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Why did God tempt Adam and Eve?

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Did God already know they would eat the fruit and listen to the serpent? Why put the fruit there in the first place or let the serpent into the garden?

If you read the account, things can appear to be puzzling, but there is a lot that is explained elsewhere in the Bible.

For example.....we know that it was satan masquerading as a serpent, but why was he there in the first place?

Ezekiel 28:13-15 tells us....
"....you were the model of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 You were in Eʹden, the garden of God.You were adorned with every precious stone—Ruby, topaz, and jasper; chrysʹo·lite, onyx, and jade; sapphire, turquoise, and emerald;And their settings and mountings were made of gold. They were prepared on the day you were created. 14 I assigned you as the anointed covering cherub.You were on the holy mountain of God, and you walked about among fiery stones. 15 You were faultless in your ways from the day you were created until unrighteousness was found in you."

So the angel that became satan was once a faithful 'covering cherub' in the garden of Eden. Cherubs were the the guardians, which is why they were posted by the tree of life to prevent access to its fruitage after the first humans were evicted from the garden.

This explains why he was there. It also explains why he was able to approach the woman when her husband was not with her. He had time to observe and to plan his scheme to get to his prime target, which was Adam. He probably knew that a direct approach to Adam would have ended in a rebuff, but a request made through his wife might just do the trick....it worked.

Since we are not aware of any rebellion among God's heavenly family prior to the creation of man, we can assume that satan was never in a position to fulfill his ambitions to become "like God" because all the other angels were his equal in power. Only with the creation of humans could he be a 'god' and have lower creatures worship him and do his bidding.

God did not plan any of this. It was the exercise of free will that led the devil to influence the woman (to take her away from God) .....it was the exercise of free will that led the woman to eat of the fruit (she thought she would be better off )....and it was the exercise of free will that led Adam to accept his wife's offer. (He was forced to choose between the love of his life and the love of his God) Every one of those actions was precipitated by selfishness. All disobeyed, but for different reasons.

The outcome was foretold....it was no surprise because the penalty was clearly stated. From the day they ate of the fruit, they began to die. What was not anticipated was that their defect would be passed onto their children. (Romans 5:12)

Genesis 3:16
New International Version
To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

This curse was given to you ladies for a crime you didn't commit. Why? Do you have Adam and Eve to thank or God?

This could well have been just the natural result of the physical imperfection that resulted from Eve's sin. It too was passed onto her children like all the other awful consequences of their disobedience. They would now descend into aging, pain and suffering, sickness and death...none of which were in God's original purpose for mankind. We only have to witness the birth of animals to know that it should not be painful. However, it should be noted that this has never stopped women from having children......the memory of the pain fades when you hold that child in your arms....it actually makes you appreciate them even more.....so much so that we go back and do it again and again....
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We all are suffering from original sin...just read the news and you can see evidence for it.

Why did God want us to be so disordered, confused, and have such a fallen nature?

He never did....all that was required of Adam and his wife was to obey one simple command that did not in any way inconvenience them. They had all the other trees bearing a wonderful variety of fruit for the taking. This one tree was God's property....so this was a test of their respect for what rightfully belonged to God as the one thing he did not give them. Their disobedience was due to them not respecting him and stealing something that did not belong to them. He had generously given them all they would need and more....yet it still wasn't enough. What can we learn from that?

Why give Adam and Eve a test he knows they will fail , and then punish everyone for it?

Adam and his wife were perfect. There was no defect in them, which means there was no excuse for what they did. They didn't make a mistake....they chose to deliberately disobey, which is why we will never see them again.

If you remember that Jesus was also a perfect man who was tempted three times by the devil (God did not prevent this) .....each one was an appeal to selfishness. But each time, Jesus referred to scripture (his Father's teachings) to refuse to accept the offers that satan made. If Jesus could stand firm for his Father's commands, then Adam and his wife could have too. All were free willed and could have disobeyed....but only one remained faithful. The devil doesn't need new tactics because he already knows what works with humans who are inherently selfish. Being forewarned is to be forearmed, so if we know what bait the devil uses we will not be tempted to take it.

Just because we are born in sin, doesn't mean we have to commit sin. We have choices because we are all free agents.
God is incredibly proud of us when we give an answer back to the devil as Job did when the devil took so much from him. (Proverbs 27:11) But we have to read the end of Job, not just the beginning....

"After Job had prayed for his companions, Jehovah removed Job’s tribulation and restored his prosperity. Jehovah gave him double what he had before.....So Jehovah blessed the last part of Job’s life more than the beginning....He also came to have seven more sons and three more daughters....After this Job lived for 140 years, and he saw his children and his grandchildren—four generations. Finally Job died, after a long and satisfying life." (Job 42:10-17)

Since Job had faith in the resurrection, he will be blessed with all 20 of his children in the new world to come.....and be able to spend eternity with them in peace and happiness. There is nothing that is allowed to happen in this system of things that cannot be undone by God in the new system he has purposed to reward all the faithful ones like Job. We can be among them.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
Did God already know they would eat the fruit and listen to the serpent? Why put the fruit there in the first place or let the serpent into the garden?

