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URAVIP2ME

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Raelism tries to save the earth and promotes science. It combines all religions and focuses people on trying hard. There is no God. There is no evolution. It fits in.

To 'save the earth' sounds more like Earth-Day worship to me. ( problem too BIG for mankind to solve )
I find Jesus and his 1st-century followers Not only tried hard but taught others to do the same.
We should all try hard at living by the Golden Rule, and try hard at Jesus' NEW command at John 13:34-35 to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.
 

URAVIP2ME

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Just because something is written doesn't make it true,otherwise writings about other religions,some with multiple gods have equaL credence but at the end of t h e day its faith not credentials Imo.

Of course I agree that just because something is written down does Not make it true.
There are many things written about the Bible and even about angels that are fiction stories and novels.
That does Not make the Bible as wrong, but just makes the wrong stories as wrong.
Unlike other religious books the Bible being written over a thousand years has corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses and passages that harmonize with each other.
Jesus could Not have chosen the time and place of his birth as recorded in Scripture, etc.
What other writings with multiple gods have equal credence.
At the end of the day, or the coming 'time of separation' to take place on Earth, people who are counted as righteous that is their credentials, and will be left standing to be part of Jesus' coming millennium-long day of governing over Earth in righteousness.
 

robocop (actually)

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To 'save the earth' sounds more like Earth-Day worship to me. ( problem too BIG for mankind to solve )
I find Jesus and his 1st-century followers Not only tried hard but taught others to do the same.
We should all try hard at living by the Golden Rule, and try hard at Jesus' NEW command at John 13:34-35 to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.
They have their work cut out for then saving the earth. All religions "tried hard" to get going. Love is certainly the biggest missing ingredient, and peacefulness nonviolence and non-aggressiveness are important.
 
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Silverscale derg

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Mine is personal, I am a therian and I am a follower of the pagan path. No not Wiccan but pagan. I prefer the old term to the new. I'm damn proud of it. Sure I don't follow most of the human variations but my own Draconian version
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
They have their work cut out for then saving the earth. All religions "tried hard" to get going. Love is certainly the biggest missing ingredient, and peacefulness nonviolence and non-aggressiveness are important.

Not just ' love' but a 'self-sacrificing' love as Jesus has according to John 13:34-35.
I find there are many people who fit the description as found at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 in these last day of badness on Earth before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, is the one who can and will bring Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

Since all ( or today, most all ) 'tried hard' to get along, and most people want peace on earth, doesn't it seem odd that there is Not more Peace on Earth. So, to me the only reasonable explanation is found in the words of Revelation chapter 12.
Satan has been cast down to the vicinity of the Earth but he has a limited period of time.
Satan ( earth's troublemaker ) will come to a final end when Jesus destroys Satan as per Hebrews 2:14 B.
 

robocop (actually)

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Not just ' love' but a 'self-sacrificing' love as Jesus has according to John 13:34-35.
I find there are many people who fit the description as found at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 in these last day of badness on Earth before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, is the one who can and will bring Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

Since all ( or today, most all ) 'tried hard' to get along, and most people want peace on earth, doesn't it seem odd that there is Not more Peace on Earth. So, to me the only reasonable explanation is found in the words of Revelation chapter 12.
Satan has been cast down to the vicinity of the Earth but he has a limited period of time.
Satan ( earth's troublemaker ) will come to a final end when Jesus destroys Satan as per Hebrews 2:14 B.
The Raelian love is about sacrificing all you have to help people go the way they want to.
 

Silverscale derg

Active Member
Not just ' love' but a 'self-sacrificing' love as Jesus has according to John 13:34-35.
I find there are many people who fit the description as found at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 in these last day of badness on Earth before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, is the one who can and will bring Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

Since all ( or today, most all ) 'tried hard' to get along, and most people want peace on earth, doesn't it seem odd that there is Not more Peace on Earth. So, to me the only reasonable explanation is found in the words of Revelation chapter 12.
Satan has been cast down to the vicinity of the Earth but he has a limited period of time.
Satan ( earth's troublemaker ) will come to a final end when Jesus destroys Satan as per Hebrews 2:14 B.

