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God's Standard of Purity

InChrist

Free4ever
So it's a cold day and you go to a restaurant ready to get a bowl of hot, steamy soup. Your order comes, you grab your spoon and just as your are ready to take that first spoonful you see a dead mouse in the bowl!
How would you react?
Would you eat the soup anyway? Shouldn't you be accepting and allow for imperfections? Isn't is too picky or intolerant to have strict standards of cleanliness and purity? Anyone can make mistakes, after all the cook is just human, right?

There is a lot in the Bible which reveal that God as Creator has standards of purity which don't allow for corruption or anything less than clean, pure perfection. Is God being too demanding? So often, it seems like God is accused of having requirements which are too high or that He should be a little lax or accept what He would classify as disgusting, gross substandard quality... yet, people don't so easily drop their standards.

What do you think?
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Yes, God has high standards. Thank goodness He recognizes that we can't be perfect in applying them! But we can try.

And we never make a habit, or practice, of doing what He dislikes, even if it's a weakness we have.

Nice post, should be thought-provoking.

Take care, my cousin!
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Yes, God has high standards. Thank goodness He recognizes that we can't be perfect in applying them! But we can try.

And we never make a habit, or practice, of doing what He dislikes, even if it's a weakness we have.

Nice post, should be thought-provoking.

Take care, my cousin!
How can anyone who murders 3,000,000 + in his own book claim to have High Standards???
 

Electra

Active Member
I like how you told this in a story format. :)

Isn't it more like....

'God' made just one flavour of soup and serves it to everyone? Some people are fine with this but some want a little more salt, some a little pepper, some want a different flavour all together.

but my flavour is the only one, 'God' says!

Okay...
maybe I got carried away with the soup analogy. haha
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
God put the mouse in the bowl as a payback for something gross the person did. The person could harden their heart and eat the mouse. Pick the mouse out and throw it away, ignoring the message, or hear the message and try not to do grossness before God so God does not put grossness on their plate, or in their bowl.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
So it's a cold day and you go to a restaurant ready to get a bowl of hot, steamy soup. Your order comes, you grab your spoon and just as your are ready to take that first spoonful you see a dead mouse in the bowl!
How would you react?
Would you eat the soup anyway? Shouldn't you be accepting and allow for imperfections? Isn't is too picky or intolerant to have strict standards of cleanliness and purity? Anyone can make mistakes, after all the cook is just human, right?

There is a lot in the Bible which reveal that God as Creator has standards of purity which don't allow for corruption or anything less than clean, pure perfection. Is God being too demanding? So often, it seems like God is accused of having requirements which are too high or that He should be a little lax or accept what He would classify as disgusting, gross substandard quality... yet, people don't so easily drop their standards.

What do you think?
In this scenario, is the kitchen outside my control, or did I arrange things so that the mouse would be there before I freaked out at it?

Edit: or did I sit there and watch as they put the mouse in my food and even had other kitchen staff asking me for guidance - "Mr. Customer, there's a mouse in this soup and I don't know what to do. The manager is telling the waiter to serve it anyway. What should I do?" - but all the while I did nothing?
 
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Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
So it's a cold day and you go to a restaurant ready to get a bowl of hot, steamy soup. Your order comes, you grab your spoon and just as your are ready to take that first spoonful you see a dead mouse in the bowl!
How would you react?
Would you eat the soup anyway? Shouldn't you be accepting and allow for imperfections? Isn't is too picky or intolerant to have strict standards of cleanliness and purity? Anyone can make mistakes, after all the cook is just human, right?

There is a lot in the Bible which reveal that God as Creator has standards of purity which don't allow for corruption or anything less than clean, pure perfection. Is God being too demanding? So often, it seems like God is accused of having requirements which are too high or that He should be a little lax or accept what He would classify as disgusting, gross substandard quality... yet, people don't so easily drop their standards.

What do you think?

Do we require that the cook kill another animal, or another human being . . . then splash the blood around an altar?

Because that is exactly how god's standard of purity works. . . And it's disgusting.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
So it's a cold day and you go to a restaurant ready to get a bowl of hot, steamy soup. Your order comes, you grab your spoon and just as your are ready to take that first spoonful you see a dead mouse in the bowl!
How would you react?
I would leave the restaurant. Sort of like the reasons why I would leave the church when they served up dishes of fear instead of Love.

Would you eat the soup anyway? Shouldn't you be accepting and allow for imperfections?
A dead mouse is not the same thing as "imperfections" whatever those are. It's a health violation, not an "imperfection". Does your God send people to hell for not putting enough salt in his soup to his personal tastes when it poses no health risks?

