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Good bye Bible!

DavidFirth

DavidFirth

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Skwim said:
As far as I'm concerned panspermia is science fiction. Aside from that I've seen good reasoning behind the two main theories, which have to do with location; hydrothermal vents and primordial soup, From there on the particulars delve into areas and concepts I lack the education to discuss. However, science is quite excited about the progress it's made in finding support for its theories and the evidence it's uncovered. So, I'm continually encouraged abiogenesis is progressing quite nicely and will eventually prove to be a viable explanation of how life came into being.

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So you believe in an incomplete theory that has no justification whatsoever other than the fact that you refuse to believe in a Creator.

That makes perfect scientific sense. It really does. That kind of attitude tells me all I need to know about scientists. They'd rather believe in something they can't understand or describe than accept the possibility that God did indeed create.

For today's scientists that is par for the course. Their bias determines their attitudes, and therefore produces their theoretical BS for them. How nice that it all fits together like that.

And you folks wonder why I refuse to believe all the nonsense they keep spitting out, none of which can they prove. Instead, all I hear is "Science isn't about proving anything." Well, of course it isn't since scientists prefer to think up whatever crap is necessary to justify their anti-religious bias. This abiogenesis BS just proves my point.
 
DavidFirth

DavidFirth

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Terrywoodenpic said:
So you are saying if you believe something it must be true?
That is clearly nonsense.
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No, but the Spirit, which is something you cannot understand, is truth. As long as you deny the truth that is Christ you will continue to prefer the lies and the deception since they make your world wonderful for you. Or so you think.
 
DavidFirth

DavidFirth

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Terrywoodenpic said:
There is only one creator God he also goes by the name Allah but not i suggest Buddha he never claimed to be God. We do not even know how Jhvh should be pronounced.
Ask any tibetan monk how many names God has.
Even most mortals have more than one name.....
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Job 40

1The Lord said to Job:

2“Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him?

Let him who accuses God answer him!”

3Then Job answered the Lord:

4“I am unworthy—how can I reply to you?

I put my hand over my mouth.

5I spoke once, but I have no answer—

twice, but I will say no more.”

6Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm:

7“Brace yourself like a man;

I will question you,

and you shall answer me.

8“Would you discredit my justice?

Would you condemn me to justify yourself?

9Do you have an arm like God’s,

and can your voice thunder like his?

10Then adorn yourself with glory and splendor,

and clothe yourself in honor and majesty.

11Unleash the fury of your wrath,

look at all who are proud and bring them low,

12look at all who are proud and humble them,

crush the wicked where they stand.

13Bury them all in the dust together;

shroud their faces in the grave.

14Then I myself will admit to you

that your own right hand can save you.
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
DavidFirth said:
Job 40

1The Lord said to Job:

2“Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him?

Let him who accuses God answer him!”

3Then Job answered the Lord:

4“I am unworthy—how can I reply to you?

I put my hand over my mouth.

5I spoke once, but I have no answer—

twice, but I will say no more.”

6Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm:

7“Brace yourself like a man;

I will question you,

and you shall answer me.

8“Would you discredit my justice?

Would you condemn me to justify yourself?

9Do you have an arm like God’s,

and can your voice thunder like his?

10Then adorn yourself with glory and splendor,

and clothe yourself in honor and majesty.

11Unleash the fury of your wrath,

look at all who are proud and bring them low,

12look at all who are proud and humble them,

crush the wicked where they stand.

13Bury them all in the dust together;

shroud their faces in the grave.

14Then I myself will admit to you

that your own right hand can save you.
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And what has job got to do with the names of God?
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
DavidFirth said:
No, but the Spirit, which is something you cannot understand, is truth. As long as you deny the truth that is Christ you will continue to prefer the lies and the deception since they make your world wonderful for you. Or so you think.
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The Holy spirit guides and comforts us all, Christian or not.
And brings us to love God and our fellow man.
God is not exclusive he is inclusive.


Why do you always speak in Jargon?
 
