see = to make naked

see? understand?

what's old is new again, fashion never goes out of style

1 Corinthians 15:52
in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead(spiritually ignorant) will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

Isaiah 65:17
[ New Heavens and a New Earth ] “See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.

Revelation 21:1
[ A New Heaven and a New Earth ] Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heavenand the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

Altfish · Nov 3, 2017

Fool said:
apocalypse = revelation = to uncover = reveal = to see = to make naked

see? understand?

Not really??

Fool said:
what's old is new again, fashion never goes out of style

1 Corinthians 15:52
in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead(spiritually ignorant) will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

Isaiah 65:17
[ New Heavens and a New Earth ] “See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.

Revelation 21:1
[ A New Heaven and a New Earth ] Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heavenand the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

I've said this many times, but I'll repeat, to an atheists, Bible verses are a total waste of time. Would you be impressed if I quoted Harry Potter or Richard Dawkins?

Fool · Nov 3, 2017

Altfish said:
Not really??

its the difference between taking something literal vs possibly being figuratively, metaphorically.

what ever floats your boat. doesn't literally require a boat that floats. a person can figuratively be like a boat, like a person can be like a bookworm. it's a state of m-i-n-d.

some people are not physically blind but they can be cognitively blind, or have cognitive dissonance.

Altfish said:
I've said this many times, but I'll repeat, to an atheists, Bible verses are a total waste of time. Would you be impressed if I quoted Harry Potter or Richard Dawkins?

i don't speak french but when translated into words, or concepts i do understand, it conveys an idea. speaking french isn't a waste of time. its a language wasted on someone who isn't interested in understanding what it may be conveying.

like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. another belief system's dismissive self-aggrandizing to another way of arriving at the "heart" of expressing love.

Fool · Nov 3, 2017

there is something there; otherwise it wouldn't attract millions of people to it. what is the underlying attraction? how much bathwater, erosion occurs before the reveal?

how deep is our love?

How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
I love thee to the depth and breadth and height
My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight
For the ends of being and ideal grace.
I love thee to the level of every day’s
Most quiet need, by sun and candle-light.
I love thee freely, as men strive for right.
I love thee purely, as they turn from praise.
I love thee with the passion put to use
In my old griefs, and with my childhood’s faith.
I love thee with a love I seemed to lose
With my lost saints. I love thee with the breath,
Smiles, tears, of all my life; and, if God choose,
I shall but love thee better after death. - Elizabeth Barrett Browning

Altfish · Nov 3, 2017

Fool said:
its the difference between taking something literal vs possibly being figuratively, metaphorically.

what ever floats your boat. doesn't literally require a boat that floats. a person can figuratively be like a boat, like a person can be like a bookworm. it's a state of m-i-n-d.

some people are not physically blind but they can be cognitively blind, or have cognitive dissonance.

Oh, right, still not a clue what you are trying to say.??
It appears to be that because I don't accept god, I'm losing out...but that might be the wrong interpretation.

Fool said:
i don't speak french but when translated into words, or concepts i do understand, it conveys an idea. speaking french isn't a waste of time. its a language wasted on someone who isn't interested in understanding what it may be conveying.

like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. another belief system's dismissive self-aggrandizing to another way of arriving at the "heart" of expressing love.

Oh, I agree.
But when the quotes you use talk of heaven, the dead being raised and a second earth, it is hardly likely to convince someone who thinks those are man-made constructs.
Atheism isn't a belief system btw. It is a non-belief system.

DavidFirth · Nov 3, 2017

Fool said:
Is the 2nd coming of Christ, the realization of the Spirit of God? Because I AM that i am omnipresent as the Self in selves? the knowing of self?

1 Corinthians 3:16
Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?

Ephesians 2:22
And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

Read the book of Revelation. That is about as close as you are going to get to a good answer to your question.

Fool · Nov 3, 2017

Altfish said:
Oh, right, still not a clue what you are trying to say.??
It appears to be that because I don't accept god, I'm losing out...but that might be the wrong interpretation.

i'm saying that if a person sieves anything through the mind of a human, they're not going to get anything out of it by refusing to choose anything from it. it isn't inherently good/bad, but subjective to the mind that labeled it so.

