Avatars of Vishnu, one of them Buddha, are often accompanied by the great Nagas who are the protectors of them.
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Jesus vs Buddha
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He's a deity. He's called as "Bhagavan" in Buddhist texts, just like Bhagavan Shiva, Bhagavan Vishnu..
Buddha and Yeshua taught the same in my opinion, it is the religions that were created around them that taught differently.
Both taught selflessness, to seek enlightenment, that works lead to salvation, that none attachment leads to the divine, to meditate, give up wealth, to work toward Oneness as the ultimate goal.
Father
Devourer of Truth
wait really? thought Buddhism and Hinduism were two different things
though he does have some magic abilities and such so not too far off
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What were the actual teachings of Jesus Christ and Siddartha Gautama, such that one can draw comparisons/contrasts?
Neither one wrote anything themselves in their lifetimes which has come down to us.
For Christ, scholars have identified the Q Sayings Source underlying the Synoptics - along with the substance of the Markan gospel and some elements of the Johanine Jesus - as the earliest strata of sayings attributed to him.
For the Buddha, the earliest layer of the Pali Canon is thought to be the Aṭṭhakavagga (Pali, "Octet Chapter") and the Pārāyanavagga (Pali, "Way to the Far Shore Chapter"), two small collections of suttas that hark back to "pre-sectarian Buddhism".
I suppose, one could compare both of these:
The Sayings Gospel Q
Sutta Nipata: The Sutta Collection
Given its lack of doctrinal formulations and numerous allusions to Q, the Epistle of James in the New Testament is also a very good summation, from somewhat later in the first century but from the same primitive Jewish-Christian milieu, of the ethical framework and beliefs of Jesus:
Epistle of James - Wikipedia
Here's a brief summary of the reconstructed Q:
IQP Q Text (English)
Atthakavagga | Pali Meditations
Neither one wrote anything themselves in their lifetimes which has come down to us.
For Christ, scholars have identified the Q Sayings Source underlying the Synoptics - along with the substance of the Markan gospel and some elements of the Johanine Jesus - as the earliest strata of sayings attributed to him.
For the Buddha, the earliest layer of the Pali Canon is thought to be the Aṭṭhakavagga (Pali, "Octet Chapter") and the Pārāyanavagga (Pali, "Way to the Far Shore Chapter"), two small collections of suttas that hark back to "pre-sectarian Buddhism".
I suppose, one could compare both of these:
The Sayings Gospel Q
Sutta Nipata: The Sutta Collection
Given its lack of doctrinal formulations and numerous allusions to Q, the Epistle of James in the New Testament is also a very good summation, from somewhat later in the first century but from the same primitive Jewish-Christian milieu, of the ethical framework and beliefs of Jesus:
Epistle of James - Wikipedia
The content of James is directly parallel, in many instances, to sayings of Jesus found in the gospels of Luke and Matthew, i.e., those attributed to the Q Source. Compare, e.g., "Do not swear at all, either by heaven...or by the earth....Let your word be 'Yes, Yes' or 'No, No'; anything more than this comes from the evil one" (Matthew 5:34, 37) and "...do not swear either by heaven or by earth or by any other oath, but let your 'Yes' be yes and your 'No' be no, so that you may not fall under condemnation" (James 5:12). According to James Tabor, the epistle of James contains "no fewer than thirty direct references, echoes, and allusions to the teachings of Jesus found in the Q source."[20]
To read James, the best translation is the NRSV:
oremus Bible Browser : James
To read James, the best translation is the NRSV:
oremus Bible Browser : James
Here's a brief summary of the reconstructed Q:
IQP Q Text (English)
The Sayings Gospel Q is an archaic collection of sayings ascribed to Jesus, even older than the Gospels in the New Testament. In fact, it is the oldest Gospel of Christianity. Yet it is not in the New Testament itself. Rather, it was known to, and used by, the Evangelists of the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, and then lost from sight...
A more precise determination of the time of composition must remain hypothetical, but a few indications point to the period between 40 and 50 CE...
The Sayings Gospel Q contains some of the most memorable of Jesus’ sayings. It is thanks to Q 11:2b-4 that we know the Lord’s Prayer. Q presents it in a more original form than what we use in our liturgy today. (We use Matthew’s revision of the Q Prayer: Matt 6:9-13). Q also preserves for us the certainty of the answer to prayer (ask, search, knock, for a caring Father does provide, Q 11:9-13), the beatitudes (Q 6:20-23), the love of enemies (Q 6:27-28, 35c-d), turning the other cheek, giving the shirt off one’s back, going the second mile, giving, expecting nothing in return (Q 6:29-30), the golden rule (Q 6:31), the tree known by its fruit (Q 6:43-45), indeed most of what we think of as the Sermon on the Mount—and more: storing up treasures in heaven (Q 12:33-34), free from anxiety like ravens and lilies (Q 12:22b-31), taking one’s cross (Q 114:27), losing one’s life to save it (Q 17:33), parables of the mustard seed Q 13:18-19), the yeast (Q 13:20), the invited dinner guests (Q 14:16-23), the lost sheep (Q 15:4-7), the lost coin (Q 15:8-10), the entrusted money (Q 19:12-26).