Genesis 3:16
New International Version
To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

This curse was given to you ladies for a crime you didn't commit. Why? Do you have Adam and Eve to thank or God?

We all are suffering from original sin...just read the news and you can see evidence for it.

Why did God want us to be so disordered, confused, and have such a fallen nature?

Why give Adam and Eve a test he knows they will fail , and then punish everyone for it?
You didn't start far enough back.

Why create Adam and Eve when He knows that the first test He gives them, they'll fail and ruin it for everyone else?

The trials we go through aren't there to show G-d what we deserve or don't deserve. They're to vindicate the state G-d prepared for each of us individually through expressing G-d's justice in retribution and reward.
 

Magus

Active Member
Ezekiel 31:16
‘I made the nations shake at the sound of its fall, when I cast it down to hell together with those who descend into the Pit; and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, were comforted in the depths of the earth

Now you know where Eden in.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Taking god's "omni" powers into consideration, his continued creation of evil, and the obviousness unfairness of the whole apple incident and its consequences, I believe the whole "Humans on Earth" situation only makes sense as entertainment for god and perhaps his angel cronies.
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Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Did God already know they would eat the fruit and listen to the serpent? Why put the fruit there in the first place or let the serpent into the garden?

Genesis 3:16
New International Version
To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

This curse was given to you ladies for a crime you didn't commit. Why? Do you have Adam and Eve to thank or God?

We all are suffering from original sin...just read the news and you can see evidence for it.

Why did God want us to be so disordered, confused, and have such a fallen nature?

Why give Adam and Eve a test he knows they will fail , and then punish everyone for it?

Free will. End of Story teehee
 

Aiviu

Active Member
Did God already know they would eat the fruit and listen to the serpent? Why put the fruit there in the first place or let the serpent into the garden?

Genesis 3:16
New International Version
To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

This curse was given to you ladies for a crime you didn't commit. Why? Do you have Adam and Eve to thank or God?

We all are suffering from original sin...just read the news and you can see evidence for it.

Why did God want us to be so disordered, confused, and have such a fallen nature?

Why give Adam and Eve a test he knows they will fail , and then punish everyone for it?

You cant get an answer. There is one interpretation but so many variations. You'd confuse the spirit which you cant see with the body you do. This answer is in a sense which hangs above our words.
 

12jtartar

Active Member
Premium Member
Did God already know they would eat the fruit and listen to the serpent? Why put the fruit there in the first place or let the serpent into the garden?

Genesis 3:16
New International Version
To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

This curse was given to you ladies for a crime you didn't commit. Why? Do you have Adam and Eve to thank or God?

We all are suffering from original sin...just read the news and you can see evidence for it.

Why did God want us to be so disordered, confused, and have such a fallen nature?

Why give Adam and Eve a test he knows they will fail , and then punish everyone for it?

PopeADope,
Think about this, it is much wiser to try to find things that makes God happy, than to try to find something that criticizes God. We are not wiser that the Omniscient God are we??
God did not test Adam and Eve by telling them not to eat of one tree in the middle of the Garden of Eden!!!
This was not a test, but a single opportunity to show God that they wanted to obey Him. God had made for them everything they could want, and they had but one little thing to do to show God that they appreciated everything He had done for them.
God, whose name is usually pronounced Jehovah, in English, has the power to look into the future, when He wants to, but, as can be seen, by His being sorry, and regretting men’s actions, shows that He does not always know what will happen in the future.
It is true that God knows everything, but that means everything that has happened, not everything that ever will happen.
A person could use what God said would happen to mean that He caused it to happen. We know that just because someone knows that something will happen, does not mean that he causes it to happen. Think of a weather man who forecasts rain tomorrow, does he cause it to rain?? I used to know a person who had. Genius IQ, but I could make people laugh, because I knew that he would respond a certain way, if I said certain things. I did not make him say anything, but I knew that he would respond in a certain way.
God is not punishing anyone for their actions now, He has turned the ruling of this world over to Satan, because Adam and Eve wanted to obey him rather than God. He as given Satan a certain period to see if his rule would be better for mankind than God’s rule. The conditions on earth today, prove beyond any doubt that Satans rule is an udder failure or man.
The time is almost up for Satan and the people who want to follow him, instead of God, 2Thessalonians 1:6-9, Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 19:11-21.
All who want to follow God’s rules will live forever in a paradise earth!! They will get the same blessings that could have been Adam’s and Eve’s, Revelation 21:1-5.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Did God already know they would eat the fruit and listen to the serpent? Why put the fruit there in the first place or let the serpent into the garden?

Genesis 3:16
New International Version
To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

This curse was given to you ladies for a crime you didn't commit. Why? Do you have Adam and Eve to thank or God?

We all are suffering from original sin...just read the news and you can see evidence for it.

Why did God want us to be so disordered, confused, and have such a fallen nature?

Why give Adam and Eve a test he knows they will fail , and then punish everyone for it?
i suspect that viewpoint was penned by someone not having the full picture
and some 'reason' need be in place to keep God on high
and Man as a creature in need of a cure
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Did God already know they would eat the fruit and listen to the serpent? Why put the fruit there in the first place or let the serpent into the garden?

