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Did God Want Jesus to be crucified?

If you are Christian, do you believe God wanted Christ to be crucified?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 85.7%
  • No

    Votes: 2 14.3%

  • Total voters
    14

Spiderman

Veteran Member
This question is for Christians. It was brought to my attention that some Christians don't believe God wanted Christ to be crucified.

I just don't know how a person could make the argument that God didn't want it.

Didn't Jesus make it clear that that was part of his Ministry to be a sacrificial lamb and suffer and die for sin to be atoned? When it was time for him to die, he said "now has the time come for the son of man to be glorified". He spoke about it like it was a good thing. In the end it glorified him.

If you don't believe God wanted Christ to be crucified, please give your reason and explanation. Thank you.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
If you don't believe God wanted Christ to be crucified, please give your reason and explanation.
Not sure of a specific reference to crucified in the texts, Isaiah 53, etc; yet 'put to death with the wicked' is quite clear...

'It pleased God to crush him'... Is again a very bold statement that it was predetermined...

Yet the context of what happens because of it tho, is far more complex, and thus proves its validity by its preciseness.

In my opinion. :innocent:

To say God broke the 6th commandment isn't viable; thus we've got to question, what other contexts apply, according to the prophecies in the Tanakh, it was the leaders of the people who paid the small price (Zechariah 11) divorcing themselves, and causing their own destruction (Daniel 9).

Also saying the employed Roman executioners committed the crime is silly.

Psalms 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.

Personally find it like a riddle with a clear answer, yet most want a simple solution to a complex puzzle. :)
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
This question is for Christians. It was brought to my attention that some Christians don't believe God wanted Christ to be crucified.

I just don't know how a person could make the argument that God didn't want it.

Didn't Jesus make it clear that that was part of his Ministry to be a sacrificial lamb and suffer and die for sin to be atoned? When it was time for him to die, he said "now has the time come for the son of man to be glorified". He spoke about it like it was a good thing. In the end it glorified him.

If you don't believe God wanted Christ to be crucified, please give your reason and explanation. Thank you.
Wowzers! That is a GOOD question!
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I don't know the answer. But, I can talk about it.
It is written that a person is to fear God.

Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind. Ecclesiastes 12:13

Fear effects an attitude like so. "I am NOT going to assume what God wants"!
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Didn't Jesus make it clear that that was part of his Ministry to be a sacrificial lamb and suffer and die for sin to be atoned?
I think that was either a later insert or it's one of those "easy to say until it happens" kind of things.

When it was time for him to die, he said "now has the time come for the son of man to be glorified".
Depends on the author, though.

If you don't believe God wanted Christ to be crucified, please give your reason and explanation. Thank you.
He was crucified because that's the method the Romans used. I don't know what God wanted but throughout the gospels, Jesus tried to avoid death, so clearly he wasn't all that into it.

Maybe Jesus being crucified was karmic payback for God's many sins against humanity. Gods turning into humans was kind of a demotion of sorts in the Dharmic stories and they had to go through some crap before returning to godhood status.
 

Father

Devourer of Truth
Does God get what He wants? Or does He already own everything?
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Well if he is Omnipresent he technically is everything.

but if he made everything would it be his?

or is it sort of like how when your kid turns 18 you cant legally slap them when they are not doing what you want?
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
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Well if he is Omnipresent he technically is everything.

but if he made everything would it be his?

or is it sort of like how when your kid turns 18 you cant legally slap them when they are not doing what you want?

Omnipresent? That's another question.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
This question is for Christians. It was brought to my attention that some Christians don't believe God wanted Christ to be crucified.

I just don't know how a person could make the argument that God didn't want it.

Didn't Jesus make it clear that that was part of his Ministry to be a sacrificial lamb and suffer and die for sin to be atoned? When it was time for him to die, he said "now has the time come for the son of man to be glorified". He spoke about it like it was a good thing. In the end it glorified him.

If you don't believe God wanted Christ to be crucified, please give your reason and explanation. Thank you.

So that means that he does not have control over all of his creation? Things happen that catch him by surprise? Things go wrong because he looses control of things?
 
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