Brief summaries of the earliest Buddhist texts:A more precise determination of the time of composition must remain hypothetical, but a few indications point to the period between 40 and 50 CE...
The Sayings Gospel Q contains some of the most memorable of Jesus’ sayings. It is thanks to Q 11:2b-4 that we know the Lord’s Prayer. Q presents it in a more original form than what we use in our liturgy today. (We use Matthew’s revision of the Q Prayer: Matt 6:9-13). Q also preserves for us the certainty of the answer to prayer (ask, search, knock, for a caring Father does provide, Q 11:9-13), the beatitudes (Q 6:20-23), the love of enemies (Q 6:27-28, 35c-d), turning the other cheek, giving the shirt off one’s back, going the second mile, giving, expecting nothing in return (Q 6:29-30), the golden rule (Q 6:31), the tree known by its fruit (Q 6:43-45), indeed most of what we think of as the Sermon on the Mount—and more: storing up treasures in heaven (Q 12:33-34), free from anxiety like ravens and lilies (Q 12:22b-31), taking one’s cross (Q 114:27), losing one’s life to save it (Q 17:33), parables of the mustard seed Q 13:18-19), the yeast (Q 13:20), the invited dinner guests (Q 14:16-23), the lost sheep (Q 15:4-7), the lost coin (Q 15:8-10), the entrusted money (Q 19:12-26).
Atthakavagga | Pali Meditations
The consensus view seems to be that the fourth and fifth chapters (vaggas) of the Sutta Nipata, denominated the Parayanavagga and the Atthakavagga,[3] are amongst the oldest if not the oldest canonical texts to survive today. It is therefore interesting to examine the teachings of these texts, considering the possibility that they are close to, if not identical with, the original teachings of the historical Buddha.
According to Lebkowicz, Ditrich, and Pecenko, they are pre-monastic. Fausböll says that “we see here a picture not of life in monasteries, but of the life of hermits in its first stage. We have before us not the systematizing of the later Buddhist church, but the first germs of a system, the fundamental ideas of which come out with sufficient clearness.” Alexander Wynne, citing the Atthakavagga, suggests that “much of what is found in the Suttapiṭaka is earlier than c. 250 B.C., perhaps even more than 100 years older than this,” i.e., circa 350 BCE at least. This is 54 years after the parinibbana, for which Wynne accepts Gombrich’s date of 404 BCE. If we allow a margin for error of about twenty years, this is 30 to 80 AB approximately. In the Christian tradition, this would correspond to the late canonical period (approx. 60–110 CE).[4]
Atthakavagga and Parayanavagga - Chinese Buddhist Encyclopedia
According to Lebkowicz, Ditrich, and Pecenko, they are pre-monastic. Fausböll says that “we see here a picture not of life in monasteries, but of the life of hermits in its first stage. We have before us not the systematizing of the later Buddhist church, but the first germs of a system, the fundamental ideas of which come out with sufficient clearness.” Alexander Wynne, citing the Atthakavagga, suggests that “much of what is found in the Suttapiṭaka is earlier than c. 250 B.C., perhaps even more than 100 years older than this,” i.e., circa 350 BCE at least. This is 54 years after the parinibbana, for which Wynne accepts Gombrich’s date of 404 BCE. If we allow a margin for error of about twenty years, this is 30 to 80 AB approximately. In the Christian tradition, this would correspond to the late canonical period (approx. 60–110 CE).[4]
Atthakavagga and Parayanavagga - Chinese Buddhist Encyclopedia
The Aṭṭhakavagga and the Pārāyanavagga tend more strongly to emphasize the negative sides of asceticism (i.e., asceticism as a process of negating desire), and show a strong concern with regulating everyday bodily activities and sexual desires. According to some scholars, they also place considerable emphasis on the rejection of all views, and are reluctant to put forward positions of their own regarding basic metaphysical issues. This has caused some commentators (Gomez 1976) to compare them to later Madhyamakaphilosophy, which in its Prasaṅgika Form especially makes a method of rejecting others' views rather than proposing its own.
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BilliardsBall
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Man has asked this question since the dawn of time. never fully getting the answer they are looking for...
Which religion is truly the religion of peace?
Which is better. Wine? or Rice? (actually a good question, I like both so...)
