No Messiah Mention in KJV New Testament

George-ananda said:

We have very similar thinking then. But why do you say the Mandela Effect is somewhat incompatible with this. The Mandel effect is just saying that we can have genuine memories of things that are not officially that way in our collective universe.

Some say our Causal Bodies/Souls experience through multiple physical created realities to maximize spiritual wisdom attainment.

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I did say it 'if' I understood the Mandela effect correctly, I must confess I have not gone into it deeply so if you say it is compatible with my understanding, I will defer to your judgement and will take a deeper look.

ben d said:

I did say it 'if' I understood the Mandela effect correctly, I must confess I have not gone into it deeply so if you say it is compatible with my understanding, I will defer to your judgement and will take a deeper look.

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Here's why I am so into this. My true story:


On Aug 2, 2017, I was on here (reddit) discussing the Flinstones/Flintstones flip on another thread. My position was that it is and always was the Flintstones. The guy sent me a reply saying at the time it was the Flinstones you could look at Wikipedia, and all official TV show and vitamin sites and it was always Flintstones; he used the word Flintstones in all four examples given.


I said 'I Know' you are confirming my point that it was always Flintstones.


Then when I was done with my reply and I looked up at his original post and all four 'Flintstones' had changed on my static display to 'Flinstones'. Did I just see it wrong?? I looked away and came back and it was 'Flintstones' again. I would just look away, blink, change my focus looked back and it would flip again. I was able to do this 6 or 7 times in under five minutes each time looking slowly and cautiously for this controversial 't' IN ALL FOUR PLACES. Impossible to me that I made a mistake slowly and cautiously each time. I felt something was trying to wake me up.

That is why I am talking to you now and have been on other forums. You can take this one to the bank. Strike me dead if I am lying. I have no purpose to care about the spelling of Flintstones or the Mandela Effect.

I want to spread my story that Mandela Effect people are not crazy.

George-ananda said:

Here's why I am so into this. My true story:


On Aug 2, 2017, I was on here (reddit) discussing the Flinstones/Flintstones flip on another thread. My position was that it is and always was the Flintstones. The guy sent me a reply saying at the time it was the Flinstones you could look at Wikipedia, and all official TV show and vitamin sites and it was always Flintstones; he used the word Flintstones in all four examples given.


I said 'I Know' you are confirming my point that it was always Flintstones.


Then when I was done with my reply and I looked up at his original post and all four 'Flintstones' had changed on my static display to 'Flinstones'. Did I just see it wrong?? I looked away and came back and it was 'Flintstones' again. I would just look away, blink, change my focus looked back and it would flip again. I was able to do this 6 or 7 times in under five minutes each time looking slowly and cautiously for this controversial 't' IN ALL FOUR PLACES. Impossible to me that I made a mistake slowly and cautiously each time. I felt something was trying to wake me up.

That is why I am talking to you now and have been on other forums. You can take this one to the bank. Strike me dead if I am lying. I have no purpose to care about the spelling of Flintstones or the Mandela Effect.

I want to spread my story that Mandela Effect people are not crazy.

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Interesting, here is another possibility, it could be a form of dyslexia. There are many forms of dyslexia and as I've gotten older, I often make spelling mistakes when writing that I can't see until later when I proof read, that are consistent with a form of dyslexia, including reversing letters such as 'ts' to 'st' for example. Every post I make requires much editing for spelling, missed words, etc.

I never seemed to have a problem when I was young, but as a result of, imho, the serious still mind meditation practiced over many years, with expanded (out of body) awareness which restructures the brain plasticity to realize some functionality in other planes. I had read many years ago that if a child's soul is not fully incarnate, they will show symptoms of dyslexia by 'seeing' this world's reality from, in addition to the center of one's environment as normal, to some extent from the out of body astral perspective whereby a 2D word such as 'fat' for example, can be seen as 'rat' and 'tar'. Iow, the letters and objects can be seen from all sides with the oob astral vision. So if this is the correct understanding of the cause of dyslexia, as an aspirant develops the astral faculty of vision, the symptoms of dyslexia will appear. In this case as far as I am concerned, it is not to be seen as a curse, though it is a bother to function as normal in this world, but as a natural part of the evolutionary spiritual unfoldment.

