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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
interfaith yes i know. its between followers of different religions and i dont want just tell, i am also interested in answering questions and help those want to learn about my faith.

Yes, we know, but are you willing to ask anyone else about their faith? That would be interfaith. It involves comparison of two faiths. It's not interfaith if all the telling just goes in one direction. Go ahead, ask.

So here's a question ... If Islam is so great, how come we had a Muslim say he was happy about killing 8 people yesterday. What do you find peaceful about that?
 

zahra67

Active Member
Yes, we know, but are you willing to ask anyone else about their faith? That would be interfaith. It involves comparison of two faiths. It's not interfaith if all the telling just goes in one direction. Go ahead, ask.

So here's a question ... If Islam is so great, how come we had a Muslim say he was happy about killing 8 people yesterday. What do you find peaceful about that?
our great exempler are prophet Mohammad (blessings of Allah upon him and his progeny).
the people who kill innocent people are against islam.
the message of islam is security, peace and mercy for mankind!
our prophet (blessings of Allah upon him and his progeny)
says:
Behold! My Ahl al-Bayt are security and mercy for you. Therefore, love them for my sake and resort to them so that you will never go astray… These are Ali, my two grandsons and nine borne of Husayn who are trustworthy and infallible Imams. Behold! They are the Ahl al-Bayt and my honour - from my flesh and my blood.
God says in verse 107 of chapter 21:
we have not sent you but aas a mercy for entire creation!
these are our exempler, leaders, vicegerent of Allah who are infallible!
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
the people who kill innocent people are against islam.

According to this man, these people that he killed were not innocent. They were guilty of not being Muslim. Do you believe that that is a good reason to kill people ... if they aren't Muslims?
 

zahra67

Active Member
According to this man, these people that he killed were not innocent. They were guilty of not being Muslim. Do you believe that that is a good reason to kill people ... if they aren't Muslims?
surely no!
the people only can kill if some want to kill them and start wars against them!
we should not kill anyone without reason, religion of people is not makes difference in this regard,
we should respect people,
no mather in about religion!

our leader and the first imam is imam ali who says in nahj al-balaghah:
A Grain of Barley
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
(Sermon 224)
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
surely no!
He is saying the west is trying to destroy Islam, so he feels justified.

So if you encountered a fellow Muslim, who wanted to go kill infidels, what would you say to him?

What about destruction or property? Remember those Buddha statues? Was it okay to go destroy them?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
He is saying the west is trying to destroy Islam, so he feels justified.

So if you encountered a fellow Muslim, who wanted to go kill infidels, what would you say to him?

What about destruction or property? Remember those Buddha statues? Was it okay to go destroy them?
Come on, Vinayaka, this poster hasn't made any posts supporting extremism so what's with the 3rd degree?
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Come on, Vinayaka, this poster hasn't made any posts supporting extremism so what's with the 3rd degree?

But seriously, I think that the moderate Muslims should do more than they do. Don't you? If we want peace on this planet, it's everyone's duty, no? I'm not really familiar with it, and would like to know just why there is such a gap from moderate to radical, in this faith. Perhaps you know? Perhaps we can all help.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
But seriously, I think that the moderate Muslims should do more than they do. Don't you? If we want peace on this planet, it's everyone's duty, no? I'm not really familiar with it, and would like to know just why there is such a gap from moderate to radical, in this faith. Perhaps you know? Perhaps we can all help.
I think moderate Muslims are doing quite enough against the extremists since they're doing the majority of the fighting and dying against them. The West, however, could do a lot more such as by not destabilizing Middle Eastern countries by overthrowing governments and creating chaotic power vacuums that jihadists fill and by not supporting exporters of extreme Salafism such as Saudi Arabia.
 

zahra67

Active Member
He is saying the west is trying to destroy Islam, so he feels justified.

So if you encountered a fellow Muslim, who wanted to go kill infidels, what would you say to him?

What about destruction or property? Remember those Buddha statues? Was it okay to go destroy them?

if someone wants to kill people i just tell him
why did you forget about verse 32 of chapter 5 of the holy Quran?

who ever killed a soul, except for a soul slain, or for sedition in the earth, it should be considered as though he had killed all mankind; and that who ever saved it should be regarded as though he had saved all mankind.
these are just vahabis who kill people without reason.
we shia muslims as i mentioned:
our first imam ali (blessings of Allah upon him)
says:
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.

you can download the letter of imam ali (blessings of allah upon him)
from this link (the powerpoint file).

i studied it in my language \(persian),
but i am llooking for its english translation.
when i find it, comment it in this post and maybe copy it in a separate post.
just please help me where is the best place for posting it?

O Malik
 

zahra67

Active Member
According to this man, these people that he killed were not innocent. They were guilty of not being Muslim. Do you believe that that is a good reason to kill people ... if they aren't Muslims?


i found some sentences which i mentioned which is from imam ali (peace be upon hem).
he wrotes this letter to malik ashtar and hear you are some sentences of it (thats helpful for our discussion).

Imam Ali (as) writes in his letter to Malik Ashtar: “Fill your heart with people’s love and affection. Never be like a beast who grabs the opportunity to devour them. ...for you are dominant on them, and the one who governs you is superior to you, and God is superior to the latter. God has entrusted you the responsibility of managing people’s affairs, and this is a test for you. Never enter a fight with God, for you would not tolerate His chastisement”.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
i found some sentences which i mentioned which is from imam ali (peace be upon hem).
he wrotes this letter to malik ashtar and hear you are some sentences of it (thats helpful for our discussion).

Imam Ali (as) writes in his letter to Malik Ashtar: “Fill your heart with people’s love and affection. Never be like a beast who grabs the opportunity to devour them. ...for you are dominant on them, and the one who governs you is superior to you, and God is superior to the latter. God has entrusted you the responsibility of managing people’s affairs, and this is a test for you. Never enter a fight with God, for you would not tolerate His chastisement”.

So how do you get these peaceful messages across and out to the people who think quite the opposite?
 
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