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God is Holy

Repox

Repox

Truth Seeker
It may be appropriate to discuss God's holiness in the context of a "holy spark" of light. Holiness is a hypothetic unless it can be observed.

It may be easy to confuse holy light and fire. Whereas holy light is warm but not destructive, fire is hot and destructive. Both holy light and fire give light, but are different. Colors are different, God's sparks of light are pure white, embers of fire have yellowish colors, or a range of colors from bright white to yellowish depending on the intensity of the fire. God's holy sparks are eternal, or without ending, fire embers destroy and are therefore finite. Heaven is full of sparks of God's holy light, a forest fire is full of destructive embers of fire. An angel appears as a holy bright white light. In heaven, you see holy white lights in every direction. Everything in heaven glistens with God's holy light.
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
QuestioningMind said:
Yes, I have. Unfortunately there isn't a single one that contains enough details so that it can be associated with any one specific incident. There's also a huge difference between a prediction and a prophecy.

For instance, there was a general during the American Civil War who after seeing the destruction wrought by modern day warfare said that eventually humans would create weapons capable of blowing up the entire world. SOME people might claim that he was a prophet that God had given a glimpse of the future. However I suspect that MOST people would conclude that he looked at the rate of technological advancement in warfare and simply made an accurate prediction.
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Well, that is interesting, but not sure how it relates to biblical prophecy. I mentioned above the subjects of the Savior and the nation of Israel There are many detailed prophecies in the Bible concerning these. I'm not talking about some obscure predictions made by others. I will agree that many have wrongly used the biblical scriptures and tried to apply them to events incorrectly, but I don't think that is reason to discount the real prophetic information in the scriptures that have unfolded throughout history.
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Repox said:
It may be appropriate to discuss God's holiness in the context of a "holy spark" of light. Holiness is a hypothetic unless it can be observed.

It may be easy to confuse holy light and fire. Whereas holy light is warm but not destructive, fire is hot and destructive. Both holy light and fire give light, but are different. Colors are different, God's sparks of light are pure white, embers of fire have yellowish colors, or a range of colors from bright white to yellowish depending on the intensity of the fire. God's holy sparks are eternal, or without ending, fire embers destroy and are therefore finite. Heaven is full of sparks of God's holy light, a forest fire is full of destructive embers of fire. An angel appears as a holy bright white light. In heaven, you see holy white lights in every direction. Everything in heaven glistens with God's holy light.
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Have you been to heaven and seen the holy light of God you are referring to? Just curious where you are getting your information.
 
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QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
InChrist said:
Well, that is interesting, but not sure how it relates to biblical prophecy. I mentioned above the subjects of the Savior and the nation of Israel There are many detailed prophecies in the Bible concerning these. I'm not talking about some obscure predictions made by others. I will agree that many have wrongly used the biblical scriptures and tried to apply them to events incorrectly, but I don't think that is reason to discount the real prophetic information in the scriptures that have unfolded throughout history.
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Please do share a specific prophecy that you think couldn't have been an accurate prediction or that could not have been interpreted in another way.
 
Repox

Repox

Truth Seeker
InChrist said:
Have you been to heaven and seen the holy light of God you are referring to? Just curious where you are getting your information.
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I have had dreams about heaven, and I have seen holy sparks of light. I have posted those dreams on this forum. I don't think they are of interest. They lack dramatic appeal.
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
QuestioningMind said:
Please do share a specific prophecy that you think couldn't have been an accurate prediction or that could not have been interpreted in another way.
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Here is a link to a list of OT prophecies in reference to the Messiah and then their fulfillment in the life of Christ recorded in the NT. Feel free to choose the one(s) you would like to check out and do your own research.

AccordingtotheScriptures.org :: 353 Prophecies Fulfilled in Jesus Christ


Then there are the many prophecies concerning the return of the Jewish people back to the land of Israel. I will just highlight one below from a linked article:


14) “Therefore behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when it will no longer be said, ‘As the LORD lives, who brought up the sons of Israel out of the land of Egypt,’
15) but, ‘As the LORD lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of the north and from all the countries where He had banished them.’ For I will restore them to their own land which I gave to their fathers.”
(Jeremiah 16:14-15)

The Regathering of the Jewish People | Jews | Lamb and Lion Ministries
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Repox said:
I have had dreams about heaven, and I have seen holy sparks of light. I have posted those dreams on this forum. I don't think they are of interest. They lack dramatic appeal.
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I would think any dreams about heaven or sparks of light would be dramatic. Yet, I personally think such dreams would need to be compared to the scriptures for discernment.
 
Q

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
InChrist said:
Here is a link to a list of OT prophecies in reference to the Messiah and then their fulfillment in the life of Christ recorded in the NT. Feel free to choose the one(s) you would like to check out and do your own research.