Walking on water? or teleporting across the water? (think Buddha did that once, he has way too many abilities)
Which is the better Way? the son of Yahweh? (hehe yah way get it?)
Or founder of the Way? (far older religion)
also, what is that disk thing behind Buddha's head I've seen it before. is it like the disks from Tron is it a weapon? seriously what is it?
And why is Jesus Nordic?
so many questions.
Buddhism is the religion of "nothing is real, so don't get involved". Technically, a devout Buddhist can say they won't give money to hurricane survivors, because the suffering caused by the hurricane is an illusion.
Jesus, by contrast, taught how trusting Him is a special peace that the rest of the world and its pleasures cannot provide.
You have Buddhism confused with something else, probably Advaita. First Noble Truth: The Truth of Suffering
What you said about Buddhism is in no way true.
Ponder This
Well-Known Member
Buddha, since he was a warrior when young.
Or... Jesus might turn the water into wine. Buddha can't refuse the gift. They get drunk together and Buddha dies of alcohol poisoning.
The question is where are they now. If they do care about humans and they are powerful super beings, they should come and guide humans. They should so especially when they claim to be loving. What prevents them from showing in front of humans and guide them and help them?
Jesus needs to hide behind as a requirement of a covenant between God and man, as the covenant specifies that mankind will have to rely on faith to be saved. If Jesus shows up in front of humans, it only means that He's not loving as no man can be saved by faith any more.
How about Buddha?
Jesus needs to hide behind as a requirement of a covenant between God and man, as the covenant specifies that mankind will have to rely on faith to be saved. If Jesus shows up in front of humans, it only means that He's not loving as no man can be saved by faith any more.
How about Buddha?
I don't see "vs." Existing in either Buddha or jesus only in people's minds that are not them.Man has asked this question since the dawn of time. never fully getting the answer they are looking for...
Which religion is truly the religion of peace?
Which is better. Wine? or Rice? (actually a good question, I like both so...)
Walking on water? or teleporting across the water? (think Buddha did that once, he has way too many abilities)
Which is the better Way? the son of Yahweh? (hehe yah way get it?)
Or founder of the Way? (far older religion)
also, what is that disk thing behind Buddha's head I've seen it before. is it like the disks from Tron is it a weapon? seriously what is it?
And why is Jesus Nordic?
so many questions.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Not true.
True.
If dharma taught "nothing is real", then one could simply not function at all. What it does teach is that our perceptions are just that-- perceptions-- which can be wrong at times because of interference from our attachments. Get rid of the attachments, then our perceptions will likely improve.
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BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
I earned good grades in my Bachelor's including Buddhism course work. I have presented my conundrum to Buddhists, who--if they are devout in their studies--understand that suffering is an illusion.
Some of what I'm saying is reflected in the low response rate of Buddhist groups, even Buddhist nations, to recent hurricanes and typhoons. My spouse was one of tens of thousands of non-Buddhists, for example, who went to help non-imaginary suffering hundreds of miles from home for a week.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
I earned good grades in my Bachelor's including Buddhism course work. I have presented my conundrum to Buddhists, who--if they are devout in their studies--understand that suffering is an illusion.
Some of what I'm saying is reflected in the low response rate of Buddhist groups, even Buddhist nations, to recent hurricanes and typhoons. My spouse was one of tens of thousands of non-Buddhists, for example, who went to help non-imaginary suffering hundreds of miles from home for a week.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
I earned good grades in my Bachelor's including Buddhism course work. I have presented my conundrum to Buddhists, who--if they are devout in their studies--understand that suffering is an illusion.
Some of what I'm saying is reflected in the low response rate of Buddhist groups, even Buddhist nations, to recent hurricanes and typhoons. My spouse was one of tens of thousands of non-Buddhists, for example, who went to help non-imaginary suffering hundreds of miles from home for a week.
First Noble truth is the reality of suffering. You must have studied in a very poor religious course.
Buddhist nations are in general much poorer than Christian ones. The rich Buddhist nation like Japan and South Korea help quite a lot. They use state based systems of aid rather than missionary based charities. This reflects the difference in approach in Dharmic religions who often pay higher taxes to state which is considered responsible for handling international aid efforts.
Development Assistance from Japan
Japan is the second largest aid donor in the world. Over the past 30 years, it has provided over $200 billion to development as part of its official assistance program. While the top recipients of Japan's aid are primarily countries in East and South East Asia, it is also one of the largest donors in several African countries.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yes and no, and it's important to know why the difference.
Pathetic stereotype.
Maybe read sayak's post and realize that you really do not understand dharma much at all. If you were to be correct on your previous post, a Buddhist could never do anything because they could never use any perception whatsoever. That's illogical.
Read sayak's last post and maybe use this as a resource: BuddhaNet - Worldwide Buddhist Information and Education Network