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Noahidism
- Thread starter Rival
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Tumah
Veteran Member
It's not true, because anyone who is willing to follow Jewish Law can convert to Judaism. Noahides are non-Jews who maintain Jewish belief but don't want to have to follow Jewish Law which is a lot more invasive than is Noahide Law (compare 7 laws vs. 613).
There are no skills or capabilities with the requirement to be Jewish. Just a need to follow Jewish law.
Magus
Active Member
Just need to chop foreskins without biological reasons.
Saving Our Sons: My Sweet Boy Danny... Collapsed Lung from Circumcision
Saving Our Sons: My Sweet Boy Danny... Collapsed Lung from Circumcision
Tumah
Veteran Member
By Jewish Law, a Jewish male is required to marry a Jewish woman and vice versa. You can't convert to Judaism with the intent of breaking Jewish Law.
Marrying a Jewish person is not part of a skill set or capability.
Tumah
Veteran Member
I assume you are talking about the secular law in Turkey, not Jewish Law. In Jewish Law the Jewish girl would not be able to marry you until you convert.
Beyt din or beit din, is the right word. After you learn what you need to know, there is a ritual immersion and (if you're male) circumcision at which point you gain the status of Jewish according to Jewish Law.
I wouldn't have expected that.
Magus
Active Member
That's the Talmud , but is backed up by the Torah?
Did King Solomon marry an Egyptian woman?
Did Jacob marry Lebanese women?
Did Moses marry a Ethiopian woman?
Jews make it up as they go along and that evil law means Jews are forced into incestuous relations and is why so many genitive diseases are common among jews such as Tay-Sachs disease.
The further genetically apart parents are, the healthier the offspring, Scientific fact.
Tumah
Veteran Member
Does it need to be?
Based on 1 Kings 11:2, the Talmud learns that he only lived with her out of love, not marriage, although he did convert her first.
Jewish Law was not given until over 200 years later. Jacob was not bound by Jewish Law.
Jewish Law was not given until at least 40 years later if not more. At the time he married he was not bound by Jewish Law.
And some say,Jews live by an archaic code. I guess it just depends what vehicle you use for your hate.
Incest is prohibited by Jewish Law. Jews are not forced into incestuous relations.
I think that may just be a question of documentation.
Finnish heritage disease - Wikipedia
That is true.
He hasn't done a decent debate in a while. I think he's just giving us entertainment value now until he finds a worthy opponent. There just aren't any on here.
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Magus
Active Member
Jews speak English, a European Language written in an evolved Phoenician script * Phoenicians never existed according to Jews and yet refuse to believe homologies exist between the languages
Light
Lioht ( Old High German )
Levkon ( Greek) White
Levon * via auxiliary
לָבָן * lävän White
Jews don't believe in Evolution, so they won't understand.
Light
Lioht ( Old High German )
Levkon ( Greek) White
Levon * via auxiliary
לָבָן * lävän White
Jews don't believe in Evolution, so they won't understand.
ThatPantheistguy
New Member
And here comes ThatPantheistguy!!!!! Da da Da DAAAAAAAA!!!! Sadly i dont argue with people's right to believe. No matter what argument you make the ultimate rebuttal is to find a point where belief is required even if the premise is supported by being the most probable truth then insert question "and what if hat belief is wrong"? To me its quite useless to tell someone their religion is wrong unless they express the intent to have a debate to find perhaps a more probable truth
Um. You're welcome?
ThatPantheistguy
New Member
First ever post thought id make it epic. Anyway so i feel like the question was never asked. Mr. Rival, are you interested in debating your religion with the acceptance that your belief may change within you and accept all ramifications there of? (I think i said that last part correctly)
Tumah
Veteran Member
Yes. Marriage between cousins is not considered incestuous in Jewish Law. Although Jewish Law wasn't given for another few hundred years, so that's really irrelevant.
I assume you mean Biblical Hebrew. I'm not sure there is a Biblical Hebrew word for marriage. Usually it uses phrases like "became a bridegroom", "take a wife", "sat them [ie. in his house]".
We ask them.
For two Jews to be married, the potential bride needs to receive something of value along with a statement of intent of betrothal, or a contract stating intent of betrothal, or physical relations with intent of betrothal (although this last one was prohibited by the Rabbis). At that point they become betrothed. After that, he needs to bring her to his home (or some semblance of a place that is his) during a time they're permitted to have relations. Both of these parts need to occur in front of two witnesses. They are then considered married by Jewish Law.
Some people can't ever get married as the act of betrothal is ineffective for them.
Yes, the one's G-d commanded to him. He was commanded lots of things over the course of the twelve chapters of Genesis that he's present. He listened to all of them.
Magus
Active Member
The Marriage ritual of Christians came from the Roman religion.
Was Jacob married to Leah or Rachel, it seems the ceremony of marriage is absent in the Torah
and isn't the Hebrew word for Husband.. בָּעַל BAAL .
Do you have a BAAL ?
Gen 26:5
Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments(mitsvah), my statutes, and my laws(Torah)
Who gave Abraham the Torah and Commandments?
Was Jacob married to Leah or Rachel, it seems the ceremony of marriage is absent in the Torah
and isn't the Hebrew word for Husband.. בָּעַל BAAL .
Do you have a BAAL ?
Gen 26:5
Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments(mitsvah), my statutes, and my laws(Torah)
Who gave Abraham the Torah and Commandments?
Magus
Active Member
Genesis 2:16
Lord God gave a charge too Adam, saying "Every tree in the paradise you may eat, but the tree
of the knowledge of Good and Evil, you may not eat, for you will surely die "
Quoting out of context - Wikipedia
Tumah
Veteran Member
Thanks for the heads up, I guess...
Yes, they were both married to Jacob. There was no Torah Law at this point in time (this is like what the fourth time I'm telling you this) and so there was not Torah prescribed method of marriage at this time.
The marriage ceremony is absent from the Torah because there is no commandment to get married. There are only situational Laws that apply to people who are already married.
That is one of the words that can refer to the husband, although it technically means "master".
No, I'm a male.
The word Torah means "directives". It comes from the word ירה yrh meaning to direct. Any type of directive is called "Torah" and the word is used in the Tanach to refer to things other than the content of the Torah scroll. Such as Lev. 6:18 "the Torah of the sin offering" to mean the Laws regarding sin offerings.
A mitswah is a commandment. It comes from the root tswh meaning 'command'. Anything that G-d commands a person, individually or nationally is a mitswah because it was commanded. We also use the term to specifically refer to the body of commandments incumbent on every Jew. But the word doesn't specifically mean that.
All the verse you are quoting is saying is that G-d commanded Abraham various unspecified things and Abraham listened to them all.
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