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God is Holy

InChrist

Free4ever
Sorry. It's all written in Seraph-script , an alphabet with which I am wholly unfamiliar.

But you seem to be, at least for now, our resident expert on the seraphim, so perhaps you could clear something up for us. The Isaiah 6 reference reads:

  1. In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lofty; and the hem of his robe filled the temple.
  2. Seraphs were in attendance above him; each had six wings: with two they covered their faces, and with two they covered their feet, and with two they flew.
  3. And one called to another and said:
    “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts;
    the whole earth is full of his glory.”​
  4. The pivots on the thresholds shook at the voices of those who called, and the house filled with smoke.
Why do you think the seraphim covered their faces and feet? And why six wings in the first place?

Edited to add link: Biblical Concepts of Holiness.
I don't know for sure. It may be that they covered their faces and feet because they were in the presence of God's holiness, something similar to Moses being told to remove his sandals by God because he was standing on holy ground or they covered their faces and feet to show humility before God. It seems the six wings each had a purpose: two for covering the feet. two for covering the faces, and two for flying. Possibly the number six may be related to their role as agents of purification for human prophets, as Isaiah, for prophetic service.
I don't know that I've cleared anything up, but I think this may be getting somewhat off topic.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
As I recall, there's considerable divinely sanctioned carnage in the OT.
I don't see that there is actually "divinely sanctioned" carnage as you call it, in the OT. If you are referring to the instances where God commands certain people to be destroyed then I think you should investigate further. The scriptures do provide insight into the reasons why God, after much patience and ample warning to those involved in gross evil, finally faced divine justice.
 
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InChrist

Free4ever
No. I never knew god the father. Christ made a huge impact on me, though. I wouldn't call it holy. I'm not one to use worship words and say "praise the lord; by the glory of christ" type of language. The bible in my eyes doesn't confirm my experiences. If anything, that turns me off as well as worship words.

Christ impacted my growth in my spirituality and understanding what I believe and don't believe within the body of christ. It gave me strength to say this is what I don't believe and have the ability to walk away without guilt or harm. Experiencing christ also gave me a jumpstart in how people believe in all different religions. It's a universal devotional behavior and mindset that I admire. Without the christ-experience, I'd never follow any religion or spiritual belief. If I didn't become christian, I'd probably be a rare breed on RF who lives in America, not indoctrinated, no religion, and no belief in the existence of god for my adult life.

Scripture doesn't impact me either. If anything, the body of christ would be scripture. I don't see people coming to god because of scripture. I'd think they come to god because of their experiences and/or maybe testimonies of other people's experiences. Once you go to scripture, faith is lost because you depend on something you see-something physical-that by definition scripture tells you is not.

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. From my perspective, I do think that the biblical scriptures are very powerful in bringing about faith and also confirming one's experience in knowing Jesus Christ and His glorious amazing love and power to save and deliver one from darkness into eternal light because it's His living word. The Bible says ...So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Romans 10:17) and... For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.(Hebrews 4:12)
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Not at all. God is not necessary for anything, unless you personally perceive him to be. The world is just fine without god, always has been.
Are you sure the world is just fine without God? How do you know for certain? The scriptures indicate that even something as basic as each person's every breath is dependent upon God.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
What are your thoughts? Does the holiness of God impact you in any way?
Of course. God is, as Tillich termed it, one's "Ultimate Concern". So yes, that God is Ultimate, that would be set above all other concerns. Yes, "holy, holy, holy," would convey that. And of course, my Ultimate Concern is in fact just that.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. From my perspective, I do think that the biblical scriptures are very powerful in bringing about faith and also confirming one's experience in knowing Jesus Christ and His glorious amazing love and power to save and deliver one from darkness into eternal light because it's His living word. The Bible says ...So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Romans 10:17) and... For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.(Hebrews 4:12)

Thank you. I appreciate that.

Let me ask you a honest question. I notice all Christians I meet, and I meet a lot, have the worship-language. Even one RF member was christian, went to another faith, and then once christian again, the worship-language came back.