Phantasman

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
DavidFirth said:
Do you not know scripture? If you did you wouldn't wonder about such things because you'd know about them.
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Scripture? Who's? The ones the catholics say are truth? The Jews followed Hebrew scriptures and were blind to Christ. The scriptures that reveal Christ are the ones I seek. Try the spirits doesn't mean just those of the catholics (Bible). The OT doesn't teach Christ comes in the flesh.

Yes. I follow Christian scriptures that teach spirit. Not the scriptures of flesh.You may see a jealous God through "your" scriptures, but mine are Gospel that teaches God is love and has no jealousy in him.

Paul:
4 e]">[e]Love f]">[f]suffereth long: it is bountiful: love envieth not: love doth not boast itself: it is not puffed up:

5 It doth g]">[g]no uncomely thing: it seeketh not her own thing: it is not provoked to anger: it thinketh no evil:

6 It rejoiceth not in iniquity, but h]">[h]rejoiceth in the truth:

7 It suffereth all things: it believeth all things: it hopeth all things: it endureth all things.
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We see the effects of jealousy by the "liar and murderer" Jesus spoke of, in the OT. The "scriptures" from the Spirit reveals them.
 
DavidFirth

DavidFirth

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Phantasman said:
Scripture? Who's? The ones the catholics say are truth? The Jews followed Hebrew scriptures and were blind to Christ. The scriptures that reveal Christ are the ones I seek. Try the spirits doesn't mean just those of the catholics (Bible). The OT doesn't teach Christ comes in the flesh.

Yes. I follow Christian scriptures that teach spirit. Not the scriptures of flesh.You may see a jealous God through "your" scriptures, but mine are Gospel that teaches God is love and has no jealousy in him.

Paul:
4 e]">[e]Love f]">[f]suffereth long: it is bountiful: love envieth not: love doth not boast itself: it is not puffed up:

5 It doth g]">[g]no uncomely thing: it seeketh not her own thing: it is not provoked to anger: it thinketh no evil:

6 It rejoiceth not in iniquity, but h]">[h]rejoiceth in the truth:

7 It suffereth all things: it believeth all things: it hopeth all things: it endureth all things.
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We see the effects of jealousy by the "liar and murderer" Jesus spoke of, in the OT. The "scriptures" from the Spirit reveals them.
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Exodus 20:5
You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God who will not tolerate your affection for any other gods. I lay the sins of the parents upon their children; the entire family is affected--even children in the third and fourth generations of those who reject me.
 
Phantasman

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
DavidFirth said:
Not according to the Bible. I speak according to the Spirit.
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The Spirit wasn't given to man until Christ gave it to man.

John 7:
(This spake he of the Spirit, which they that believed in him, should receive: for the holy Ghost was not yet given, because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

John 14:
But the Comforter, which is the holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my Name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, which I have told you.

John 15:
But when that Comforter shall come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth of the Father, he shall testify of me.

The Spirit of Truth doesn't testify of Moses, Isaiah or others of the Hebrews. The Holy Spirit spoke who to listen to:

Matthew 17:
3 And behold, there appeared unto them Moses, and Elijah, talking with him.

4 Then answered Peter, and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles, one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.

5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud shadowed them: and behold, there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is d]">[d]that my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: hear him.

Not Moses or Isaiah. Jesus.
 
Phantasman

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Terrywoodenpic said:
People knew of the Holy Spirit before the Bible was compiled, and before there were Christians.
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Correct. The "Holy Spirit" ,from the Father, never appears in the OT. Neither does the "kingdom of God" that Jesus said to seek.

The Spirit came upon men. Not within them. Jesus was the first, and taught us of it, before he gave it to us, so we could use it effectively.
 
Phantasman

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
DavidFirth said:
Exodus 20:5
You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God who will not tolerate your affection for any other gods. I lay the sins of the parents upon their children; the entire family is affected--even children in the third and fourth generations of those who reject me.
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The OT isn't the Gospel.
 
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