Genesis 3:16
New International Version
To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

This curse was given to you ladies for a crime you didn't commit. Why? Do you have Adam and Eve to thank or God?

We all are suffering from original sin...just read the news and you can see evidence for it.

Why did God want us to be so disordered, confused, and have such a fallen nature?

Why give Adam and Eve a test he knows they will fail , and then punish everyone for it?

I wonder why, if you don't know the answer to this basic Bible question, you constantly start new threads "preaching" against basic Bible doctrines?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I want to know why God gave them a test he knew they would fail and punish us for it?

Ok... let's start there. Things that I see with the above statements:

1) You say it was a test (although there is nothing there to say it was a test). You see it as a test... but in a test, you don't give the answer to it. He gave the answer.
2) God gave them everything that they need plus His love... and He basically said "This fruit is mine, please don't eat it". We do it when we have a spouse, we say "This body is now yours, please don't touch other bodies". Not a test... it is a demonstration of love
3) He gave the answer to the issue... "if you do this, you will die." Not a punishment but simply the result of wrong. Like "If you play with fire you will get burnt". Not a punishment but a result of doing wrong.
4) You said "He would punish us"... but He didn't. He said "I will redeem what you have done wrong." Gen 3:15. Even when He enumerated what the results were be, He never cursed man, He declared a Savior instead.
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
He gave them a test they knew they would fail and punished us for it. Why?

The Islamic position is GOD created Adam and Eve pbut to inhabit the Earth, this was his plan all along. When they made the mistake in the garden of Eden....actually just watch from 9:45 mark and this former Atheist, now revert to Islam explains it very well......

First 10 mins is short intro followed by why he absolutely did not believe in God, drunken father, beatings and the evil in the World.

 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I wonder why, if you don't know the answer to this basic Bible question, you constantly start new threads "preaching" against basic Bible doctrines?
He has some mental health issues and a fascination with understanding religion. You have to be patient and explain your doctrines in a manner which makes sense. Most people have similar questions to the ones he's raising.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Ezekiel 31:16
‘I made the nations shake at the sound of its fall, when I cast it down to hell together with those who descend into the Pit; and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, were comforted in the depths of the earth

Now you know where Eden in.
I love Lebanon...my favorite spirit guide is Lebanese. More books have been written about Lebanon than any other Nation. Are you Lebanese?
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I wonder why, if you don't know the answer to this basic Bible question, you constantly start new threads "preaching" against basic Bible doctrines?
I'm actually not preaching against Bible Doctrine in the op. From what I've studied in Scripture it seems clear to me that God wanted them to fall. I'm simply asking the question why.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Did God already know they would eat the fruit and listen to the serpent? Why put the fruit there in the first place or let the serpent into the garden?

Genesis 3:16
New International Version
To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

This curse was given to you ladies for a crime you didn't commit. Why? Do you have Adam and Eve to thank or God?

We all are suffering from original sin...just read the news and you can see evidence for it.

Why did God want us to be so disordered, confused, and have such a fallen nature?

Why give Adam and Eve a test he knows they will fail , and then punish everyone for it?

I think it's just an example for us to learn how choosing the wrong path and not obeying God's commands, now we are on earth, we suffer and face hardness and difficulties, like a hell, we have the choice as given to Adam, to be wise and choose the right path to eternal happy life or to disobey God and live an awful eternal life, it's our choice indeed.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
He has some mental health issues and a fascination with understanding religion. You have to be patient and explain your doctrines in a manner which makes sense. Most people have similar questions to the ones he's raising.
God is very patient with me... Sometimes I wish his patience would run out and he would strike me with lightning, at least then I would know he's listening. :)
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Interesting questions, well, for my input, i'd say firstly we must understand that, Isaiah 55:9 says, "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Paul himself also graciously stated, "His ways are past finding out" David and Paul also both agreed that, "They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways." So from this, it can be established that God has a way, and a method in which he goes about accomplishing things and man must become as children, and ready to learn of his ways. But these questions are not hopeless, as Paul said, "But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:" So this wisdom and these answers to the ways of God were ordained to us, before the world. Now as for the answers to the question, based on the holy canon of scripture, I would say that it is a divine method and authority of God to make himself known through trials, sin and sickness. As the great apostle once said, "That I may know him in the fellowship of his sufferings" "Trials worketh patience and patience experience, and experience hope, and hope maketh not ashamed, because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts. and also statements like, "My strength is made perfect in weakness" "His grace is sufficient for me" So how would we understand grace and righteousness if never experiencing unrighteousness, condemnation and weakness? And how could we ever fellowship with the Creator, without the wisdom that can only be gained through experience. Darkness is simply a method that we may comprehend light...

All this well and good, and I could accept all of the above as a Baha'i, but it does not address the issue of 'Original Sin' and the 'Fall.'

Maybe your saying just accept it and believe, because of the above explanation?
 

jhwatts

Member
My thoughts.

Proverbs 16:4, Isaiah 45:7

Just for the record, my thoughts usually end up with most people around me running and diving into the bushes.
 
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