Jesus doesn't do anything with peace, only with war, and with humans.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
The Raelian love is about sacrificing all you have to help people go the way they want to.

I could Not bring myself to help a person ' go the way they want to ' if they wanted to be a serial killer.
Now I realize that is extreme what I just wrote, but wanted to stress the point we should Not want to let a person go the way they want to if that way means harm to themselves or others.

The Jesus' love is about sacrificing all ( that you can ) to help people go the way to: everlasting life.
Everlasting life whether in heaven for some, or everlasting life on Earth forever offered for most people.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Jesus doesn't do anything with peace, only with war, and with humans.

I can't find any record of Jesus' teaching to get involved with war, nor any record of even getting involved in the issues of the day between the Jews verses the Romans. Jesus along with his 1st-century followers always remained neutral in world affairs, and that is what Jesus taught his followers to be.
When Jesus healed the soldier's ear (Matthew 26:52) he taught to lay down the sword, and also at Revelation 13:10.
Jesus always ' peacefully ' preached and proclaimed about the 'good news' of God's kingdom or government as found at Matthew 24:14; Luke 4:43; Acts 1:8.

Armageddon is Not a political nuclear war, but the Bible's war to end all wars on Earth, or as Psalms 46:9 says that God will bring an end to war all over the Earth. That means God will have Jesus step in with ' angelic ' armies ( Not using people ) as Revelation 19:14-16 mentions. ALL us humans have to do is stand still and see salvation by God.
For God will bring to ruin those ruining Earth as Revelation 11:18 B says.
 

robocop (actually)

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Premium Member
I could Not bring myself to help a person ' go the way they want to ' if they wanted to be a serial killer.
Now I realize that is extreme what I just wrote, but wanted to stress the point we should Not want to let a person go the way they want to if that way means harm to themselves or others.

The Jesus' love is about sacrificing all ( that you can ) to help people go the way to: everlasting life.
Everlasting life whether in heaven for some, or everlasting life on Earth forever offered for most people.
No I wouldn't help someone be a serial killer.
 

Silverscale derg

Active Member
I can't find any record of Jesus' teaching to get involved with war, nor any record of even getting involved in the issues of the day between the Jews verses the Romans. Jesus along with his 1st-century followers always remained neutral in world affairs, and that is what Jesus taught his followers to be.
When Jesus healed the soldier's ear (Matthew 26:52) he taught to lay down the sword, and also at Revelation 13:10.
Jesus always ' peacefully ' preached and proclaimed about the 'good news' of God's kingdom or government as found at Matthew 24:14; Luke 4:43; Acts 1:8.

Armageddon is Not a political nuclear war, but the Bible's war to end all wars on Earth, or as Psalms 46:9 says that God will bring an end to war all over the Earth. That means God will have Jesus step in with ' angelic ' armies ( Not using people ) as Revelation 19:14-16 mentions. ALL us humans have to do is stand still and see salvation by God.
For God will bring to ruin those ruining Earth as Revelation 11:18 B says.

Okay a few comments, who was the people who ran the "convert or die" event to kill off heathens and convert them to _____? How about the witch hunts? How about stoning and not the good type either? Maybe it was my bad memory but i'm saying it was Christians...maybe just maybe the religion of "peace" and where "god" flooded the world because it wasn't exactly how he wanted it which is cowardly by the way. He was "all knowing" and "all powerful" quite cocky if you ask me yet somehow he kicked out lucifer for being prideful. If an all knowing god has to start his work over don't you think they aren't deserving of the title "all knowing"? Armageddon was a plan for us dragons to destroy the humans on earth because just look at how invasive they are...but that was abandoned because we spent so much time on it but let's say if another species with powerful weapons ended all life on earth...it wouldn't have been our fault...just saying. We dragons even those five dragon gods who made the world never claimed they were perfect nor all knowing, no one is all knowing after all. World is based on chaos but just slight. Humans have tipped the scale. The scale was good when creatures of predator and prey killed each other just to live but humans kill everything for either food which I wouldn't mind, trophy, fur, or anything else not meat...and not to mention they kill predators because they want more prey.
 