These phrases, do they come to you naturally or something you were taught when speaking about christ?

...His glorious amazing love and power to save and deliver one from darkness into eternal light because it's His living word.

Some say "yes, by the glory of the lord, he saved me. I can never repay the gift wonderful gift he gave." I know I have other examples.

It's almost like a foreign language. When I took the sacraments, my language never changed like that. I don't know many Catholics who speak like this, so I assume it could be denominational. Baptist and nondenominational tends to speak that way. All evangelicals do weirdly.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
In the Bible God is called holy and in some passages not only once, but three times...holy, holy, holy. It is the only attribute of God which is repeated three times together. From what I have researched, if something is mentioned twice it is very important and when something is mentioned three times it is incredibly significant and important.
The word holy in Hebrew is “qodesh” and in the New Testament, the word for holy is “hagios” with meanings, such as; set-apart, separate, exclusive, sacred, worthy of reverence, pure, completely unique and transcendent because God is above every created thing.

What are your thoughts? Does the holiness of God impact you in any way?
It Interesting the disconnect from the physical happens right around here in lots of Christianity. More so in evangelicalism. Are you evangelical?
 

Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
In the Bible God is called holy and in some passages not only once, but three times...holy, holy, holy. It is the only attribute of God which is repeated three times together. From what I have researched, if something is mentioned twice it is very important and when something is mentioned three times it is incredibly significant and important.
The word holy in Hebrew is “qodesh” and in the New Testament, the word for holy is “hagios” with meanings, such as; set-apart, separate, exclusive, sacred, worthy of reverence, pure, completely unique and transcendent because God is above every created thing.

What are your thoughts? Does the holiness of God impact you in any way?
This means that God's servants also must do what they can to be holy. If we live in lustful serious sins, we can no longer serve God.
 

Mister Silver

Faith's Nightmare
Are you sure the world is just fine without God?

Yes.

How do you know for certain?

Because I have experienced belief in god in the past. The world was the same without belief in him as it was with belief in him; the only thing that changed was that I found myself happier without belief in him.

The scriptures indicate that even something as basic as each person's every breath is dependent upon God.

The scripture is hardly a reliable source for realistic truth.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
In the Bible God is called holy and in some passages not only once, but three times...holy, holy, holy. It is the only attribute of God which is repeated three times together. From what I have researched, if something is mentioned twice it is very important and when something is mentioned three times it is incredibly significant and important.
The word holy in Hebrew is “qodesh” and in the New Testament, the word for holy is “hagios” with meanings, such as; set-apart, separate, exclusive, sacred, worthy of reverence, pure, completely unique and transcendent because God is above every created thing.

What are your thoughts? Does the holiness of God impact you in any way?
impact?.....not yet

I am expecting a slap up side the head when I get there

hopefully, that will be all the correction I need
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Yes.



Because I have experienced belief in god in the past. The world was the same without belief in him as it was with belief in him; the only thing that changed was that I found myself happier without belief in him.



The scripture is hardly a reliable source for realistic truth.
and the truth that you are headed for is......what?
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
People see Christ and Mary in tortillas, dirty windows and knotty wood -- are these divine signs?

And grilled cheese sandwiches. Don't forget grilled cheese sandwiches. ;)

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Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
You are wrong. I want his guidance. He gives me nothing but silence and confusion. As long as God treats people like this, the world is hopeless!

Curiosity only: what are you looking for specifically from God, and what makes you think he's ignoring you?
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Curiosity only: what are you looking for specifically from God, and what makes you think he's ignoring you?
I'm looking for healing, wisdom, understanding, Prudence, mental and emotional maturity, and answers to a lot of questions. Most of all, I'm praying that God's will is done with my life. I just feel very lost, confused, and unstable. I honestly wish I didn't exist, but I'm too scared to attempt suicide again cuz last time it broke multiple bones and put me in a wheelchair when I tried to end life.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm looking for healing, wisdom, understanding, Prudence, mental and emotional maturity, and answers to a lot of questions. Most of all, I'm praying that God's will is done with my life. I just feel very lost, confused, and unstable. I honestly wish I didn't exist, but I'm too scared to attempt suicide again cuz last time it broke multiple bones and put me in a wheelchair when I tried to end life.

