Christ's return

Booko · Apr 22, 2006

kassi said:
:flower: Hi Bruce, You are absolutly right, For I am now understanding alot of the old testament in the spiritual but their were certainly some very literal scriptures,that were fulfilled his first appearance, It is knowing whats what that matters and this can only come from the revalation of God. I am learning not to think to highly of what I think I know. Im just a babe in Christ.:flower:

There may be some wisdom in looking at the first coming of Christ to get maybe some idea what might happen the second time around.

Clearly there were some prophecies that were not fulfilled literally (like John the Baptist being Elijah, or Jesus being a literal "king"), and then there were some that were fulfilled literally 'by his stripes we are healed" oh and I'm sure there are a tonne of others, but I drove 6 hours today and my brain has shut down by now.

Anyway, if the 2nd coming is anything like the 1st, it would probably have a mix of literal and metaphorical fulfillments of prophecies.

In a way, it makes sense. I mean, if everything were fulfilled literally, how could you tell the sheep from the goats?

Did you see or read the "Left Behind" series? I've seen the first 3 movies (Netflix is a wonderful thing), and the biggest thing that bothered me about the 1st flick is when people disappear all over, with only their clothes behind, and all the ones left behind are going "DUH!" like they'd all never heard of the rapture? I mean this would be so obvious...who wouldn't get it???

Seriously, the sheep will know their master's voice, whether the voice is reciting poetry or prose.

lunamoth · Apr 22, 2006

Booko said:
In a way, it makes sense. I mean, if everything were fulfilled literally, how could you tell the sheep from the goats?

Here's a way.

31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' 46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

peace,
lunamoth

Booko · Apr 23, 2006

lunamoth said:
Here's a way.

1"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' 46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

True enough!

Although the lesson I usually took from this passage is the importance of humility. I mean, the sheep think they're goats and the goats think they're sheep?

Not that my pov means that much, as this passage has a lot of things to say beyond the one thing I took from it.

Ody · Apr 23, 2006

kassi said:
I believe that the old testament explains everything about christ, an example of the things he would fullfill. Christs first appeance was for sin, his second appearance for salvation of believers and all Israel. Moses first appeared to his brethren to reconcile them. you must first be reconciled to your brethren before you are reconciled to God.
As Moses was first rejected so was Christ, as Moses went and recieved a wife for himself so did christ, His body the chrurch. But as a Virgin awaits her bridegroom so do we. AS Moses was on the mountain in the presence of God so christ is at the right hand of God as Moses came off the Mountain with Glory So that the children of Israel
could not steadly look at his face So i also beleive Christ will return with much more Glory. We await the Messiah, the savior of the Body.

Lol the ot Moshiach is supposed to come just ONCE, and he is supposed to be of man and not G-d

BTW The OT Moshiach is supposed to bring peace to all of the earth, the first time he comes.........

Ramacharaka · Apr 23, 2006

Pee Wee Herman

Ramacharaka · Apr 23, 2006

Archie didn't have any kids and looked Israeli, unlike Herman.

Ramacharaka · Apr 23, 2006

Thats why Archie got to meet Stansfeld Jones (Frater Achad, grail author)
http://www.hermetic.com/browe-archive/achdindx.htm

Ramacharaka · Apr 23, 2006

I'm very good friends with Brian.
He grew up on the other side of the block from Archie's old house.

Ori · Apr 23, 2006

Jesus won't return 'cos I fried his *** with lightning bolts!

Mwahahahahahahahaahhahhaha!

joeboonda · Apr 23, 2006

kassi said:
Who on RF is waiting for and looking forward to Christ' return?

I am looking for that 'blessed hope of every believer', which I call 'the rapture'. I believe it will take place before the Great Seven Year Tribulation, afterwhich, Jesus will come and set up His Millenial Kingdom. I believe the Rapture is 'imminent', that it could happen at any time, quite possibly in my lifetime unless Jesus tarries so that more may be saved. It is a very joyful part of many Christians beliefs, that first and foremost, Christ loves us and will never leave us nor forsake us, nor cast us out, that we are secure and assured of our salvation as it is a free gift we accepted at some time, and second that we may never experience physical death, although some Christians want to experience the 'whole deal', I would rather be raptured up if I had the choice. That is just my belief.

standing_alone · Apr 23, 2006

kassi said:
Who on RF is waiting for and looking forward to Christ' return. I am most of the time, because for me it is the completeness of my salvation.

I am! I hope he brings back some souvinirs, post cards, and snapshots to share with us!

But in all seriousness, I'm not waiting. I don't believe in Jesus, at least not that he was a god or anything.

Booko · Apr 23, 2006

standing_alone said:
I am! I hope he brings back some souvinirs, post cards, and snapshots to share with us!

Would you settle for a postcard from me from Hell, Michigan? :jiggy:

DTrent · Jun 15, 2006

Booko said:
What specific prophecies lead you to 1914? Is it the reference to the "abomination of desolation" in Daniel, or other things as well? Thanks.