Now I am sure the reason most of the many examples of the misspelling of Flintstone as Flinstone is not due to the Mandela effect, nor Dyslexia, but are just statistically acceptable examples of plain misspelling. But in the example of your own experience of a repetitive flipping from one spelling to the other, I am making the case of astral vision, where the word Flintstone, which is the correct spelling, could also be seen as Flinstone when the ts or st are flipped, and the additional 't' filtered out or merged together to appear as one t. Long stretch you think , anyways keep us informed of developments?

ben d said:

Interesting, here is another possibility, it could be a form of dyslexia. There are many forms of dyslexia and as I've gotten older, I often make spelling mistakes when writing that I can't see until later when I proof read, that are consistent with a form of dyslexia, including reversing letters such as 'ts' to 'st' for example. Every post I make requires much editing for spelling, missed words, etc.

I never seemed to have a problem when I was young, but as a result of, imho, the serious still mind meditation practiced over many years, with expanded (out of body) awareness which restructures the brain plasticity to realize some functionality in other planes. I had read many years ago that if a child's soul is not fully incarnate, they will show symptoms of dyslexia by 'seeing' this world's reality from, in addition to the center of one's environment as normal, to some extent from the out of body astral perspective whereby a 2D word such as 'fat' for example, can be seen as 'rat' and 'tar'. Iow, the letters and objects can be seen from all sides with the oob astral vision. So if this is the correct understanding of the cause of dyslexia, as an aspirant develops the astral faculty of vision, the symptoms of dyslexia will appear. In this case as far as I am concerned, it is not to be seen as a curse, though it is a bother to function as normal in this world, but as a natural part of the evolutionary spiritual unfoldment.

Now I am sure the reason most of the many examples of the misspelling of Flintstone as Flinstone is not due to the Mandela effect, nor Dyslexia, but are just statistically acceptable examples of plain misspelling. But in the example of your own experience of a repetitive flipping from one spelling to the other, I am making the case of astral vision, where the word Flintstone, which is the correct spelling, could also be seen as Flinstone when the ts or st are flipped, and the additional 't' filtered out or merged together to appear as one t. Long stretch you think , anyways keep us informed of developments?

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I think the dyslexia explanation in my case is really remote. I do not have dyslexia and never have had an episode before or since like this. Certainly we can all flip letters on the fly but:

As I said; I was able to do this 6 or 7 times in under five minutes each time looking slowly and cautiously for this controversial 't' IN ALL FOUR PLACES.

My leading theory was that I was being graced (aided) to learn that this reality is plastic and that we with our attention can control it. Now, normally this flipping is not within my control, but I was in this case temporarily empowered with control to expand my understanding of reality as I have been indoctrinated to understand it. Time to further my understanding. Consciousness somehow creates what we experience.

I do understand these claims are only compelling to the experiencer. There is nothing I can do about that.

George-ananda said:

I think the dyslexia explanation in my case is really remote. I do not have dyslexia and never have had an episode before or since like this. Certainly we can all flip letters on the fly but:

As I said; I was able to do this 6 or 7 times in under five minutes each time looking slowly and cautiously for this controversial 't' IN ALL FOUR PLACES.

My leading theory was that I was being graced (aided) to learn that this reality is plastic and that we with our attention can control it. Now, normally this flipping is not within my control, but I was in this case temporarily empowered with control to expand my understanding of reality as I have been indoctrinated to understand it. Time to further my understanding. Consciousness somehow creates what we experience.

I do understand these claims are only compelling to the experiencer. There is nothing I can do about that.

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Ok, thanks for your additional explanation, that possibility is consistent with the development of astral functioning. The astral world indeed has 'plasticity', and mastery of manipulation of it is one of the siddhis. In this case the rearrangement of the astral causal counterpart of the physical effect, ie, the alphabetical letters, would create a different effect to be seen in the physical. It seems to me that though you would not necessarily be aware, astral vision would be required in addition to the ability to manipulate the astral essence. And that's ok, the 'I' of the physical body needs to take a back seat to real spiritual development.

