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Mental illness and Demonic possession

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I live in a house full of mentally ill people. It is understandable why at one time we thought these people possessed...here is the difference.

1. Attraction to vs. Aversion to Religion. Demons want nothing to do with God. Conversely, people with mental illness are often devoutly religious.

2. Irrational Speech vs. Rational Speech. In New Testament accounts involving demons, the demons spoke in a rational manner. Untreated people with schizophrenia will often speak in nonsense and jump rapidly between unrelated topics.

3. Ordinary Learning vs. Supernatural Knowledge Demons in the New Testament would speak through people to convey knowledge that otherwise could not have been known to the possessed individuals. Those with mental illness have no such ability to know facts which they have not acquired by normal learning.

4. Normal vs. Occultic Phenomena. There is an aspect to demon activity that is just plain spooky (ex.: poltergeists, levitation’s, trances, telepathy). These have an impact on others in the room not just the possessed. With schizophrenia, the effect of the disorder is only on the disordered, not others.

5. The claim to be possessed Authors who have clinical experience both with demon possession and mental illness, believe those who claim to be possessed are very likely not possessed. Demons wish to be secretive and do not voluntarily claim to be present.

6. Effects of Therapy. If prayer solves the problem, then it was probably not schizophrenia. If medicine helps alleviate the problem, it was not demon possession. (I disagree with this one because prayer has been the best treatment of my mental health and I have been on enormous amounts of medications. They don't help.)
How to differentiate Schizophrenia from Demonic Possession - Mental Illness Policy Org
 
That's a pretty black and white classification that does not apply to all cases. Also, the author seems to be ignoring some events from the Bible. The apostle Paul was followed by a possessed woman who kept yelling at him and his companions about God, thus invalidating #1 from that list.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
That's a pretty black and white classification that does not apply to all cases. Also, the author seems to be ignoring some events from the Bible. The apostle Paul was followed by a possessed woman who kept yelling at him and his companions about God, thus invalidating #1 from that list.
Thanks...I think Demons prey upon the mentally ill, so a person can be mentally ill and tormented by demons
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
I live in a house full of mentally ill people. It is understandable why at one time we thought these people possessed...here is the difference.

1. Attraction to vs. Aversion to Religion. Demons want nothing to do with God. Conversely, people with mental illness are often devoutly religious.

2. Irrational Speech vs. Rational Speech. In New Testament accounts involving demons, the demons spoke in a rational manner. Untreated people with schizophrenia will often speak in nonsense and jump rapidly between unrelated topics.

3. Ordinary Learning vs. Supernatural Knowledge Demons in the New Testament would speak through people to convey knowledge that otherwise could not have been known to the possessed individuals. Those with mental illness have no such ability to know facts which they have not acquired by normal learning.

4. Normal vs. Occultic Phenomena. There is an aspect to demon activity that is just plain spooky (ex.: poltergeists, levitation’s, trances, telepathy). These have an impact on others in the room not just the possessed. With schizophrenia, the effect of the disorder is only on the disordered, not others.

5. The claim to be possessed Authors who have clinical experience both with demon possession and mental illness, believe those who claim to be possessed are very likely not possessed. Demons wish to be secretive and do not voluntarily claim to be present.

6. Effects of Therapy. If prayer solves the problem, then it was probably not schizophrenia. If medicine helps alleviate the problem, it was not demon possession. (I disagree with this one because prayer has been the best treatment of my mental health and I have been on enormous amounts of medications. They don't help.)
How to differentiate Schizophrenia from Demonic Possession - Mental Illness Policy Org

Once Jesus rose from the dead and assumed control of the universe beings could no longer possess a "normal" mind.

There's no such thing as a demon. There are angels, most who do their jobs well, some angels rebelled, but even the angels who rebelled did not become "demons" against God or even against humanity.

There are many other beings in the universe, some who are as knowledgeable and capable as the lower angels. These beings can connect (channel) with some humans who have the ability and they may say that they are God or the devil or a demon or whatever in an attempt to control you.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Once Jesus rose from the dead and assumed control of the universe beings could no longer possess a "normal" mind.

There's no such thing as a demon. There are angels, most who do their jobs well, some angels rebelled, but even the angels who rebelled did not become "demons" against God or even against humanity.

There are many other beings in the universe, some who are as knowledgeable and capable as the lower angels. These beings can connect (channel) with some humans who have the ability and they may say that they are God or the devil or a demon or whatever in an attempt to control you.
Will the rebellious Angels eventually convert, be purified, and perfected?
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
Will the rebellious Angels eventually convert, be purified, and perfected?

When Jesus finished His earthly mission all of the rebel angels were arrested and offered mercy with the loss of their previous position. Most accepted, some, including Lucifer, did not. Lucifer is now on trial for treason. Because of the time shift the trial that is taking place in a higher dimension than ours will take 3 days of their time but 3,000 years of earth time, so, they are 2/3's of the way through it.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
Respectfully, that is a pretty bold statement. Do you have scripture (or other) to back that claim, or is this a personal belief?

Scripture? Why would worship primitive and ignorant human writings from men who were afraid of comets and trembled in fear when there was an eclipse and didn't know that earthquakes were caused by plate tectonics and did not understand genetic diseases?

