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The significance of 1844 in Bible Prophecy

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Faithofchristian

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adrian009 said:
It doesn't sound very sensible to be filming a couple of dead guys lying in the street for 3 1/2 days. Someone would be calling the undertakers to remove the bodies, wouldn't they?
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Not if people wanted to prove that those two witnesses will not rise in 3 1/2 days.

According to Revelation 11:9 --"And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies 3 1/2
days, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves"

Notice the people will not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Therefore the people will not accept that the two witnesses will rise after 3 1/2 days.
So the people will not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves, to see whether or not if they will rise after 3 1/2 days.
 
Dawnofhope

Dawnofhope

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Faithofchristian said:
Not if people wanted to prove that those two witnesses will not rise in 3 1/2 days.
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Why would someone see two dead guys on the street and film them for 3 1/2 days to prove the will not rise from the dead? What same human being would do this? How about the financially driven TV companies and all the prime time viewing ratings that would be lost?

Faithofchristian said:
According to Revelation 11:9 --"And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies 3 1/2
days, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves"
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Which is exactly my point. It makes no sense to interpret these verses literally.

Faithofchristian said:
Notice the people will not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
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Faithofchristian said:
Therefore the people will not accept that the two witnesses will rise after 3 1/2 days.
So the people will not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves, to see whether or not if they will rise after 3 1/2 days.
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This doesn't seem like common sense at all to me.

How about the clouds of great power that Christ will be seen from? How does that tie in?
 
InvestigateTruth

InvestigateTruth

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Faithofchristian said:
Ok, so can you explain how will it be possible for all nations around the earth to see the two witnesses laying in the streets. At the same time ?
There's no adding to the scripture, it's just common sense.
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No, I should not give you my personal interpretation. The Prophecies are God's, and when they are fulfilled we know how it happened.


"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:20-21

Let's remember, the story of Joseph in Bible. The one who had a dream; Seven fat cows were eaten by Seven skinny cows.
Did anybody know what its fulfilment was, other than Joseph who was a Prophet? Were they able to interpret it using their common sense? Or, God could only reveal it?
 
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Faithofchristian

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adrian009 said:
Why would someone see two dead guys on the street and film them for 3 1/2 days to prove the will not rise from the dead? What same human being would do this? How about the financially driven TV companies and all the prime time viewing ratings that would be lost?



Which is exactly my point. It makes no sense to interpret these verses literally.





This doesn't seem like common sense at all to me.

How about the clouds of great power that Christ will be seen from? How does that tie in?
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That's because God does not see as we see nor are God's thoughts are our thoughts. God does not think like we think.Thats why he's God.

There you are wrong at, We do not interpret what God has already Interpreted.

After 3 1/2 days, God calls the two witnesses back up to heaven, and then the 7th Trumpet sounds and then Christ Jesus Returns with clouds of great power.

The clouds are those that are coming with Christ Jesus, they having on white linen and riding white horses that from a distance they look like white clouds.
 
Dawnofhope

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
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Faithofchristian said:
That's because God does not see as we see nor are God's thoughts are our thoughts. God does not think like we think.Thats why he's God.

There you are wrong at, We do not interpret what God has already Interpreted.

After 3 1/2 days, God calls the two witnesses back up to heaven, and then the 7th Trumpet sounds and then Christ Jesus Returns with clouds of great power.

The clouds are those that are coming with Christ Jesus, they having on white linen and riding white horses that from a distance they look like white clouds.
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How about the stars falling to earth. Won't that cause some damage to the earth for all of us 'non-Christians'?
 
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Faithofchristian

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InvestigateTruth said:
No, I should not give you my personal interpretation. The Prophecies are God's, and when they are fulfilled we know how it happened.


"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:20-21

Let's remember, the story of Joseph in Bible. The one who had a dream; Seven fat cows were eaten by Seven skinny cows.
Did anybody know what its fulfilment was, other than Joseph who was a Prophet? Were they able to interpret it using their common sense? Or, God could only reveal it?
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The whole book of Revelation was given by God, Therefore God has already given the interpretation to all things in the book of Revelation.
Therefore we can Interpret the things in Revelation, What God has already given the interpretation too.

Many make that one mistake in going into the book of Revelation trying to give interpretation. Not realizing that God has already given the interpretation to all things in Revelation. To be found in Revelation.
 
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Faithofchristian

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adrian009 said:
How about the stars falling to earth. Won't that cause some damage to the earth for all of us 'non-Christians'?
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You see, You think those are actually stars that are falling to the earth.

Those stars are representing Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven.coming down here on earth.

You may say, then why doesn't God say so plainly.

Maybe it's because God wants us to use our brains to think with. rather than to think everything has to be taken in the literal sense of things.