KenS said:

Because it is the Hebrew term for the anointed one, like unto Moses, that would come... the Messiah. (Jesus - The Christ - Greek term for anointed)

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("Joseph the Blessings" does not obtain the title of "Messiah", anointed of heaven and "Earth", that is apart of the reason why we have the genealogy of Matthew for the Old Testament, and the Genealogy of Luke for the New Testament)

(Moses was pulled out of the pool of Joseph's 430 Year Reign in Egypt, from that reign of 14 Dynasties ................ the Antichrist was chosen to "Confirm the Covenant", not to make signs or wonders, according to the prophet daniel when we see this issue of Messiah officially addressed)

(There's a Reason for that, Joseph is not being judged by the earth technically, the salvation is already complete...........God used Aaron technically, as a picture of the "Messiah", shortly before his sin progressed into the enemy of god and the enemy of man, in the terms of the gospel's law, the tribes in question are each subject to Jesus at some point, and that is the point when Aaron fell from grace during its cycle) (Aaron the Enemy of God and Man, and Genetic Dan the Enemy of God and Man, yes, you don't have any strength and you will pass away easy during these seven years, right now, the only reason I am not very comfortable floating around somewhere, until you pass away, is based solely on the level force used against me, as we continue to see what is necessary, and without a sign of divorce, just another missing persons, as we continue to see what is necessary)

(God shifted the why he identified with his mercy from wives, to the "deadly head wound" as a consequence of "Joseph the Blessings", to reveal the wickedness of mean, shortly before global euthanasia takes place)

(INRI - I*/Rape/M*, includes male rape, and it also includes blasphemy.................these are substitutes for pleasure, satan uses to try to evade being cut of spiritually, when God stops some of that behavior, that is when satan will look for payment of its sin)

(Genetic Dan's Population is more diseased than usual, it may not develop rabies officially before it dies, but it will kill more. To offset that at the global level, its appears korea is chosen as payment for sin............take the greatest sinner of the sinners and put it to death, then satan takes on the appearance of righteousness)

(9/11/2001 of the Falling Man was Answered on March 8, 2014 with Flight 370, illustrating the connection between the "Deadly Head Wound", you want a sign of divorce you have to eliminate genetic dan's population at the global level in sufficient numbers, right now, picking up sticks is the reason satan wants korea dead, and used as payment for sin)

(Seven Years of Prayer Only, God has answered INRI, the level of euthanasia God uses with the ethnics is good and sound, and it will continue based on the level of force until global euthanasia is completed) (if you don't want to pray, then you can suffer, or use them as targets with the Antichrist by getting them to use force against him, whoever he is) (everything is settled and resolved, we'll see what comes up after 9/23/2017)

(If you don't challenge God over payment for sin, then, Genetic Dan may develop full blown and incurable, rabies in a few months, that's not a guarantee, but they already behave that way with the Two Witnesses/Antichrist, in full view of the public, in full view of the authorities, but this has not been handed to you yet, at this level) (you already lost by using force against the Antichrist, that completes and satisfies the law)

(there's no sin involved, in God's euthanasia program with the Two Witnesses/Antichrist, so they won't go after that, or God's Mercies, so they won't go after that also. That is good for the faithful, they will continue to go after korea, and they may have it soon) (then like nothing has happened, until everything is finished and 153 days begins)

George-ananda said:

It seems very strange to me that the word messiah is nowhere NOW in the KJV New Testament but I am not an old-school bible student. Anyone?

Did God take it out to modernize Christianity?

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Hi there,

The Greek word for Messiah is Χριστός which is Christ and I can prove this. Ya know the verse from Daniel which mentions the Messiah? Daniel 9:25 says:

"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times." Daniel 9:25

Now here is the same verse from the Septuagint (Greek Old Testament) which they finished translating from the Hebrew in 132BC:

"καὶ γνώσῃ καὶ συνήσεις· ἀπὸ ἐξόδου λόγου τοῦ ἀποκριθῆναι καὶ τοῦ οἰκοδομῆσαι Ιερουσαλημ ἕως χριστοῦ ἡγουμένου ἑβδομάδες ἑπτὰ καὶ ἑβδομάδες ἑξήκοντα δύο· καὶ ἐπιστρέψει καὶ οἰκοδομηθήσεται πλατεῖα καὶ τεῖχος, καὶ ἐκκενωθήσονται οἱ καιροί." Daniel 9:25

Anyone can check this themselves using the free e-sword bible program from e-Sword: Bible Study for the PC.

So feel free to tell these people that the word Messiah is in the New Testament 569 times in it's Greek-to-English form which is Christ!

Hope this was helpful.

George-ananda said:

I just read on another forum that some people are saying the word Messiah (Messias) does not appear anywhere in the KJV New Testament. Some people claim it used to.

I am not asking here if the KJV could or has changed.

What I am asking for is the opinion of people who are well-versed in Bible studies. Does it seem reasonable to your memory to believe Jesus was never discussed in the context of the word 'Messiah' in the KJV New Testament? Or that the word 'Messiah' does not appear at all in the KJV New Testament?