I hope you understand that those feelings describe 90% of humanity. Anyone who is a theist prays for those things. If this were not the case Hindus would not pray to Ganesha and Saraswati for knowledge and wisdom. Those of us who hold Krishna as God would not ask him to help us hold to what he teaches in the Bhagavad Gita. Sometimes we're too busy asking that we don't give God a chance to get a word in edgewise.

Sometimes God gives us what we need rather than what we want. Sometimes we have to find those answers for ourselves; we can't expect God to spoon feed them to us. I made a promise to Thor and Hanuman that I would get back into shape and regain my strength and size, after spending several years making myself an emotional and physical cripple. I ask them for help, and they may be helping, but it may very well all be me (I'm making an exception because hearing a spotter bellow "c'mon man, it's all you!" makes me want to puke). We have to make things happen: the weights won't lift themselves.

The talk of suicide is cause for concern. This isn't a personal criticism, but I would wholeheartedly suggest you seek out someone, whether it's a professional mental health practitioner, a clergy person of any faith, preferably not your own so you get a different perspective, or someone, anyone to talk through this. I've detected in your posts an obsession with "God's will". Please think about what I'm saying. ;)
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I hope you understand that those feelings describe 90% of humanity. Anyone who is a theist prays for those things. If this were not the case Hindus would not pray to Ganesha and Saraswati for knowledge and wisdom. Those of us who hold Krishna as God would not ask him to help us hold to what he teaches in the Bhagavad Gita. Sometimes we're too busy asking that we don't give God a chance to get a word in edgewise.

Sometimes God gives us what we need rather than what we want. Sometimes we have to find those answers for ourselves; we can't expect God to spoon feed them to us. I made a promise to Thor and Hanuman that I would get back into shape and regain my strength and size, after spending several years making myself an emotional and physical cripple. I ask them for help, and they may be helping, but it may very well all be me (I'm making an exception because hearing a spotter bellow "c'mon man, it's all you!" makes me want to puke). We have to make things happen: the weights won't lift themselves.

The talk of suicide is cause for concern. This isn't a personal criticism, but I would wholeheartedly suggest you seek out someone, whether it's a professional mental health practitioner, a clergy person of any faith, preferably not your own so you get a different perspective, or someone, anyone to talk through this. I've detected in your posts an obsession with "God's will". Please think about what I'm saying. ;)
Thank you. Yes I'm getting help. However I think only God can help me in the end. I feel very confused and only God can give me understanding.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
I don't see that there is actually "divinely sanctioned" carnage as you call it, in the OT. If you are referring to the instances where God commands certain people to be destroyed then I think you should investigate further. The scriptures do provide insight into the reasons why God, after much patience and ample warning to those involved in gross evil, finally faced divine justice.

And their kids, pregnant women and donkeys, too. Collateral damage, I suppose. They did not invent precision bombing in the bronze age, yet.

How was He different from any other genocidal dictator?

Ciao

- viole
 

Repox

Truth Seeker
Based on my experiences, here is my observation about God's holiness, it is about heaven. Outside of heaven, there is no holiness.

There is no Christian heaven, Jewish heaven, or any other religious heaven. There is just heaven with God and His angels. There is only one color; it is glittering white light streaming from the two Gods in a sphere. Around the two Gods, there are twelve fluffy white angels resembling cotton balls, and, beyond the two Gods in a sphere, there is bright white light extending in all directions. Whereas, in the universe, there is matter and energy composed of small particles (molecules, atoms and quarks), in heaven, there are brilliant white sparks of holy light. In heaven, physical laws do not apply. There are no spatial or physical references, just the two Gods in a sphere surrounded by fluffy white angels. Heaven, like God, is eternal with no beginning or ending.
 
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