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Good bye Bible!

Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
DavidFirth said:
Okay, so prove that it is true that God does not exist.
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With many things you have to try proving the reciprocal to come to any conclusion.
In the case of God you can prove neither his existence nor his non existence,
as we have no evidence either way.
It becomes a matter of faith and belief, neither of which can be proof.
 
DavidFirth

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
Terrywoodenpic said:
With many things you have to try proving the reciprocal to come to any conclusion.
In the case of God you can prove neither his existence nor his non existence,
as we have no evidence either way.
It becomes a matter of faith and belief, neither of which can be proof.
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Okay, now let's prove abiogenesis. Oops, we can't! So we must accept the reciprocal that life must have been created. According to your logic a Creator MUST exist, congratulations. So which God created?
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
DavidFirth said:
Okay, now let's prove abiogenesis. Oops, we can't! So we must accept the reciprocal that life must have been created. According to your logic a Creator MUST exist, congratulations. So which God created?
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Thing is, where we have very good evidence pointing to abiogenesis, other than the say-so of whatever particular theistic religion one believes in, there is no evidence whatsoever for its god.

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Lauralight

New Member
There is both truth and untruth in the Bible. Good luck sorting it out by just reading and believing what it says. Man didn't want you to question the book he wrote about God. The Bhagavad Gita and the Vedas brought me far closer to truth.

Genisis is the story of Creation just as much as a story of time spanning 7000 years.

Everything is created from light. Cold light has a vibrational frequency so low we'd freeze. Hot light is like the sun. God compresses light into spheres to create matter. Quarks and gluons are fake science because scientists don't understand the things they play with. Atoms are held together by centrifugal and centripetal forces caused by motion of light waves.

Religion is just groupings of ideas created by man. God, Jesus, the Truth and the Laws of Creation exist just fine without it. At the point it time we are at now it's senseless to argue about religion since it's just to confuse us. Our government is literally killing us as we speak. Look into genetic engineering, look what they are doing to our DNA and you won't be so confused as to why you are confused.
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
DavidFirth said:
Okay, now let's prove abiogenesis. Oops, we can't! So we must accept the reciprocal that life must have been created. According to your logic a Creator MUST exist, congratulations. So which God created?
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My logic leads to no decision one way or the other.
Though faith and belief leads me to the belief in a creator God.

Of course only one God could be responsible for creation, as there is only one creation involving this universe. Which leads me to believe that everyone who believes in a creator God, logically believes in the same one.. what ever he has been taught by his religion to call him.
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
Lauralight said:
Everything is created from light. Cold light has a vibrational frequency so low we'd freeze. Hot light is like the sun. God compresses light into spheres to create matter. Quarks and gluons are fake science because scientists don't understand the things they play with. Atoms are held together by centrifugal and centripetal forces caused by motion of light waves.
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A "WOW!" and a soft chuckle.

Religion is just groupings of ideas created by man. God, Jesus, the Truth and the Laws of Creation exist just fine without it. At the point it time we are at now it's senseless to argue about religion since it's just to confuse us. Our government is literally killing us as we speak. Look into genetic engineering, look what they are doing to our DNA and you won't be so confused as to why you are confused.
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Nice broadside.

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Phantasman

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
PopeADope said:
I realize there's so many lies in the Bible and so much that leads people astray. It's time to say goodbye to the Bible.

I believe in God, and have experienced many Graces and transforming experience through prayer and meditation. I've experienced too many blessings and interesting coincidences and unexplainable phenomenon to not believe in God.

However, I've got to forget about the Bible. It drives me nuts! It is a book full of contradictory statements that lead people astray. It is filled with empty promises and symbolism that stirs up confusion, judgements, condemnation, and false expectations.

It's time to embrace my spirituality and what works for me, rather than try to gain something from an ancient text that ticks me off and has been proven false and stupid.

It's time to recognize the Bible for what it is... A book written by Men who were prone to error.

It's insane to think that the God who made the beautiful planets, stars, and whole universe would give us a book like that, so full of ridiculous versus that don't make sense, genocide mandated by God, killing people for working on the wrong day of the week, destroying what others hold as sacred... That is not the God I know.

If you have the faith of a mustard seed you can tell this mountain to move and it will be done for you. What a stupid thing to say! I doubt Jesus ever said that. I don't think he was that stupid.

If God had a book, no doubt I would be the first one who would want to read it, but I don't think the world has such a book, and it certainly is not the Bible!
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My view is that it's a good choice. Christ said to teach the Gospel, not the Bible. It came about by mens decisions some 400 years after Christ. The Gospel is a path, not a religion. There are books that hinder as well as reveal Christs teachings.

Even the earlier synoptic Gospel books didn't agree without error. This due to the reason that the synoptics were not written by eye witnesses (Matthew may have) and John wasn't either. Since the presbyters who wrote John saw how the earlier gospels were being taken different ways (creating a division), it is why the Johannines had more of a "to the world" concept than "to the Jews".

Thomas is the only gospel to date that reflects the author as an eye witness.

I learned morre of the spiritual Father, Son and Holy Spirit leaving the orthodox ideology than accpeting it. This includes a collection of books being the "only" word of God, when Jesus himself is the "only" Word from God. And there is a difference.

Just my view.
 
Kelly of the Phoenix

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Lauralight said:
There is both truth and untruth in the Bible. Good luck sorting it out by just reading and believing what it says. Man didn't want you to question the book he wrote about God. The Bhagavad Gita and the Vedas brought me far closer to truth.
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Indeed. While I come from Christianity, I was never really moved to tears until I read the Mahabharata, of which the Gita is a part. There was a beauty to it I realized I had never felt with the bible.

I'm not saying it's perfect. Like the bible, it's filled with immoral silliness too, but I admire that the Mahabharata makes way more of an effort to be morally consistent. In the bible, the Pandavas would've gone straight to heaven for all the propaganda nonsense about how holy they were. In the Mahabharata, they go to hell (initially, anyway). That kind of loyalty to moral consistency is refreshing. Even Krishna, awesomeness of awesome, gets cursed for the obvious things he did. If Jesus were in the Mahabharata, the crucifixion wouldn't have been about a sacrifice that ultimately doesn't do anything and more about how Jesus (or God) was punished for Their sins, something the bible will never admit to even though it provides plenty of evidence.
 
DavidFirth

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
Skwim said:
Thing is, where we have very good evidence pointing to abiogenesis, other than the say-so of whatever particular theistic religion one believes in, there is no evidence whatsoever for its god.

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Let's see this wonderful evidence pointing to abiogenesis. Link?
 
DavidFirth

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
Terrywoodenpic said:
My logic leads to no decision one way or the other.
Though faith and belief leads me to the belief in a creator God.

Of course only one God could be responsible for creation, as there is only one creation involving this universe. Which leads me to believe that everyone who believes in a creator God, logically believes in the same one.. what ever he has been taught by his religion to call him.
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Incorrect. God is a jealous God. Would you be happy if your wife called another man husband?
 
DavidFirth

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
Terrywoodenpic said:
With many things you have to try proving the reciprocal to come to any conclusion.
In the case of God you can prove neither his existence nor his non existence,
as we have no evidence either way.
It becomes a matter of faith and belief, neither of which can be proof.
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I never said I could, but only that the atheist is an atheist based on his faith that no god exists.
 
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