This is what your analogy should be calling out, not some over the top comparison. It should say, God wants three leeks instead of two, and because you only put 2.5 leeks in there, you'll be strung up at dawn and your body burned for the whole village to see so they will fear him and give him his demands without deviation! Nice customer! :(

Isn't is too picky or intolerant to have strict standards of cleanliness and purity?
Darned right it's too picky when those standards are things that say God considers it a sin if women cut their hair, wear slacks instead of dresses, has a drink of alcohol, doesn't attend church each Sunday, has a belief or a thought or an idea that doesn't agree with their pastor's, and on and on the list of such legalist tripe spews on. Who exactly is it making up these standards anyway, and what you do find in the OT, or even in the NT, are not injunctions for the culture and time in which they were written, and not "eternal laws" that apply to today?

My experience with these "standards" is that they are pretty much all projections of the sensitivities of the yahoo preachers who cherry-picked them from the Bible to suit their particular cultural sensitivities, for right or for wrong. It's like saying only cherry pies are true pies, and then going on the attack for those who enjoy pecan pies instead, justifying their evil claiming God only accepts that cherry pies are "perfection" (whatever that word means).

Anyone can make mistakes, after all the cook is just human, right?
Actually, in your analogy, that wouldn't be a mistake. It would be an accident. Unless he deliberately put it in there, in which case it would be considered an attack on the customer to cause harm in which case that was a conscious decision which he would in fact bear responsibility for. Does your God send people to hell for accidents? That's not very loving or fair, is it?

There is a lot in the Bible which reveal that God as Creator has standards of purity which don't allow for corruption or anything less than clean, pure perfection.
There's a lot in the Bible which reveals the cultural mentality of the men who wrote it, standards which Christians today themselves do not follow. But rather than saying they don't appear in the Bible, they lie to others and themselves through either ignoring them, or saying Jesus got rid of those, but not the ones their group likes to harp on and on about. It's all just insincerity on parade.

Is God being too demanding?
It's religious people who are too demanding. God really doesn't give a hoot if you as a woman cuts their hair after reading Paul's comments that it is considered a sin. I'm pretty sure that if God has eyeballs, He'd probably just be rolling them at eyes our silly, primitive ideas of Him, assuming we think we know something about this because we read it in the Bible and interpreted it with our tiny little brains a particular way that somehow makes sense to us in our highly limited minds. I like where the Bible says God is Love. Is it love that leads to us getting our undies in a twist over such trivial things, or is that our tiny little egos projecting itself on the universe as God?

So often, it seems like God is accused of having requirements which are too high or that He should be a little lax or accept what He would classify as disgusting, gross substandard quality... yet, people don't so easily drop their standards.
All of these are a projection of our egos on God. The more anal someone is, the more they can tell themselves they are religious, when in fact they aren't at all in their hearts where it really matters. This is what Jesus taught at length. Straining at gnats, while swallowing camels.
 
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9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
There is a lot in the Bible which reveal that God as Creator has standards of purity which don't allow for corruption or anything less than clean, pure perfection. Is God being too demanding? So often, it seems like God is accused of having requirements which are too high or that He should be a little lax or accept what He would classify as disgusting, gross substandard quality... yet, people don't so easily drop their standards.

What do you think?
I think that we can infer God's standards from what he equipped his creation to do. If we're an expression of God's will, then we can infer that God wanted us to be "sinful" in the exact amount that we are. If he had wanted us to be different from what we are, he could have made us different, right?
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
So it's a cold day and you go to a restaurant ready to get a bowl of hot, steamy soup. Your order comes, you grab your spoon and just as your are ready to take that first spoonful you see a dead mouse in the bowl!
How would you react?
Would you eat the soup anyway? Shouldn't you be accepting and allow for imperfections? Isn't is too picky or intolerant to have strict standards of cleanliness and purity? Anyone can make mistakes, after all the cook is just human, right?

There is a lot in the Bible which reveal that God as Creator has standards of purity which don't allow for corruption or anything less than clean, pure perfection. Is God being too demanding? So often, it seems like God is accused of having requirements which are too high or that He should be a little lax or accept what He would classify as disgusting, gross substandard quality... yet, people don't so easily drop their standards.

What do you think?
Yes. God's requirements are both too demanding and frankly immoral. In fact God should not have any requirements whatsoever.
 