God does explain what those stars are in Revelation. Stars Represents angles.
Revelation 1:20.
 
Dawnofhope

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
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Premium Member
Faithofchristian said:
You see, You think those are actually stars that are falling to the earth.

Those stars are representing Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven.coming down here on earth.

You may say, then why doesn't God say so plainly.

Maybe it's because God wants us to use our brains to think with. rather than to think everything has to be taken in the literal sense of things.

God does explain what those stars are in Revelation. Stars Represents angles.
Revelation 1:20.
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That certainly turns centuries of scientific thinking on it head to consider the stars in heaven are actually angels.

Maybe the earth really is the centre of the universe like most people believed until Copernicus and Galileo came along?
 
InvestigateTruth

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
Faithofchristian said:
The whole book of Revelation was given by God, Therefore God has already given the interpretation to all things in the book of Revelation.
Therefore we can Interpret the things in Revelation, What God has already given the interpretation too.

Many make that one mistake in going into the book of Revelation trying to give interpretation. Not realizing that God has already given the interpretation to all things in Revelation. To be found in Revelation.
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Book of Revelation is all visions. Its interpretation is not given in the Book of Revelation otherwise you did not have problem explaining how all people can see two dead bodies in 3.5 days.
 
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Faithofchristian

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adrian009 said:
That certainly turns centuries of scientific thinking on it head to consider the stars in heaven are actually angels.

Maybe the earth really is the centre of the universe like most people believed until Copernicus and Galileo came along?
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I didn't say those stars we see at night are angels.
I said those stars which are spoken in Revelation 6:13--"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth"
These are not to be taken as literal stars as we see at night.
God uses stars to represent things, no more than God uses Locusts to represent things
 
InvestigateTruth

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
Faithofchristian said:
You see, You think those are actually stars that are falling to the earth.

Those stars are representing Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven.coming down here on earth.

You may say, then why doesn't God say so plainly.

Maybe it's because God wants us to use our brains to think with. rather than to think everything has to be taken in the literal sense of things.

God does explain what those stars are in Revelation. Stars Represents angles.
Revelation 1:20.
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And how do you know that angels are literal? Maybe they also mean something else, and God wants us use our brain.
 
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Faithofchristian

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InvestigateTruth said:
Book of Revelation is all visions. Its interpretation is not given in the Book of Revelation otherwise you did not have problem explaining how all people can see two dead bodies in 3.5 days.
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Yeah and God gave the interpretation to all those Visions throughout the book of Revelation.

It's obvious how people all around the earth will be able to see those dead bodies laying in the streets in Jerusalem.

Think, how would people on one side of the earth, see those things on the other side of the earth.
If not by satellites transmitting signal's back to earth.so people could see what is happening on the other side of the earth.
 
Dawnofhope

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Faithofchristian said:
I didn't say those stars we see at night are angels.
I said those stars which are spoken in Revelation 6:13--"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth"
These are not to be taken as literal stars as we see at night.
God uses stars to represent things, no more than God uses Locusts to represent things
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So the stars spoken of in revelation aren't really stars at all, but angels. If God is so literal, why didn't he just say so?
 
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Faithofchristian

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InvestigateTruth said:
Book of Revelation is all visions. Its interpretation is not given in the Book of Revelation otherwise you did not have problem explaining how all people can see two dead bodies in 3.5 days.
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God has given the interpretation to all those Visions throughout the book of Revelation.
It's obvious how people can see what is happening on one other side of the earth by the satellites transmitting signal's back to the earth.
 
InvestigateTruth

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
Faithofchristian said:
Yeah and God gave the interpretation to all those Visions throughout the book of Revelation.

It's obvious how people all around the earth will be able to see those dead bodies laying in the streets in Jerusalem.

Think, how would people on one side of the earth, see those things on the other side of the earth.
If not by satellites transmitting signal's back to earth.so people could see what is happening on the other side of the earth.
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It is not possible to know. The Book is sealed with Seven Seals:

"And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals." Revelation 6:1

Only the Return of Christ can open the Seals of it, and reveal its interpretations:

And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, "Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?"

Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals."

Revelation 5:1-5
 
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Faithofchristian

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InvestigateTruth said:
It is not possible to know. The Book is sealed with Seven Seals:

"And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals." Revelation 6:1

Only the Return of Christ can open the Seals of it, and reveal its interpretations:

And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, "Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?"

Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals."

Revelation 5:1-5
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Look Christ Jesus has open all those seals, if not then we wouldn't be able to read what is in those seals.

Revelation 6:1--"And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals"

Therefore Christ Jesus has open the seals.

Throughout Revelation Chapter 6 Christ Jesus has open all 7 seals.
 
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