Will there be public nudity in heaven?

Bird123 · Oct 12, 2017

PopeADope said:
So let's just say that originally God did create Adam and Eve and they were naked in the Garden of Eden.

If the original state of human beings before the fall was nakedness, don't you think that will be the status of redeemed and glorified human beings in heaven?

I would imagine if the Garden of Eden story is true, that Garden was a prefigurement of the gardens of paradise.

Do you think there will be a dress code in heaven? Is there anything indecent about the public display of the human body?

Don't have to worry about all the naked bodies because no one is going to have a body. Sex is a parameter of this physical world. It means nothing in a spiritual world. On the other hand, Love will exist. Sex might be an action but isn't Love really the thing that counts??

Spiderman · Oct 12, 2017

Bird123 said:
Don't have to worry about all the naked bodies because no one is going to have a body. Sex is a parameter of this physical world. It means nothing in a spiritual world. On the other hand, Love will exist. Sex might be an action but isn't Love really the thing that counts??

You don't believe our bodies will be raised from the dead?

Polymath257 · Oct 12, 2017

Bird123 said:
Don't have to worry about all the naked bodies because no one is going to have a body. Sex is a parameter of this physical world. It means nothing in a spiritual world. On the other hand, Love will exist. Sex might be an action but isn't Love really the thing that counts??

It's kind of nice to have both....

columbus · Oct 12, 2017

Polymath257 said:
It's kind of nice to have both....

No kidding.
If I were going to be raised up into a life with my physical body, but no disease or pregnancy or coercion or anything like those, I would be inclined to enjoy lots of erotic love.
Why not?
Tom

Spiderman · Oct 12, 2017

columbus said:
No kidding.
If I were going to be raised up into a life with my physical body, but no disease or pregnancy or coercion or anything like those, I would be inclined to enjoy lots of erotic love.
Why not?
Tom

The church teaches that sex is a foretaste of Heaven

Bird123 · Oct 12, 2017

PopeADope said:
You don't believe our bodies will be raised from the dead?

We are Spiritual beings in our true natures. Physical bodies come with too many restrictions and limitations. No one is going to want to drag that body along with them. On the other hand, this physical world is perfect for the learning process. That's why it exists in the first place. In a physical realm, a physical body is necessary for transportation to say the least.

Bird123 · Oct 12, 2017

Polymath257 said:
It's kind of nice to have both....

Once you taste the freedom from a physical body, you aren't going to want to go back. You won't miss anything.

columbus · Oct 12, 2017

Bird123 said:
Once you taste the freedom from a physical body, you aren't going to want to go back. You won't miss anything.

This seems like a no brainer to me.
I would love not being held back by my meat. I am very fortunate in that regard. Healthy, male, tall, white, I could have done way worse. But still, if I could get along without it I would.
Tom

Grandliseur · Oct 12, 2017

PopeADope said:
So let's just say that originally God did create Adam and Eve and they were naked in the Garden of Eden.

If the original state of human beings before the fall was nakedness, don't you think that will be the status of redeemed and glorified human beings in heaven?

I would imagine if the Garden of Eden story is true, that Garden was a prefigurement of the gardens of paradise.

Do you think there will be a dress code in heaven? Is there anything indecent about the public display of the human body?

Biblical teaching is that neither do beings in heaven eat, nor do they marry -- there is no sex there.

The further thing is that Paradise is going to be on earth; earth is going to be under kingdom rule of Christ and his sub-king-priests. So, few shall have heavenly resurrections; most shall be living in paradise on earth, and, frankly, most people would love to eat food, drink a little wine, and have sex with their mates on occasion.

I don't see humanity not being clothed in Paradise. If you are married or have been, did you not see how much love the females, wife, daughters, friends, -- have for clothes and buying this?! Always fiddling with their hair and their clothes, worrying how they look. If naked, you take away soooo much from women; they wouldn't be happy without their frills - literally and metaphorically.

robocop (actually) · Oct 12, 2017

Since Raelians believe God is Aliens and that they created us in their images, they don't want us to be ashamed of our bodies. In Heaven we will either be naked or wear clothes to mark distinction.

Tmac · Oct 13, 2017

Stevicus said:
Would there be any flesh at all, like anything solid? Or would it be some kind of non-corporeal existence? If angels have actual bodies, and if nakedness is outlawed in Heaven, then I suppose they'd have to have privacy and their own private apartments, so they can change clothes, take showers, go to the bathroom, etc. On that subject, I would guess that the bathrooms in Heaven are kept immaculately clean.

There is nothing solid, that is an illusion created by our poor sighted ancestors.

David T · Oct 13, 2017

I certainly hope not. The last thing I wanna see is you buck naked.

Skwim · Oct 13, 2017

Grandliseur said:
Biblical teaching is that neither do beings in heaven eat, nor do they marry -- there is no sex there.

What biblical scriptures for no eating? I couldn't find any. I do know the Bible says there will be drinking in heaven.

“Assuredly, I say to you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the Kingdom of God’” (Mark 14:25). Assuming, that is, that the Kingdom of God is the same thing as heaven, and it evidently is.