Altfish said:
Oh, I agree.
But when the quotes you use talk of heaven, the dead being raised and a second earth, it is hardly likely to convince someone who thinks those are man-made constructs.
Atheism isn't a belief system btw. It is a non-belief system.

in order not to have a belief system a person would have to know everything, the ABSOLUTE truth and be without any positive or negative beliefs. there is no such human.

atheism is a non-god belief system that has a suffix of "ism"; which identifies a doctrine, philosophy, system........

we're all human and atheists aren't special, anymore than theists are special.

the prefix of a word doesn't exclude the suffix

Fool · Nov 3, 2017

DavidFirth said:
Read the book of Revelation. That is about as close as you are going to get to a good answer to your question.

i've read it many times. thus the title of this thread and the reason i don't identify as exclusively christian.

colossians 3:11

Altfish · Nov 3, 2017

Fool said:
i'm saying that if a person sieves anything through the mind of a human, they're not going to get anything out of it by refusing to choose anything from it. it isn't inherently good/bad, but subjective to the mind that labeled it so./QUOTE]
OK.

Fool said:

in order not to have a belief system a person would have to know everything, the ABSOLUTE truth and be without any positive or negative beliefs. there is no such human.

atheism is a non-god belief system that has a suffix of "ism"; which identifies a doctrine, philosophy, system........

we're all human and atheists aren't special, anymore than theists are special.

the prefix of a word doesn't exclude the suffix

Click to expand...

It is the word 'Belief' I object to.
Is not collecting stamps a hobby?
I agree that is the dictionary definition of an 'ism' but apart from rejection of an existence of a higher power, what doctrines does atheism define?
I don't think I've ever claimed that atheism is special - unlike some religions.
I don't think I ever claimed the "prefix of a word excludes the suffix"

DavidFirth · Nov 3, 2017

Fool said:
i've read it many times. thus the title of this thread and the reason i don't identify as exclusively christian.

colossians 3:11

Revelation provides all the information you need to know.

Profound Realization · Nov 3, 2017

Altfish said:
I'm showing my ignorance here but doesn't the 2nd coming of JC coincide with the end of the world?

Because there have been so many previous predictions that have failed to come true...
List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events - Wikipedia

They seem to be coming thick and fast at the moment; Pat Robertson, Harold Camping included.

End of world can be perceived alternatively: death/end of self/mental worldview.

Rational Agnostic · Nov 6, 2017

Altfish said:
Not really??

I've said this many times, but I'll repeat, to an atheists, Bible verses are a total waste of time. Would you be impressed if I quoted Harry Potter or Richard Dawkins?

Poor analogy. Harry Potter is a fictional character. Richard Dawkins is a brilliant scientist who writes factual books.

Altfish · Nov 7, 2017

Hubert Farnsworth said:
Poor analogy. Harry Potter is a fictional character. Richard Dawkins is a brilliant scientist who writes factual books.

But, I think the bible is fictional and many believers think it is a factual book. So it ticks both boxes.

Muffled · Nov 7, 2017

Fool said:
Is the 2nd coming of Christ, the realization of the Spirit of God? Because I AM that i am omnipresent as the Self in selves? the knowing of self?

1 Corinthians 3:16
Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?

Ephesians 2:22
And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

I believe not.

Muffled · Nov 7, 2017

Altfish said:
I'm showing my ignorance here but doesn't the 2nd coming of JC coincide with the end of the world?

Because there have been so many previous predictions that have failed to come true...
List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events - Wikipedia

They seem to be coming thick and fast at the moment; Pat Robertson, Harold Camping included.

I believe so.

Muffled · Nov 7, 2017

Profound Realization said:
End of world can be perceived alternatively: death/end of self/mental worldview.

I believe this is simply a burning of fire and a great earthquake most likely unleashing a whole string of volcanoes. Shake up the cracks in the earth and the fire comes out.

Fool · Nov 7, 2017

Muffled said:
I believe this is simply a burning of fire and a great earthquake most likely unleashing a whole string of volcanoes. Shake up the cracks in the earth and the fire comes out.

works the same way for the microcosm

Has not my hand made all these things, and so they came into being?" declares the LORD. "These are the ones I look on with favor: those who are humble and contrite in spirit, and who tremble at my word.

Revelation 11:5
If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die.

InvestigateTruth · Nov 7, 2017

Fool said:
Is the 2nd coming of Christ, the realization of the Spirit of God? Because I AM that i am omnipresent as the Self in selves? the knowing of self?

1 Corinthians 3:16
Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?

Ephesians 2:22
And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

If you are speaking of Return of Christ based on Scriptures, He has certain mission and goals to fulfil at the time of return.
For instance, He would make all things new:

And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” Revelation 21:5

He would open the Seal of the Book of God, so everyone may understand it:

Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals." Revelation 5:5

Any many other things as described in the Bible.

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