Many Christians belief that Jesus is literally God incarnate though. That's what it says in
John 1:1-3 and many Christians takes these words literally.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
So Jesus was the Word, He was not only with God, but He was God, and He was the Creator.
I and my Father are one.
John 10:30
Why do people always use these verses to prove jesus is god?
Jesus is called the Word because he is the incarnation of his father's
message to the jews and gentiles. The message was the salvation of god/father's people through the life, death, and resurrection of his son. It's also a play on words. Word (divine message; caps) compared to words, like that of scripture.
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
Matthew 4:4
The Word
became flesh and made his dwelling
among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came
from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:14
Prepositions are helpful as well as conjunctions help with differentiating the father and the son.
As a result of being the incarnation of his father's message, whatever christ says is what the creator says. It's simple logistics. You have a sender. You have a messenger. You have an audience. What connects the sender to the messenger is a
shared divinity; that is what makes the two One (another play on words; aka metaphor).
If my mother told me to tell you to take out the trash, that message is not from me, it is from my mother. Because I am her daughter, I have a relationship with my mother. Given we are connected by blood, we are One.
Somewhere on RF I listed sooo many scriptures on this that no one even rebutted me on any of it. Always happens.
If Jesus was not God the Creator, how could He rise from the dead and rise to the heavens? For according to Christian belief, Jesus is not only the Son, but God incarnate, because the Son and the Father are One.
Because the father rose him to sit at his right side (not his own right side).
1 Corinthians 6:14 Now God has not only raised the Lord, but will also raise us up through His power.
Ephesians 1:20 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,
I honestly don't make this up. I actually remember these things I studied but don't have the brain energy to remember the verses. I was never a fundy in my Catholic days.
That is not what you and I believe, but it is what many of the Christians believe.
The christian teaching is the father/creator sent his son/human to be incarnation of his/father's Word/oral dictations of salvation. Once the Word/oral dictations became flesh/christ, then his/creator's message can "walk among the people" and actually interact with them. So, in that interaction, the incarnation/the creator's word, was one with the person who sent the word thereby whoever is saved in christ is forgiven by the father/creator.
As for what individual christians believe. I live among a lot and I mean a lot of christians. They just finished having Korean bible service and singing just a moment ago in the party room, actually. When christians say jesus is god, they are talking about his divinity in perfection.
I took that message on board about 6 months ago, thanks to Vinayaka.
Haha. Just reminding you.
A human incarnation? Not a Divine incarnation? I though Krishna was God! How can that be?
Krishna is god. I just don't see how being an incarnation makes god any different. What new message does god bring all because he becomes an incarnation of himself? (going by bahai logic)
Whenever there is a decline in righteousness, O Bharat, and the rise of irreligion, it is then that I send forth My spirit. For the salvation of the good, the destruction of the evil-doers, and for firmly establishing righteousness, I manifest myself from age to age.
Sorry. You have to get
@Vinayaka to confirm validity of that. In my
opinion just by reading it, sounds
edit Krishna was an incarnation of Vishnu so that Krishna can bring destruction of the evil-doers.
But then again, words like "evil-doers" and "destruction" have different meanings in Hinduism than it does in Abrahamic view. I mean, The Buddha's suttas use the word sin but the sin, in buddhism, doesn't mean going against god. It just means wrong doing or more, um, there is a better word just can't think of it right now.
Answer the question how could John the Baptist be Elijah when Elijah had died centuries before and you that might help.
How can the spirit of christ come down when
christ is already here? Is what I asked. Elijah is not here. That's the difference.
Sure, but Christians believe it, and we are not Christians. Their belief must be true, right?
When I was at the Church, the only god I knew was christ in the Eucharist. How I understood it was the divinity of god/holy spirit came upon the bread/life and wine/blood sacrifice to bring present people in christ. When people come together in Christ to celebrate the Eucharist, it makes god/creator present by his spirit/which is holy.
That, I know is true.
As far as god/father being a separate
being; now, that, I do not believe.
According to the Christians It was Christ in His entirety that rose, body, spirit and everything else, and that is what will return.
Yes, body's can raise by the power of god. *Cough* *Cough* You didn't hear that from me. Yes, that's what Christians believe. We have our different
opinions but to present our opinions/beliefs as facts and try to defend it by using other people's scriptures is, well, rude.
Not our belief, but the Christian belief. Same deal for Krishna being the incarnation of God.
"God" is used for god of abraham. Vishnu is the incarnation of Brahma. Totally different god.