Silverscale derg

Active Member
I could Not bring myself to help a person ' go the way they want to ' if they wanted to be a serial killer.
Now I realize that is extreme what I just wrote, but wanted to stress the point we should Not want to let a person go the way they want to if that way means harm to themselves or others.

The Jesus' love is about sacrificing all ( that you can ) to help people go the way to: everlasting life.
Everlasting life whether in heaven for some, or everlasting life on Earth forever offered for most people.

I was once striving to be the world eater, I wanted to consume all the humans to bring true peace on earth but while I was sleeping I was part of the human attacks on us dragons and was even killed, after that I stopped wanting to kill humans in that way, yet again in the next life I was killed, again it was for my head and nothing more because humans are cowards. It doesn't make you look better to kill a creature just for being bigger than you. My husband made me calmer and bound to love instead of bound to killing. I as a dragon have everlasting life, I have been killed countless times and it pisses me off
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Okay a few comments, who was the people who ran the "convert or die" event to kill off heathens and convert them to _____? How about the witch hunts? How about stoning and not the good type either? Maybe it was my bad memory but i'm saying it was Christians...maybe just maybe the religion of "peace" and where "god" flooded the world because it wasn't exactly how he wanted it which is cowardly by the way. He was "all knowing" and "all powerful" quite cocky if you ask me yet somehow he kicked out lucifer for being prideful. If an all knowing god has to start his work over don't you think they aren't deserving of the title "all knowing"? Armageddon was a plan for us dragons to destroy the humans on earth because just look at how invasive they are...but that was abandoned because we spent so much time on it but let's say if another species with powerful weapons ended all life on earth...it wouldn't have been our fault...just saying. We dragons even those five dragon gods who made the world never claimed they were perfect nor all knowing, no one is all knowing after all. World is based on chaos but just slight. Humans have tipped the scale. The scale was good when creatures of predator and prey killed each other just to live but humans kill everything for either food which I wouldn't mind, trophy, fur, or anything else not meat...and not to mention they kill predators because they want more prey.

Who were 'they' (the above mentioned) many are the fake 'weed/tares' Christians of Matthew 13:25-30.
They call Jesus as ' Lord ' but prove false according to Matthew 7:21-23.
Gospel writer Luke forewarns us at Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30 that after the first century ends that an apostasy would set in and false shepherds ( false clergy ) would be fleecing the flock of God.

If God did Not gift us with free-will choices then God could be said to be all-knowing.
Sure, God does know the final outcome for the healing of earth's nations as said at Revelation 22:2,
but as to who will be part of God's beneficial blessing for earth's nations is unknown.
Unknown because we make our own choices as to behavior.

Men's Armageddon is often a Nuclear Armageddon, but that definitely is Not the Bible's Armageddon.
Please notice what I found at Psalms 46:9 that God is going to bring an end to wars on Earth.
Or, as Revelation 11:18 B says that God will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth.
So, God will see to it that wicked people will Not destroy humans but only the wicked destroyed as per Psalms 92:7
Jeremiah 25:31-33 tells us the wicked will be given to the sword. That 'sword' means the executional words out of Jesus' mouth ( Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16) will rid the Earth of evil ones - Proverbs 2:21-22.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I was once striving to be the world eater, I wanted to consume all the humans to bring true peace on earth but while I was sleeping I was part of the human attacks on us dragons and was even killed, after that I stopped wanting to kill humans in that way, yet again in the next life I was killed, again it was for my head and nothing more because humans are cowards. It doesn't make you look better to kill a creature just for being bigger than you. My husband made me calmer and bound to love instead of bound to killing. I as a dragon have everlasting life, I have been killed countless times and it pisses me off

But, I find the the Bible's everlasting life involves two choices:
* Some people are resurrected to heaven as per Revelation 20:6
* Most people will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to life on Earth.
As Adam was offered everlasting life on Earth as long as he kept God's Law, so the resurrected will have the same opportunity to live forever on Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.
 

Silverscale derg

Active Member
But, I find the the Bible's everlasting life involves two choices:
* Some people are resurrected to heaven as per Revelation 20:6
* Most people will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to life on Earth.
As Adam was offered everlasting life on Earth as long as he kept God's Law, so the resurrected will have the same opportunity to live forever on Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.

