So prior to 1891, 1961, 1931, or 2009 were those folks being unpatriotic for not standing for the national anthem?
When did we begin standing for the National Anthem?
When did we begin standing for the National Anthem?
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Standing, Sitting, Kneeling, Rolling on the Ground to the National Anthem
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While the Star-Spangled banner was not designated by the president as the national anthem until 1916, and not by Congress until 1931, the anthem
So before 1931 it didn't officially represent the US so all those get a pass. In 2009 the players didn't stand on the field but it makes no reference to whether they stood in the locker rooms or not. Finally the article never indicates when or why Standing, removing you hat and placing your hand over your heart started, which kinda defeats the whole article.
ya suppose the people at home stand when they watch their tvs? or the folks in the sports bars?
What does that have to do with the article?
it has to do with the thread. the article was used to show how people create differences out of their own minds and believe them to be sacrosanct.
an idol never comes into being until someone creates something of themselves and attempt to lord it over others.
Daniel 3:18
18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
Revelation 9:20
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
stupid is as stupid does
I clicked on to find out information about the standing at the National Anthem, why it started when it start are there rules like in displaying a flag. I did not click in to debate the stupid stuff happening in the NFL. I guess I'll do some googling. Your title is misleading.
Expectations change upon a whim.
What is right or wrong depends upon when & the eye of the beholder.
What is right or wrong depends upon when & the eye of the beholder.
you can criminalize every behavior in the world but the only one that matters are those that directly harm another.
the ayatollah has banned women from smoking.
The Time New York Banned Women From Smoking
Is the Confederate flag a symbolism of slavery or pride in southern heritage
or rebellion against an oppressor?
Is kneeling during the national anthem disrespect of soldiers, protest against
the country's violent racism, or is it racism itself (protest only for black lives,
but not for the suffering of others)?
It all depends whom you ask.
or rebellion against an oppressor?
Is kneeling during the national anthem disrespect of soldiers, protest against
the country's violent racism, or is it racism itself (protest only for black lives,
but not for the suffering of others)?
It all depends whom you ask.
Just for information I case someone else clicks looking for it.
Cornell Law School US codes 301a and 301b, 301a was created March 3 1931.
(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1) when the flag is displayed—
(A)
individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B)
members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C)
all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2)
when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
Based on the law unless you are at the event you do not have to stand.
I find it funny that so many who claim that taking a knee is disrespecting the anthem and flag are ALSO happy to wear clothes with the flag on them. This is in direct violation of the rules for respecting the flag!
Pants made from the flag pattern? No problem! Underwear made of flag pattern? Sure! Shirts with the stars and stripes? Give me more!
But taking a silent knee? Now, *that* is disrespect!
It is legal to burn the American Flag it is the only way to dispose of it. I have been to several burning ceremonies with the Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts of America.
Are they really the same people?
most men go to war when they've been oppressed, marginalized, threatened, harmed to defend their rights to equality. a uniform is not necessary, nor is a flag.
a man kneeling is more important than a piece of colored cloth that doesn't recognize all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator.
maybe a flag can go blind to men who don't wear military uniforms? maybe we should become a socialist, military state? sometimes the enemy are people in our own state?
I think you put more importance in individuality then in community. Both are of equal importance
The whole problem I have with this is that one person put his individuality above the community. The Flag and the National Anthem for better or worse represent a community. One individual no matter the cause putting himself above the community by changing its meaning will always be wrong in my eyes.
The NFL and it players are wrong because they specifically link themselves to these ideals of the community to raise money. Watch there ads count the flags, military people or military equipment in them. I posted one where all the players of one team lined the field waving small flags while another player I'm assuming Military ran between them carrying a big flag. They make millions both the players and the teams off the back of being patriot. If they stop advertising patriotism they can do what they want.
So take it as you will individuals will all feel different but I balance individualism and community and I believe you have to provide what you advertise. I doubt you will find a way to change my mind.
there is no community. you misunderstand what the word means. it doesn't mean a flag. it means a group of people all working together as ONE and not for a flag. the flag represents an idea. the focus has now become fixated on the object at the loss of the idea. someone put the cart before the horse.
it ceased to be a community when the environment has turned hostile and uncooperative because it places more value on material things than equal behavior under the law. you cannot serve idols and compassion/empathy.
community
a house is not necessarily a home. home is where the heart is..................
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The United States of America is made up of American Citizens (A community by definition) two of the symbols representing the United States of America are the Flag and the National Anthem. Communities do not have to agree on everything, really just one thing that they are part of the community.
communities, the united states of america, and the anthem repesent "some" people they don't represent all the people.
actions speak louder than words. the flag has changed forms, the national anthem was created by a human, the united states is only as strong as it's people. to serve doesn't mean serving only those that look like us, believe like us, have the same socio-economic status like us.
communities don't have to agree on everything, true.
if jerking a flag up and down a pole rocks someone's world while singing songs of joy, more power to them. but a flag and a lullaby won't alleviate the suffering of those who are being wronged.
so if someone is interested more in jerking a rag up and down a pole knowing that people it represents are being wronged and continue to do so, they've lost sight of the idea even if they still got their eye on a flag.
we the people aren't we the privileged, those who take we the privileged are stroking their egos up and down on a pole.
when traveling and my lane is blocked on the road, i sometimes drive in the other lane.
rules are made to be broken, when the Way has been obstructed.
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