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If, it was proven beyond all doubt that a god existed. Would you worship it?
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Faithofchristian
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First of all, a person would have to prove that God doesn't exist or exist.
Where's the proof. No one has died for a long period of time and came back to give proof.
Of course there are those who will say, when you die, You die nothing more.
But the question is, As for those people how do you this for sure, When in fact no one has died for a period of time like two weeks or a year, and came back to give witness.
So we have nothing of any proof.
The only thing a person does have, is when they die and cross over into the Unknown.
But no one has come back to give witness. We have what people call near death experience. But nothing of a person being dead for two or more weeks or a year that has come back?
So the Unknown stands there.without any proof of what lays on the other side.
Let's for say, that after a person dies and cross over into the Unknown and there is no God, Ok so they haven't lost nothing.
Now let's for say, that after a person dies and cross over into the Unknown and find there is God. Now they lost everything.
Because they denied God in their life time, Now God has every right to deny them.
All a person is doing is playing Russian roulette with their life.
What's your chances of flipping a coin 1time or 2 times or 3 times and having it come up heads every time?
Not very good.
Where's the proof. No one has died for a long period of time and came back to give proof.
Of course there are those who will say, when you die, You die nothing more.
But the question is, As for those people how do you this for sure, When in fact no one has died for a period of time like two weeks or a year, and came back to give witness.
So we have nothing of any proof.
The only thing a person does have, is when they die and cross over into the Unknown.
But no one has come back to give witness. We have what people call near death experience. But nothing of a person being dead for two or more weeks or a year that has come back?
So the Unknown stands there.without any proof of what lays on the other side.
Let's for say, that after a person dies and cross over into the Unknown and there is no God, Ok so they haven't lost nothing.
Now let's for say, that after a person dies and cross over into the Unknown and find there is God. Now they lost everything.
Because they denied God in their life time, Now God has every right to deny them.
All a person is doing is playing Russian roulette with their life.
What's your chances of flipping a coin 1time or 2 times or 3 times and having it come up heads every time?
Not very good.
Club Tropícana
New Member
I am an atheist I don't say a god doesnt exist I just don't have enough sufficient evidence to believe that he does. I can't prove that the flying spaghetti monster or that pixies and fairies don't exist either but do I have any reason whatsoever to believe they do? No I do not and it's the same with the god claim.
We have VERY good reasons to believe that once you die you lose all consciousness and no longer exist. Do we know this as an absolute certainty? No, but we have reached a point in our understanding of neurology now where we can demonstrate that the mind and the brain are the same thing. If you receive a head injury and it causes sufficient damage to your brain in certain areas your personality will change. We can actually detect thoughts as they happen in the brain using neuroimaging devices. We also have examples of people having the nerves connecting the left and the right hemispheres of the brain severed and it creating essentially two different people in one skull. You end up with one person who identifies as an atheist and the other who identifies as a Christian for example. When they die which one of the two people go to heaven? Does the new atheist person go to hell? Your brain is a biological computer compromised of 100 billion neurons all working to form your thoughts, memories, emotions, personality and every other aspect of your life. We have absolutely no reason at all to believe that consciousness exists independently of the brain.
What you're talking about regarding the risk taking nature of being an atheist is called Pascal's wager.
Pascal's Wager - Iron Chariots Wiki
Have a read of that and see what is wrong with that way of thinking.
Silverscale derg
Active Member
I follow a different path. I do know most of the gods exist, the "god" of the bible as well as the gods/goddesses of nature exist too. To me I worship the ones who made the world. The dragon gods of spirit, earth, air, fire, and water though billions of years made the earth, carefully crafted the species...but then "god" of the bible came and made humans to destroy it. Humans kill everything they don't know of instead of seeking peace. The gods aren't greedy unlike the one of the bible which is super cocky saying he's "all knowing" and "all powerful" and says to worship him because he's the only one but he's a liar. You don't have to get down on your knees to give thanks.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Where's your proof that after a person dies they no longer exist, how do you know this to be certain.without any actual proof.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
In seeing you have no idea what Pascal's Wager is or how it came about and who Pascal's Wager was referring to
First Pascal was a French man who lived in 1623-62, Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exist and seek to believe in God by eternity in heaven and avoid eternity in hell.
Pascal's Wager was for Christians to fortify the Christian belief in God.
Therefore your bringing Pascal's Wager to me, is for me to Wager everything that God does exist to spend eternity in heaven and avoid eternity in hell.
When your laying there in your bed, dieing and the Unknown stands there looking you in the face and your face with what's next?
Not even the world of scientist can not prove if there is life after death or there isn't life after death.
So what do you have that the world of scientist do not have.
I'm sure they would like to question you, as to where you get your information from.
Since they themselves have no proof whether there is life or isn't life after death.
Therefore when your laying there dieing and the unknown stands there looking you in the face, Ask yourself What's Next?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe it wouldn't really be worship if all we were doing was parroting words that were given to us.
Isn't there a difference in 'parroting and obeying' because I find to obey God's standards of right and wrong, or good and bad, is in everyone's best interest. Is there any Law against the words of the Golden Rule.
From reading the Bible I find that Jesus agrees with the ^ above ^ about death because Jesus taught 'sleep ' in death as recorded at John 1:11-14. Jesus was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures as found at Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5 which also teach an un-conscious sleep-like state in death. So, I can agree that consciousness does Not exist independently of the mind and brain. The dead know nothing. That to me is why Jesus taught 'resurrection', and did Not teach 'afterlife' ( being more alive at death than before death ).
In a nut shell, ALL the resurrections that Jesus performed were restoring people back to healthy physical life on Earth. True, Jesus did make a provision for some (Luke 22:28-30) to govern in heaven with him, but the majority of mankind to later be awakened from death's sleep during what is called the thousand-year rule of Christ over Earth.
That is why we see the ' future tense ' used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.
The false afterlife teaching happens at the time of death, whereas biblical resurrection will take place during Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth in righteousness.
Please keep the ^ above ^ in mind that since the 'dead know nothing' then ' biblical hell ' is just the temporary grave for the sleeping dead and definitely Not a burning place.
I find it's God's memory or His Book of Life involved which shows that being removed or erased from His Book of Life indicates a No longer existence for that person. Such as the people of Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6 because they would be classed with the wicked who will be ' destroyed forever ' as per Psalms 92:7. Destroyed forever as in being annihilated or gone forever.
No further nor future life anywhere for the wicked.
I don't believe in worshipping anyone or anything, including any god.