You know humans are so sentimental and selfish. You die and you go to the afterlife, either one of whichever karma you have and that's not a choice unless you're a reptile then you're both cursed and blessed. Cursed in the way of you know your past and you know what could come as well as the pain of your previous deaths which if you use them as live bait for fishing...yeah that's just cruel because fish will bite anything you put on the line and reptiles shouldn't be put in like that. I wouldn't care if it's another fish either but a creature who could drown in the water shouldn't be thrown in with a hook in it's gut. A blessing because we can't truly die. One body, next body and so on. I don't care what you humans say about putting chemical filled bodies in the ground that's just something wrong to do because no creature will eat them and they have no purpous
 

Silverscale derg

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Who were 'they' (the above mentioned) many are the fake 'weed/tares' Christians of Matthew 13:25-30.
They call Jesus as ' Lord ' but prove false according to Matthew 7:21-23.
Gospel writer Luke forewarns us at Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30 that after the first century ends that an apostasy would set in and false shepherds ( false clergy ) would be fleecing the flock of God.

If God did Not gift us with free-will choices then God could be said to be all-knowing.
Sure, God does know the final outcome for the healing of earth's nations as said at Revelation 22:2,
but as to who will be part of God's beneficial blessing for earth's nations is unknown.
Unknown because we make our own choices as to behavior.

Men's Armageddon is often a Nuclear Armageddon, but that definitely is Not the Bible's Armageddon.
Please notice what I found at Psalms 46:9 that God is going to bring an end to wars on Earth.
Or, as Revelation 11:18 B says that God will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth.
So, God will see to it that wicked people will Not destroy humans but only the wicked destroyed as per Psalms 92:7
Jeremiah 25:31-33 tells us the wicked will be given to the sword. That 'sword' means the executional words out of Jesus' mouth ( Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16) will rid the Earth of evil ones - Proverbs 2:21-22.

You humans sure do like portraying yourself as such a helpless creature. Anoles which if you didn't know are common back yard lizards with claws instead of sticky feet then it would be a gecko, even as a small creature can kill quite the load of insects, sure they're smaller than sleep, sure they are cold blooded, but they don't blindly follow the ones in front of them even if they fall off a cliff and perhaps if reptiles as a whole were to do such blind stuff then we wouldn't be so hated yet at the same time slaughtered more than we are, not always in a direct way but the use of pesticides makes insects toxic which we need to eat to live.

There is no such thing as true free will if you cap a perfection clause on it. If there was no "all mighty" and "all knowing" statements than it would mean chaos which is a factor on which life choices are decided would not apply which they do.

The "wicked" ones are often peaceful ones who worship the earth and nothing more, not bound by a book, not bound by a place, not bound by an idea that hurts anyone. Humans are the evil ones
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
You humans sure do like portraying yourself as such a helpless creature. Anoles which if you didn't know are common back yard lizards with claws instead of sticky feet then it would be a gecko, even as a small creature can kill quite the load of insects, sure they're smaller than sleep, sure they are cold blooded, but they don't blindly follow the ones in front of them even if they fall off a cliff and perhaps if reptiles as a whole were to do such blind stuff then we wouldn't be so hated yet at the same time slaughtered more than we are, not always in a direct way but the use of pesticides makes insects toxic which we need to eat to live.
There is no such thing as true free will if you cap a perfection clause on it. If there was no "all mighty" and "all knowing" statements than it would mean chaos which is a factor on which life choices are decided would not apply which they do.
The "wicked" ones are often peaceful ones who worship the earth and nothing more, not bound by a book, not bound by a place, not bound by an idea that hurts anyone. Humans are the evil ones

Sure it's humans, I find Psalms 92:7 is talking about wicked humans being destroyed forever.
( Makes we wonder why that Texas killer was Not already executed for his cruelty to animals )
Animal kind will be rescued as described at Isaiah 11:6-9; Isaiah 65:25.
Rescued ( saved /delivered ) because as Psalms 72:8 says Jesus will have earthly subjects.
Please notice Psalms 72:12-14 because Jesus will rescue the poor one who cries for help, and the lowly one and whoever has No helper. Jesus will have pity on the lowly and the poor, and the lives of the poor he will save.
Save from oppression and from violence he will rescue them (Why) because their blood is precious in his eyes.