AccordingtotheScriptures.org :: 353 Prophecies Fulfilled in Jesus Christ


Then there are the many prophecies concerning the return of the Jewish people back to the land of Israel. I will just highlight one below from a linked article:


14) “Therefore behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when it will no longer be said, ‘As the LORD lives, who brought up the sons of Israel out of the land of Egypt,’
15) but, ‘As the LORD lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of the north and from all the countries where He had banished them.’ For I will restore them to their own land which I gave to their fathers.”
(Jeremiah 16:14-15)

The Regathering of the Jewish People | Jews | Lamb and Lion Ministries
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Well, I don't have time to read through the 353 examples you claim there are, so I'll assume that the example you gave is the best example you have of a genuine prophecy.

"14) “Therefore behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when it will no longer be said, ‘As the LORD lives, who brought up the sons of Israel out of the land of Egypt,’
15) but, ‘As the LORD lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of the north and from all the countries where He had banished them.’ For I will restore them to their own land which I gave to their fathers.”

So are saying that the fact that Israel became a nation again is somehow evidence that the above is prophecy from God? You might have a case if it had specified exactly WHEN this would take place or under what conditions it would occur, i.e "One thousand nine hundred and forty eight years after the birth of Christ the nations of the world will come together and decide that the land occupied by the Palestinians will be given to the Jews and renamed Israel..." But it doesn't. All it says is that a nation that once was will at some time in the future be recognized again. I can claim that eventually Thailand will be known as Siam again. If a few thousand years from now that happens, it does NOT mean that I'm a prophet from God, it simply means I made an accurate prediction.

As it stand, the above quote just sounds like a prediction to me, one that took over 2000 years to come to pass. How is this any different from the civil war general predicting that eventually we'd develop weapons of war capable of blowing up the entire planet?
 
Enoch07

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Mister Silver said:
When someone tends to repeat a single word in that manner, I usually get the impression that the individual is attempting to place more importance on it than it actually has.

Since I am an atheist, I personally am not affected by god in any way.
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You effected enough to dedicate a large amount of time posting on a religious debate forum. So you cant really say your not effected in any way. :p
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
InChrist said:
Here is a link to a list of OT prophecies in reference to the Messiah and then their fulfillment in the life of Christ recorded in the NT. Feel free to choose the one(s) you would like to check out and do your own research.

AccordingtotheScriptures.org :: 353 Prophecies Fulfilled in Jesus Christ


Then there are the many prophecies concerning the return of the Jewish people back to the land of Israel. I will just highlight one below from a linked article:


14) “Therefore behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when it will no longer be said, ‘As the LORD lives, who brought up the sons of Israel out of the land of Egypt,’
15) but, ‘As the LORD lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of the north and from all the countries where He had banished them.’ For I will restore them to their own land which I gave to their fathers.”
(Jeremiah 16:14-15)

The Regathering of the Jewish People | Jews | Lamb and Lion Ministries
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Are there specific scriptures that made prophecy outside the bible?
 
Repox

Repox

Truth Seeker
InChrist said:
I would think any dreams about heaven or sparks of light would be dramatic. Yet, I personally think such dreams would need to be compared to the scriptures for discernment.
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I thought evidence is important. Do you propose disregarding everything prophets said?
 
GOSPEL

GOSPEL

New Member
The fact that god is holy is only the tip of the iceberg. Why is is holy is because he is perfect, a bringer of life, and our creator. That is why god is holy
 
ThePainefulTruth

ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
InChrist said:
In the Bible God is called holy and in some passages not only once, but three times...holy, holy, holy. It is the only attribute of God which is repeated three times together. From what I have researched, if something is mentioned twice it is very important and when something is mentioned three times it is incredibly significant and important.
The word holy in Hebrew is “qodesh” and in the New Testament, the word for holy is “hagios” with meanings, such as; set-apart, separate, exclusive, sacred, worthy of reverence, pure, completely unique and transcendent because God is above every created thing.

What are your thoughts? Does the holiness of God impact you in any way?
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We can only assume that God is holy if we know It exists. But then we can only say that God is holy "if" It exists. Meanwhile, we can easily equate God with Truth, whatever that Truth is, and call IT holy.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
InChrist said:
I appreciate that you have your perspective concerning prophecy, but have you ever checked out biblical prophecy for yourself and found them to be inaccurate or are you just repeating others who say they are worthless?
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Those such as Matthew 24:6 - 7, and Luke 21:11, there have always been wars and rumors of war, there has always been famine and pestilence here and there, earthquakes happen far more frequently than most people realize, and fearful sights and great signs from the Heavens is indeed extremely vague - historically there has been a trend to view comets as these terrible signs from the Heavens, and it hasn't been confined to Christianity.
 
Repox

Repox

Truth Seeker
InChrist said:
No, I don't propose disregarding everything the prophets said.
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I think we have things confused. I don't think my seeing holy sparks of light and what prophets said are related. Reading what they wrote doesn't have any effect on what I have experienced.
 
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