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If, it was proven beyond all doubt that a god existed. Would you worship it?

Jesster

Friendly skeptic
Premium Member
Yes, I do think free will is good for me and everyone, as we are free to worship God, or free Not to worship God/gods.
The choice is ours to make, thus we are the ones responsible for one's own actions.
And I chose at the start of this thread to not worship. I'm not sure why this is still a discussion. You seem to be agreeing with my ability and right to make that choice and judgement.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
And I chose at the start of this thread to not worship. I'm not sure why this is still a discussion. You seem to be agreeing with my ability and right to make that choice and judgement.

Yes, I agree because that is what the Bible really teaches me, that we all voluntary choose our choices.
I'm Not here to make judgements about another, but just to say the Bible is offering everlasting life for most people, and that the time is coming when there will be 'everlasting life on Earth' for those who agree with God's judgement standards. No one is forced or made to worship/obey what the Bible teaches, including about choice and judgement.
 

Jesster

Friendly skeptic
Premium Member
Yes, I agree because that is what the Bible really teaches me, that we all voluntary choose our choices.
I'm Not here to make judgements about another, but just to say the Bible is offering everlasting life for most people, and that the time is coming when there will be 'everlasting life on Earth' for those who agree with God's judgement standards. No one is forced or made to worship/obey what the Bible teaches, including about choice and judgement.
If that's what you want to believe, I can't stop you.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
If that's what you want to believe, I can't stop you.

I agree, No one nor anything can stop what a person believes, only the person himself can do that.
Trouble-filled religion might make it look as if God or Scripture is wrong, but what is wrong is trouble-filled religion.
Trouble-filled religion is showing that God does exist because it was foretold that such trouble would exist in the religious realm before we would see world wide Peace on Earth among person's of goodwill.
 

Jesster

Friendly skeptic
Premium Member
I agree, No one nor anything can stop what a person believes, only the person himself can do that.
Trouble-filled religion might make it look as if God or Scripture is wrong, but what is wrong is trouble-filled religion.
Trouble-filled religion is showing that God does exist because it was foretold that such trouble would exist in the religious realm before we would see world wide Peace on Earth among person's of goodwill.
I don't really believe that any god does exist, but that's going off topic. What's important is that if the Christian God (which I am assuming goes along with your beliefs based on context) does exist, I would want nothing to do with it, much less worship it. I've also read your book.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I don't really believe that any god does exist, but that's going off topic. What's important is that if the Christian God (which I am assuming goes along with your beliefs based on context) does exist, I would want nothing to do with it, much less worship it. I've also read your book.

You're Not alone in Not wanting anything to do with God ( the God of Jesus or otherwise ) but to me the Not wanting does Not change the world scene today as described at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 that we are in the last days of badness on Earth before the wicked will be destroyed as per Psalms 92:7.

I find the Bible is Not just a book to read as a novel is read, but read or studied by subject or topic arrangement.
That is because the Bible is Not written in ABC order as is a dictionary. So, by taking one topic or one subject at a time I see the cross-reference corresponding verses and passages thus showing the internal harmony among its many writers which accurately leads us up to our day or time frame before we will see Peace on Earth.
 

Jesster

Friendly skeptic
Premium Member
You're Not alone in Not wanting anything to do with God ( the God of Jesus or otherwise ) but to me the Not wanting does Not change the world scene today as described at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 that we are in the last days of badness on Earth before the wicked will be destroyed as per Psalms 92:7.

I find the Bible is Not just a book to read as a novel is read, but read or studied by subject or topic arrangement.
That is because the Bible is Not written in ABC order as is a dictionary. So, by taking one topic or one subject at a time I see the cross-reference corresponding verses and passages thus showing the internal harmony among its many writers which accurately leads us up to our day or time frame before we will see Peace on Earth.
Okay. I don't believe that your bible is a valid source of truth, so telling me all about it (even though I have read and studied it) doesn't really make me care.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Okay. I don't believe that your bible is a valid source of truth, so telling me all about it (even though I have read and studied it) doesn't really make me care.
You're wasting your time with this one. Best to ignore him as he might as well be a Bible spam bot. He just uses people's posts as a springboard for his preaching. He doesn't have actual discussions with anyone.
 

Jesster

Friendly skeptic
Premium Member
You're wasting your time with this one. Best to ignore him as he might as well be a Bible spam bot. He just uses people's posts as a springboard for his preaching. He doesn't have actual discussions with anyone.
It would be fine if it were on-topic. It keeps drifting off though.
 

Club Tropícana

New Member
As an atheist I think this is highly unlikely but for this thought experiment, let's assume that a god has revealed themselves to the world.

Now would you worship it?

I couldn't bring myself to do so; I'd be happy to say thanks for what I have but regularly get on my knees and give thanks, NO!

Thoughts.
Yes I would, I'd like to spend an eternity with my loved ones.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Okay. I don't believe that your bible is a valid source of truth, so telling me all about it (even though I have read and studied it) doesn't really make me care.

It does Not have to be my goal or job to make you care, I am merely posting what the Bible really teaches.
I think we do have common ground with the Bible in that we believe we have free-will choices.
Jesus believed that Scripture is 'religious truth' according to John 17:17 and I base my beliefs on his teachings.
So, what you said makes me think that the words of Jesus are Not religious truth to you.
I do care about what you think because I believe that a day of reckoning is near at hand in which Jesus, as judge, will decide who are figurative humble 'sheep'-like ones or not. I would Not like if you find yourself against him.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Yes I would, I'd like to spend an eternity with my loved ones.

... and if your desire is to be here on Earth with loved ones, then it would seem you are called to be part of the humble meek people who will inherit the Earth. Those who are Not called to heaven can have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to life on Earth. That will take place when Jesus starts his 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth.
That is also why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......

In the meantime, those of us still alive on Earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth of Matthew 25:31-33,37 can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth starting with calendar Day One of Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth when even 'enemy death' will be No more on Earth as per 1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8.
This is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
No, we don't seem to have common ground.

If there is No common ground then it would seem you don't think we have free-will choices as I mentioned.
That is the common ground that I mentioned that we both have free-will thinking and choices.
I like living on Earth and look forward to staying on Earth.
 

Jesster

Friendly skeptic
Premium Member
If there is No common ground then it would seem you don't think we have free-will choices as I mentioned.
That is the common ground that I mentioned that we both have free-will thinking and choices.
I like living on Earth and look forward to staying on Earth.
No, you said it had something to do with the bible. That book does not describe any of my beliefs.

Hm. Ignore list in one more off-topic post. I don't care much for proselytizing.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
No, you said it had something to do with the bible. That book does not describe any of my beliefs.
Hm. Ignore list in one more off-topic post. I don't care much for proselytizing.

Where does it describe that we do Not have free-will choices. I am Not trying to convert you.
 

Club Tropícana

New Member
... and if your desire is to be here on Earth with loved ones, then it would seem you are called to be part of the humble meek people who will inherit the Earth. Those who are Not called to heaven can have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to life on Earth. That will take place when Jesus starts his 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth.
That is also why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......

In the meantime, those of us still alive on Earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth of Matthew 25:31-33,37 can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth starting with calendar Day One of Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth when even 'enemy death' will be No more on Earth as per 1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8.
This is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come.
I don't have any reason to believe a god exists or to recognise the Bible as a truth source.
 
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