Worshipping Earth can Not save Earth from those who bring ruin to Earth - Revelation 11:18 B.
Man has polluted Earth to the point that now Earth is striking back at humans. Relief will only come through Jesus involving himself in mankind's affairs. Psalms 72:4-7 is showing we can look forward to better conditions.
 

Silverscale derg

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Sure it's humans, I find Psalms 92:7 is talking about wicked humans being destroyed forever.
( Makes we wonder why that Texas killer was Not already executed for his cruelty to animals )
Animal kind will be rescued as described at Isaiah 11:6-9; Isaiah 65:25.
Rescued ( saved /delivered ) because as Psalms 72:8 says Jesus will have earthly subjects.
Please notice Psalms 72:12-14 because Jesus will rescue the poor one who cries for help, and the lowly one and whoever has No helper. Jesus will have pity on the lowly and the poor, and the lives of the poor he will save.
Save from oppression and from violence he will rescue them (Why) because their blood is precious in his eyes.

Worshipping Earth can Not save Earth from those who bring ruin to Earth - Revelation 11:18 B.
Man has polluted Earth to the point that now Earth is striking back at humans. Relief will only come through Jesus involving himself in mankind's affairs. Psalms 72:4-7 is showing we can look forward to better conditions.

Worshiping earth can save it. Thank the earth for the harvest, for the hunts that go well, for the water that provides life, to the lives needed to be taken to live, the healing properties of some plants...Being thankful and knowing where things come from would help a lot...would help a lot more than christans who ruined the pagan community by calling them heathens and killing them if they didn't believe in their twisted bible. Humans who worship Jesus are overpopulating the world with their view of all species but humans being overpopulated.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Worshiping earth can save it. Thank the earth for the harvest, for the hunts that go well, for the water that provides life, to the lives needed to be taken to live, the healing properties of some plants...Being thankful and knowing where things come from would help a lot...would help a lot more than christans who ruined the pagan community by calling them heathens and killing them if they didn't believe in their twisted bible. Humans who worship Jesus are overpopulating the world with their view of all species but humans being overpopulated.

No, no, no I find it was Not Christians, but rather the so-called Christians.
The Bible makes a difference between genuine ' wheat ' Christians and fake ' weed/tares' Christians.
The Bible teaches us that both the true and the false Christians would grow together over the centuries until the harvest time ( a harvest as we know comes at the end of a growing season ). That harvest time is connected to a soon coming 'time of separation' to take place on Earth when the genuine would be separated from the fake or false Christians.
So, it is Not the Bible that is twisted but the ' weed/tares ' so-called Christians that twisted it to their own ends.

Jesus, I find believed in the old Hebrew Bible or Scriptures, and God decreed that Earth be populated and Not over populated at Genesis 1:28. People were to reproduce until the Earth was ' full ' Not overfull or to over-multiply.

Sure we should be thankful for the harvest and water including the sun, etc. but who provides the sun and the rain that make the harvest possible. Who set those laws in motion that govern the mid-heavens to behave as they do.
Man has caused ruin to Earth ( Most of Earth's population is Not Christian ) and Now Earth is striking back at humans who are trying to ruin Earth. It almost seems as if Earth is revolting and targeting against humans.
Where was man when Earth was founded and set its measurements. Who set limits on the seas so they come no further than they do. Who fathers the rain or gives birth to the frost from the heavens, Not humans.
So, isn't the one who provides these necessary things be the one who should be worshipped.
We find all of the other planets have non-biblical names, but according to Genesis 1:10 God named this planet ' Earth '. So, I would say 'yes' to being thankful and knowing where things come from does help a lot. Helps a lot knowing about God as Creator and Benefactor. Helps a lots knowing God 'will bring to ruin' those ruining Earth as mentioned at Revelation 11:18 B. In other words, history shows man can Not stop man from ruining Earth.
 
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