Matt.24:3-14; Luke 21:7-13; 2Tim.3:1-5
When have you seen ALL these things occur at the same time??
Ever since WW1, 1914. That's the simple explanation. If you want to get into specific dates, we can look at it this way:
"Seven times" = 7x360=2,520 yrs. (A Biblical "time", or yr = 12x30 days=360 (Rev.11:2,3; 12:6,14) In the fulfillment of the "seven times" each day equals one yr. (Ezek.4:6; Num.14:34)
Early Oct, 607 BCE, to Dec.31, 607 BCE = 1/4 yr.
Jan. 1, 606 BCE, to Dec.31, 1 BCE = 606 yrs.
Jan. 1, 1 CE, to Dec.31, 1913 = 1,913 yrs.
Jan. 1, 1914 to early Oct, 1914 = 3/4 yr
______
Total: 2,520 yrs.

Referring to Daniel, pls see Dan.4:1-17, 20-37.
What had happened in 1914 (besides WW1) was that Jehovah God entrusted rulership over mankind to his own Son, Jesus Christ, glorified in the heavens. Becuz of the war that broke out in heaven over this, we see the turmoil here on earth. Satan & his demons being thrown down in this vicinity is to blame. (Rev.12:12) Christ did not immediately proceed to destroy all who refused to acknowledge his Father's sovereignty & himself as Messiah. Instead, as he had foretold, a global preaching work was to be done. (Matt.24:14) As King, he would direct a dividing of peoples of all nations, those proving to be righteous being granted the prospect of everlasting life, & the wicked being consigned to everlasting cutting-off in death. (Matt.25:31-46) In the meantime, the difficult conditions we see on the earth continue to prevail.

uu_sage · Jun 16, 2006

Not looking forward to it. I don't believe in the divinity of Jesus. I see him as a prophet, and a great teacher but certainly not God. The second coming has caused so much fear and anxiety as the belief in a literal hell. People should not be influenced by fear to what's right they should do it because it feels right. As Jewscout mentioned earlier, the messiah is based on Jewish criteria, not Christian. If the person who claims to be messiah does not meet but one point of that list they are not the messiah. Other points mentioned in the criteria are: 1.Weapons of war will be destroyed. 2. Jews will know the Torah without study 3. Israeli cities will be restored. So by the standards mentioned earlier and the ones I have given, Jesus is not the messiah.

Doktormartini · Jun 16, 2006

Nope! I believe Jesus was just a regular man! Sure, he probably was a good guy that did good things, but I don't think he resurrected and I don't think he will come again...sorry!

DTrent · Jul 31, 2006

uu_sage said:
Not looking forward to it. I don't believe in the divinity of Jesus. I see him as a prophet, and a great teacher but certainly not God. The second coming has caused so much fear and anxiety as the belief in a literal hell. People should not be influenced by fear to what's right they should do it because it feels right. As Jewscout mentioned earlier, the messiah is based on Jewish criteria, not Christian. If the person who claims to be messiah does not meet but one point of that list they are not the messiah. Other points mentioned in the criteria are: 1.Weapons of war will be destroyed. 2. Jews will know the Torah without study 3. Israeli cities will be restored. So by the standards mentioned earlier and the ones I have given, Jesus is not the messiah.

Don't know if your post was to me or not but I have to ask - Where in the Holy Scriptures are those 3 criteria you mentioned?? I've never heard/seen/read of them before. Since Jesus does indeed fit ALL the criteria WRITTEN IN THE SCRIPTURES so that people may know who the Messiah really is, Christians as well as Jews today can recognize him. (As for a literal fiery hell you mentioned, such is not a Bible teaching.:no: )

uu_sage · Jul 31, 2006

No, the message was not referring to you. I was posting my belief in a human Jesus and that Jesus is not the messiah. And in that same message I was saying the messiah belief has promoted so much fear as the orthodox belief in a literal hell. As a Universalist I don't believe in hell.

DTrent · Oct 25, 2006

uu_sage said:
No, the message was not referring to you. I was posting my belief in a human Jesus and that Jesus is not the messiah. And in that same message I was saying the messiah belief has promoted so much fear as the orthodox belief in a literal hell. As a Universalist I don't believe in hell.

I don't believe in a fiery hell either since it is not a Bible teaching.
As for Jesus not being the Messiah (in your eyes), WHO do you believe he was/is?
Many say 'he was a good man', which is what the Bible says alot of people would say about him if they did not agree with his teachings.
What say you?

Hema · Oct 25, 2006

Hindus also believe that an avatar of God will return. It was promised by Shri Krishna in the Bhagvad Gita. For Hindus, the last avatar in this age will be called Kalki Avatar. This age is called Kalyug- the dark age; where there is a lot of unrighteousness. Different religions call God by different names but God is one and I do believe that He will return as an Avatar to reinforce righteousness. Yes I do look forward.

CanuckRasta · Oct 26, 2006

Christ has already come again.

Christ nah come again as a Lamb to be slaughtered, but as a Lion to CONQUER!

"The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined." - Isaiah 9:2

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of JAH will perform this." - Isaiah 9:6-7

In my humble, Rastafarian opinion of course. JAH JAH is the Ruler!!

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