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
So it's a cold day and you go to a restaurant ready to get a bowl of hot, steamy soup. Your order comes, you grab your spoon and just as your are ready to take that first spoonful you see a dead mouse in the bowl!
How would you react?
Would you eat the soup anyway? Shouldn't you be accepting and allow for imperfections? Isn't is too picky or intolerant to have strict standards of cleanliness and purity? Anyone can make mistakes, after all the cook is just human, right?

There is a lot in the Bible which reveal that God as Creator has standards of purity which don't allow for corruption or anything less than clean, pure perfection. Is God being too demanding? So often, it seems like God is accused of having requirements which are too high or that He should be a little lax or accept what He would classify as disgusting, gross substandard quality... yet, people don't so easily drop their standards.

What do you think?

I would immediately demand my money back and I would leave the restaurant, vowing never to return.

God is holy. It does not matter what we prefer, it matters what He prefers.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
So it's a cold day and you go to a restaurant ready to get a bowl of hot, steamy soup. Your order comes, you grab your spoon and just as your are ready to take that first spoonful you see a dead mouse in the bowl!
How would you react?
Would you eat the soup anyway? Shouldn't you be accepting and allow for imperfections? Isn't is too picky or intolerant to have strict standards of cleanliness and purity? Anyone can make mistakes, after all the cook is just human, right?

There is a lot in the Bible which reveal that God as Creator has standards of purity which don't allow for corruption or anything less than clean, pure perfection. Is God being too demanding? So often, it seems like God is accused of having requirements which are too high or that He should be a little lax or accept what He would classify as disgusting, gross substandard quality... yet, people don't so easily drop their standards.

What do you think?

I found two interesting things. Christians expecting god to live up written standards of perfection. Ex-christians setting a higher criteria on god for perfection. Both are going by their definition and interpretation of perfection. If it were god's, then god would speak to both of them about this personally without the former written testimony and the latter basing god off the interpretation of christian's definition of perfection-which, in many cases-are more dangerous than what one reads in any book.

So, with the soup, I see the christian humbly saying "god wouldn't give me this type of soup" while many blaming it on the devil. I see ex-christians saying god treated them poorly because their soup was polluted. So, they too act as if an external party did anything.

There is no perfection and imperfection in anything and anyone. It's how both christian and non christian react to such a distinction between what you both thing is pure and what you do not. Putting a high standard on god that anything that is not in the bible is not what he said; limiting him, is a standard of someone else's definition and testimony of purity. Putting a high standard on god because what they read doesn't match up to their experiences with believers sounds more natural. One because the latter is going by his experiences over what he reads. Two, experiences tell us a lot of times what is "right or wrong" while trusting an external party to validate our experience leads to dependency on another person's definition of right and wrong.

The high standard is put on god by christians not more so by ex-christians.

Millions of people define god by pages in a book. Many ex-christians define god by their experiences and what's directly written not abstractly based on upbringing or experiential bias.

If I were a christian, I'd probably be humble about the soup exchange since I would not expect everything to be perfect. How is it humble to submit myself to accepting imperfection that may harm me.

If I were ex-christian (did not take the sacraments) and was indoctrinated, I'd probably blame the cook and think some "outside party" is directing his anger on me because that 50/50 chance I got one soup over another.

It works in both ways.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I would immediately demand my money back and I would leave the restaurant, vowing never to return.

God is holy. It does not matter what we prefer, it matters what He prefers.
And God, being the eminently capable restaurant owner who is ultimately responsible for everything that happens in it, apparently prefers that his restaurant serve mousy soup.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
So it's a cold day and you go to a restaurant ready to get a bowl of hot, steamy soup. Your order comes, you grab your spoon and just as your are ready to take that first spoonful you see a dead mouse in the bowl!
How would you react?
Would you eat the soup anyway? Shouldn't you be accepting and allow for imperfections? Isn't is too picky or intolerant to have strict standards of cleanliness and purity? Anyone can make mistakes, after all the cook is just human, right?

There is a lot in the Bible which reveal that God as Creator has standards of purity which don't allow for corruption or anything less than clean, pure perfection. Is God being too demanding? So often, it seems like God is accused of having requirements which are too high or that He should be a little lax or accept what He would classify as disgusting, gross substandard quality... yet, people don't so easily drop their standards.

What do you think?

I'd give it to Jesus to eat. So he can be punished for the sins of the cook.

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DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
And God, being the eminently capable restaurant owner who is ultimately responsible for everything that happens in it, apparently prefers that his restaurant serve mousy soup.

Matthew 13
24Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27“The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28“ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

29“ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ”
 
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