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Not sure about Messiah reference.... my book shows Messiah. I have heard of things flipping back and forth... I’ll check again in a week.

But I have been dealing with bible changes for the last two weeks. And I have made friends check their bibles. The older the better (my grandfather Bible is over 60 years old and has all of these “changes”)

Lion lays down with the lamb (now the wolf lays with the lamb) in Isaiah 11:6

Mary holding an alabaster box (instead of a jar), she “brake the box” and poured it on his head

Bottles replacing wine skins

In some (not all) Matrix replacing womb (Exodus)

Possessions replaced by stuff (example Ezekiel 12:3)

Corn replacing Grain

Meat replaces food/feast

Parable of the Fig Tree Matthew 24:36 should say “no ONE knows, not the angels of heaven, NOT EVEN THE SON (or JESUS), but my Father only.

References to dragon in 7 or more places (for instance Job 30:29)

Reference to a unicorn (Psalm 92:10)

In the book Habakkuk God came from Teman, the Holy One from Mount Paran and he has horns coming out of his hands

Deuteronomy has multiple references to sware (swearing by God?)

Numbers talks of nursing fathers beareth the sucking child

Luke the Holy One is referred to as “the Holy thing”

The Lords Prayer is wrong.... “in earth” as opposed to “on earth”

In Psalms 89:49 it states “Lord, where are thy former lovingkindnesses, which thou swarest unto David in thy truth?”

Ezekiel 39:17 and 19 talks of eating flesh and drinking blood.... not to mention the grammatical errors

Zechariah 11:9 did not make since... nor did 11:16

Emoticons Luke 2:23 found in other places as well.... not sure why things are in parenthesis but when they are they are emoticonned

I have learned that if the paragraph is grammatically incorrect there is usually something wrong in the paragraph. Words changed or removed, meanings twisted.

It is absolutely crazy....
And when I try to tell people I sound crazy.
And I know how ludicrous it is. And when I doubt I remember that the LION lays with the lamb no matter how wrong google tells me I am.

The Lion has become my touchstone for reality.

Found hundreds of discrepancies involving company names (Victoria’s Secret, O’Reilly, JcPenny), actor names changing (Barbra Streisand? Lynda Carter? Gilbert Gottfried? ), Betty Page is now Bettie Page?, song lyrics changed (California Dreamin ... I got down on my knees and BEGAN to pray.... now PRETEND to pray.... Prince- Let’s go Crazy... we are gathered here to CELEBRATE this thing called life is now GET THROUGH this thing called life..... Twelve Days of Christmas.... lyrics changed... my true love GAVE to me is now SENT to me....

Did anyone know that the Statue of Liberty was never on Ellis Island?.... has always been on Liberty Island. Did you also know that the Germans succeeded in setting off bombs on American Soil which damaged the torch of the Statue of Liberty resulting in no one being able to enter the torch since then... how many of you remember physically going to the torch? Apparently not.

Did you know that the SPEAR OF DESTINY is now called the Holy Lance?

The statue THE THINKER... now poses with his chin resting on his fist... remember when it was his forehead?

The statue CHRIST THE REDEEMER... did his toes show at the base or not?

That Thanksgiving has been the FOURTH Thursday of November since the 1940’s.... funny as I was taught in school the THIRD Thursday and I was born in 1969....

You can look but you will NOT find ONE car, no matter how old the car, with the warning “Objects in Mirror MAY be closer than they appear”.... it is and always has been “...ARE closer...”

...in this reality.

MandelaEffected said:

Not sure about Messiah reference.... my book shows Messiah. I have heard of things flipping back and forth... I’ll check again in a week.

But I have been dealing with bible changes for the last two weeks. And I have made friends check their bibles. The older the better (my grandfather Bible is over 60 years old and has all of these “changes”)

Lion lays down with the lamb (now the wolf lays with the lamb) in Isaiah 11:6

Mary holding an alabaster box (instead of a jar), she “brake the box” and poured it on his head

Bottles replacing wine skins

In some (not all) Matrix replacing womb (Exodus)

Possessions replaced by stuff (example Ezekiel 12:3)

Corn replacing Grain

Meat replaces food/feast

Parable of the Fig Tree Matthew 24:36 should say “no ONE knows, not the angels of heaven, NOT EVEN THE SON (or JESUS), but my Father only.

References to dragon in 7 or more places (for instance Job 30:29)

Reference to a unicorn (Psalm 92:10)

In the book Habakkuk God came from Teman, the Holy One from Mount Paran and he has horns coming out of his hands

Deuteronomy has multiple references to sware (swearing by God?)

