truth101 said..You have put the cart before the horse in your understanding here.He is absoluutely not calling Isreal Spiritual Sodom. He is clearly stating they have become LIKE Sodom in their spiritual whoredom.
God didnt say they have become like Sodom. No, they are spiritually called Sodom.
Revelation 11:8 the great city (Jerusalem), which spiritually is called Sodom.
truth101 said..Now you say Sodom was not not Judahs's sister and then you quote one of many that say Sodom is Jersusalems sister. These verses are being spoken to Jerusalem.
Historical Sodom is not Judahs sister and has never been.
However Israel (10 northern tribes) which spiritually is called Sodom, is Judahs sister.
truth101 said..These verses are being spoken to Jerusalem.
Youre right these verse are being spoken to Jerusalem, Therefore, the only sister that is in view here is Israel (10 northern tribes), which spiritually is called Sodom
truth101 said..The bible has clearly spoken on the subject and placed everything into context. You have taken it out of context,
The Bible has clearly spoken that the context is the sisters of Judah and Judah themselves. And the only way to rightly divide the truth is to let God define to us who the sister of Judah is, and We know without a doubt that Israel (10 northern tribes) was Judahs sister, which then God beautiful defines for us in two other books of the bible that Israel is spiritually called Sodom, So the whole of spiritually has not been broken.
truth101 said.. added your theory of eternal punishment to those promised restoration. You have insisted that God is calling isreal Spiritual Sodom and has not contrasted them in comparison with Sodom but has now just renamed them Sodom.
The Bible gave us is own this definition in Revelation 11:8 the great city (Jerusalem), which spiritually is called Sodom. I havent renamed them, The Bible tells us that they are spiritually called Sodom. And yes, they are like the Sodom that God found none righteous in, and is ripe for his judgment to begin.
truth101 said..With your theology you make God out to be a respecter of persons since even though Jerusalem were more disobedient that the Sodmites He "nevertheless remembers His covanent" with them and has mercy on them,
Only the remnant of Israel that never bowed the kneel to Baal, The rest of Israel will be destroyed just like it happen in 587 B.C. God wiped them out and a few were saved (representing the remnant that God had plan to saved) The historical destruction coincides perfectly with the spiritual destruction of Israel. They will receive the greater damnation. .
truth101 said.. while He destroys the rest of Isreal in eternal torment? Not to mention Sodom was not as disobedient as Isreal and they see no mercy from God? Clearly portraying God as a respector of persons, an unjust one to boot.
God never plan to save any of the inhabitants of that ancient historical city of Ruins called Sodom.
Abraham pleaded to God, to spare the city. Gods answer was made clear to all that has ears to hear and eyes to see, that the smoke of their torment will continue for ever and ever at the resurrection of damnation.
truth101 said..You say you were not trying to prove eternal torment from these verses. The reason it because it is not mentioned here so you have incorporated it into your scholarship of these verses which has given you a false understanding of these verses. Yes, the promise of restoration came at the cross but you have again insisted on eternal torment for all but the spiritual Jew. The spiritual Jew has not been established yet in these verses. I understand what you are saying concerning the spiritual Jew being saved but you cannot seperate the spiritual Jew from the literal Jew in these passages because the passages in the old testament are dealing with the whole nation of Isreal and their sisters Sodom and Samaria.
You dont seem to understand that Ezekiel is pronouncing the destruction of Judah by the Babylonians in the year 587 B.C. and the only sisters of Judah at this time was the (10 northern tribes) Israel that was already destroyed by God in the 709 B.C. by the Assyrians. Which God spiritually calls them Sodom. And there was a remnant from that destruction that were saved historically and these are the chosen of God that later would be restored.
God didnt say they have become like Sodom. No, they are spiritually called Sodom.
Revelation 11:8 the great city (Jerusalem), which spiritually is called Sodom.
truth101 said..Now you say Sodom was not not Judahs's sister and then you quote one of many that say Sodom is Jersusalems sister. These verses are being spoken to Jerusalem.
Historical Sodom is not Judahs sister and has never been.
However Israel (10 northern tribes) which spiritually is called Sodom, is Judahs sister.
truth101 said..These verses are being spoken to Jerusalem.
Youre right these verse are being spoken to Jerusalem, Therefore, the only sister that is in view here is Israel (10 northern tribes), which spiritually is called Sodom
truth101 said..The bible has clearly spoken on the subject and placed everything into context. You have taken it out of context,
The Bible has clearly spoken that the context is the sisters of Judah and Judah themselves. And the only way to rightly divide the truth is to let God define to us who the sister of Judah is, and We know without a doubt that Israel (10 northern tribes) was Judahs sister, which then God beautiful defines for us in two other books of the bible that Israel is spiritually called Sodom, So the whole of spiritually has not been broken.
truth101 said.. added your theory of eternal punishment to those promised restoration. You have insisted that God is calling isreal Spiritual Sodom and has not contrasted them in comparison with Sodom but has now just renamed them Sodom.
The Bible gave us is own this definition in Revelation 11:8 the great city (Jerusalem), which spiritually is called Sodom. I havent renamed them, The Bible tells us that they are spiritually called Sodom. And yes, they are like the Sodom that God found none righteous in, and is ripe for his judgment to begin.
truth101 said..With your theology you make God out to be a respecter of persons since even though Jerusalem were more disobedient that the Sodmites He "nevertheless remembers His covanent" with them and has mercy on them,
Only the remnant of Israel that never bowed the kneel to Baal, The rest of Israel will be destroyed just like it happen in 587 B.C. God wiped them out and a few were saved (representing the remnant that God had plan to saved) The historical destruction coincides perfectly with the spiritual destruction of Israel. They will receive the greater damnation. .
truth101 said.. while He destroys the rest of Isreal in eternal torment? Not to mention Sodom was not as disobedient as Isreal and they see no mercy from God? Clearly portraying God as a respector of persons, an unjust one to boot.
God never plan to save any of the inhabitants of that ancient historical city of Ruins called Sodom.
Abraham pleaded to God, to spare the city. Gods answer was made clear to all that has ears to hear and eyes to see, that the smoke of their torment will continue for ever and ever at the resurrection of damnation.
truth101 said..You say you were not trying to prove eternal torment from these verses. The reason it because it is not mentioned here so you have incorporated it into your scholarship of these verses which has given you a false understanding of these verses. Yes, the promise of restoration came at the cross but you have again insisted on eternal torment for all but the spiritual Jew. The spiritual Jew has not been established yet in these verses. I understand what you are saying concerning the spiritual Jew being saved but you cannot seperate the spiritual Jew from the literal Jew in these passages because the passages in the old testament are dealing with the whole nation of Isreal and their sisters Sodom and Samaria.
You dont seem to understand that Ezekiel is pronouncing the destruction of Judah by the Babylonians in the year 587 B.C. and the only sisters of Judah at this time was the (10 northern tribes) Israel that was already destroyed by God in the 709 B.C. by the Assyrians. Which God spiritually calls them Sodom. And there was a remnant from that destruction that were saved historically and these are the chosen of God that later would be restored.