You can't figure out the truth by reading the bible because the writers didn't have the intelligence to comprehend the truth.
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
You can't figure out the truth by reading the bible because the writers didn't have the intelligence to comprehend the truth.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but your truths come from a book mired in controversy, not least because the mysterious person 'allegedly' conveying the series of messages was in a trance, which according to some was initiated using witchcraft, meaning, (according to the Abrahamic faiths) a 'Demon' was behind the scenes causing mischief and putting out false information, like a trial that has been ongoing for Thousands of years, (I'd hate to see how much the legal beavers are making off that one; nice work if you can get it).
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
Correct me if I'm wrong, but your truths come from a book mired in controversy, not least because the mysterious person 'allegedly' conveying the series of messages was in a trance, which according to some was initiated using witchcraft, meaning, (according to the Abrahamic faiths) a 'Demon' was behind the scenes causing mischief and putting out false information, like a trial that has been ongoing for Thousands of years, (I'd hate to see how much the legal beavers are making off that one; nice work if you can get it).

The UB is mired in controversy? And the bible and Koran are not?

How did Adam converse with God? He heard a voice in the garden.

Where did Mohammad get his information from? He heard a voice inside his head.

How did Moses get his information? A voice from a burning bush.

How did Paul become a Christian? He heard a voice inside his head.

How did Emperor Constantine become a Christian? He heard a voice inside his head.

This is how it works. This is how it's always worked.

Witchcraft is just something that primitive humans don't have enough intelligence to understand. Study tribal societies, they believe that there are spirits and witch's and magic at work because they don't understand disease, earthquakes, meteors, and every other aspect of nature. Demons were never at work, humans did not know that there were tiny things called bacteria or other tiny things called genes that sometimes caused disease.

The trial has been going on for thousands of years? Look at: 2 Peter 3:8 "8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I live in a house full of mentally ill people. It is understandable why at one time we thought these people possessed...here is the difference.

1. Attraction to vs. Aversion to Religion. Demons want nothing to do with God. Conversely, people with mental illness are often devoutly religious.

2. Irrational Speech vs. Rational Speech. In New Testament accounts involving demons, the demons spoke in a rational manner. Untreated people with schizophrenia will often speak in nonsense and jump rapidly between unrelated topics.

3. Ordinary Learning vs. Supernatural Knowledge Demons in the New Testament would speak through people to convey knowledge that otherwise could not have been known to the possessed individuals. Those with mental illness have no such ability to know facts which they have not acquired by normal learning.

4. Normal vs. Occultic Phenomena. There is an aspect to demon activity that is just plain spooky (ex.: poltergeists, levitation’s, trances, telepathy). These have an impact on others in the room not just the possessed. With schizophrenia, the effect of the disorder is only on the disordered, not others.

5. The claim to be possessed Authors who have clinical experience both with demon possession and mental illness, believe those who claim to be possessed are very likely not possessed. Demons wish to be secretive and do not voluntarily claim to be present.

6. Effects of Therapy. If prayer solves the problem, then it was probably not schizophrenia. If medicine helps alleviate the problem, it was not demon possession. (I disagree with this one because prayer has been the best treatment of my mental health and I have been on enormous amounts of medications. They don't help.)
How to differentiate Schizophrenia from Demonic Possession - Mental Illness Policy Org

I don't think that schizophrenia was demonic possession.

I think that the various types of epileptic seizures were demonic possession.

And I think that several sicknesses and disabilities were in fact various forms of hysteria, now separated into several conditions such as psuedo seizures, psuedo sicknesses and psuedo disabilities. Mediterranean males are more susceptible to psuedo conditions, I believe.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Scripture? Why would worship primitive and ignorant human writings from men who were afraid of comets and trembled in fear when there was an eclipse and didn't know that earthquakes were caused by plate tectonics and did not understand genetic diseases?

You can't figure out the truth by reading the bible because the writers didn't have the intelligence to comprehend the truth.

Sorry, I thought you were serious.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
I think "demon possession" is just a primitive way of viewing illness. The phenomena is that same. It's just the labels and the treatments that vary.

I can say I was "possessed by the demon of drink" for 20 years, or I can say I was an active alcoholic during that time. It makes no difference at all to the illness, nor to the results. It may, however, make a difference to person afflicted, in how they perceive their condition, and how they choose to treat it.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
Sorry, I thought you were serious.

Oh, you worship them. You think they were so smart and had a connection with God that we no longer have. Then how come they came up with pure stupiditiy like "Hey, I know, let's stone to death people who do work on a certain day."

You can worship tribal societies if you like. When's the next stoning to death going to be?
 

Nyingjé Tso

Tänpa Yungdrung zhab pä tän gyur jig
Vanakkam,

Bible and Christian scriptures aren't the only source of information on possession.
It varies a lot depending on the person and the thing possessing the person.

Truth is, even with those knowledge it's still unexplored territory.

Aum namah Shivaya
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Oh, you worship them. You think they were so smart and had a connection with God that we no longer have. Then how come they came up with pure stupiditiy like "Hey, I know, let's stone to death people who do work on a certain day."

You can worship tribal societies if you like. When's the next stoning to death going to be?

I don't worship any tribal societies. That is quite an assumption. However, I'm with you on the stupidity of stoning someone for such absolute silliness as working on the wrong day.
 
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