Numbers talks of nursing fathers beareth the sucking child

Luke the Holy One is referred to as “the Holy thing”

The Lords Prayer is wrong.... “in earth” as opposed to “on earth”

In Psalms 89:49 it states “Lord, where are thy former lovingkindnesses, which thou swarest unto David in thy truth?”

Ezekiel 39:17 and 19 talks of eating flesh and drinking blood.... not to mention the grammatical errors

Zechariah 11:9 did not make since... nor did 11:16

Emoticons Luke 2:23 found in other places as well.... not sure why things are in parenthesis but when they are they are emoticonned

I have learned that if the paragraph is grammatically incorrect there is usually something wrong in the paragraph. Words changed or removed, meanings twisted.

It is absolutely crazy....
And when I try to tell people I sound crazy.
And I know how ludicrous it is. And when I doubt I remember that the LION lays with the lamb no matter how wrong google tells me I am.

The Lion has become my touchstone for reality.

Found hundreds of discrepancies involving company names (Victoria’s Secret, O’Reilly, JcPenny), actor names changing (Barbra Streisand? Lynda Carter? Gilbert Gottfried? ), Betty Page is now Bettie Page?, song lyrics changed (California Dreamin ... I got down on my knees and BEGAN to pray.... now PRETEND to pray.... Prince- Let’s go Crazy... we are gathered here to CELEBRATE this thing called life is now GET THROUGH this thing called life..... Twelve Days of Christmas.... lyrics changed... my true love GAVE to me is now SENT to me....

Did anyone know that the Statue of Liberty was never on Ellis Island?.... has always been on Liberty Island. Did you also know that the Germans succeeded in setting off bombs on American Soil which damaged the torch of the Statue of Liberty resulting in no one being able to enter the torch since then... how many of you remember physically going to the torch? Apparently not.

Did you know that the SPEAR OF DESTINY is now called the Holy Lance?

The statue THE THINKER... now poses with his chin resting on his fist... remember when it was his forehead?

The statue CHRIST THE REDEEMER... did his toes show at the base or not?

That Thanksgiving has been the FOURTH Thursday of November since the 1940’s.... funny as I was taught in school the THIRD Thursday and I was born in 1969....

You can look but you will NOT find ONE car, no matter how old the car, with the warning “Objects in Mirror MAY be closer than they appear”.... it is and always has been “...ARE closer...”

...in this reality.

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As your name is MandelaEffected you must check out this thread I started!

George-ananda said:

I just read on another forum that some people are saying the word Messiah (Messias) does not appear anywhere in the KJV New Testament. Some people claim it used to.

I am not asking here if the KJV could or has changed.

What I am asking for is the opinion of people who are well-versed in Bible studies. Does it seem reasonable to your memory to believe Jesus was never discussed in the context of the word 'Messiah' in the KJV New Testament? Or that the word 'Messiah' does not appear at all in the KJV New Testament?

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In the New Testament in the book of
John 1:41 & 4:25, you will find your answer.

In the Strong's Concordance of the Greek translation 3323 & the Hebrew 4899.
Messiah being one who is Anointed.
Messiah being the Christ, John 4:25.

If you take Note in John 4:25 --"The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias comes, Which is called Christ, When he is come, he will tell us all things"

This woman being a Samaritan
back in Verse 7.

Note that she said, "he will tell us all things"

Note Christ Jesus speaking, saying, in the book of Mark 13:23--"But take you heed: behold, I have foretold you all things"

Since Christ Jesus has foretold all things, and if a prophet comes to give prophecy about the end times tribulation.

Christ Jesus has already beaten them to it, By saying, that He has foretold all things concerning the end times tribulation.

Therefore Christ Jesus has Proven them to be a false prophet.

That everything that a person needs to know about the end times tribulation, is all Written down throughout the New Testaments, from the book of Matthew to Revelation.Therefore Christ Jesus has foretold all things about the end times tribulation. From the book of Matthew to Revelation.

[KJV+] John 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
[KJV+] John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
The above verses tells us that they were waiting for the messias, which is a Greek word for the Hebrew word Mashiyach. It is the scribes that tell us that they want to use the Greek word Christos or Christ instead. It is a subtle form of brain washing. Another point I want to say is that the name Jesus comes from the Greek name Iesous. But the true Hebrew name of the Messiah is Yehowshuwa.