"There is no real difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven. The two phrases are simply two different ways to refer to the same thing: a kingdom or system of government that is ruled by God."
source

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Rise · Oct 13, 2017

I believe it's most likely, as some have taught, that Adam and Eve were not naked but clothed in the glory of God. That is why people in Revelation are wearing white robes, because sin is completely gone from thier body and they abide fully in the glorious presence of God.
The recognition by Adam and Eve that they were naked would not have to be interpretted as them becoming aware of something that had always been, but becoming aware of a change in thier conditon.
This interpretation makes sense because God gave them skins to cover themselves until the day of redemption, because it is a type of how our sin is covered but it's effects not completely removed until we are resurrected with a new body.

osgart said:
the bible calls the human body vile.

The Bible says nothing remotely like that.

God created man's body and called it very good. Gen 1:31.

so in heaven, the glorious body is an asexual construct

Also not in the Bible.

osgart · Oct 13, 2017

Rise said:
I believe it's most likely, as some have taught, that Adam and Eve were not naked but clothed in the glory of God. That is why people in Revelation are wearing white robes, because sin is completely gone from thier body and they abide fully in the glorious presence of God.
The recognition by Adam and Eve that they were naked would not have to be interpretted as them becoming aware of something that had always been, but becoming aware of a change in thier conditon.
This interpretation makes sense because God gave them skins to cover themselves until the day of redemption, because it is a type of how our sin is covered but it's effects not completely removed until we are resurrected with a new body.

The Bible says nothing remotely like that.

God created man's body and called it very good. Gen 1:31.

Also not in the Bible.

Philippians 3:21 explicitly calls the body vile.

Grandliseur · Oct 13, 2017

Skwim said:
What biblical scriptures for no eating? I couldn't find any. I do know the Bible says there will be drinking in heaven.

“Assuredly, I say to you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the Kingdom of God’” (Mark 14:25).

I Corinthians 6:13: Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

Thank you for the laugh.

Skwim said:
Assuming, that is, that the Kingdom of God is the same thing as heaven, and it evidently is.

Assuming!

Exactly.

Skwim said:
"There is no real difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven. The two phrases are simply two different ways to refer to the same thing: a kingdom or system of government that is ruled by God."
source

Kingdom of God = the Kingdom of Heaven

Unfortunately, church teaching has come to bite you in your tail. If you want scriptures with this or just mustard, let me know!

Briefly, condensed:
The kingdom of Heaven, the Kingdom of God is called so because the rulers all will become non human, spirit beings. Their having been human and now no longer so, and also having been put through the fires of refinement means that they no longer will be under human frailty - bribes, sexual influence, monetary influence.

The kingdom ruled shall be the entire earth; an earth where all present governments will have been removed -- by force, if needed. This is spoken of by Jesus as in "That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. " This Israel encompasses the entire earth; Jesus will at times (at the very least, one time) come down to administer, perhaps to teach, perhaps to mingle with people and drink and possibly eat with us.

Most denominations cannot connect the dots. They all want to go to heaven when they die; death is said to be where people are no more, nothing left.
Don't really expect you to be interested, but perhaps you might be.

Rise · Oct 14, 2017

osgart said:
Philippians 3:21 explicitly calls the body vile.

Your first mistake was using the KJV. It is rarely the most accurate translation for modern english understanding.

Badically every modern translation says "lowly", "humble", or "weak", instead of vile. Because that is the proper sense of what the greek word is conveying.

Vile implies to modern understanding that there is something inherently disgusting about the human body, but that cannot be the case when God created it and called it very good. Rather, tapeinosis refers to the spiritual abasment our bodies find themselves in, lowly, humiliated. But one day to be glorified.

Rise · Oct 14, 2017

Claiming the Kingdom of Heaven is different from the Kingdom of God is ignorance of the Gospels.

Only Matthew uses the term "Kingdom of Heaven", and he never uses the term Kingdom of God. The opposite is true of the other three gospels.

We know they are the same thing from the context in which Jesus uses them. They refer to the rulership of God over men.

Why the difference in terms?
Matthew, we know from church history, was written to a Judean audience. To them, it would be disrespectful to comunicate the name of God directly. At this point in history they refused to read out God's name when reciting scripture, replacing it with "Lord". Likewise, in this case, it makes sense that Heaven is subsituted.

Flankerl · Oct 14, 2017

A material Heaven. Basically a Valhalla without fun.

Sakeenah · Oct 15, 2017

PopeADope said:
So let's just say that originally God did create Adam and Eve and they were naked in the Garden of Eden.

If the original state of human beings before the fall was nakedness, don't you think that will be the status of redeemed and glorified human beings in heaven?

I would imagine if the Garden of Eden story is true, that Garden was a prefigurement of the gardens of paradise.

Do you think there will be a dress code in heaven? Is there anything indecent about the public display of the human body?

I'm not familiar with the story of Adam and Eve in the Bible, but according to Islam Adam and Eve were covered before they ate from the forbidden tree. Islamic texts say their private parts were covered with light. The Quran (7:22) mentioned that after they were stripped of this covering they covered themselves with leaves.
People in paradise will be dressed in the most beautiful garments but I don't think there will be public nudity.

Notanumber · Oct 15, 2017

I must admit I hadn’t considered this until I read the OP by @PopeADope

If nudity is the norm what about all the little children or will paedophiles be forbidden entry.

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