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Exodus was not in Egypt

Magus

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The three siblings, Moses-Aaron-Miriam are the three peaked mountains of Hermon , that is thrice-greatest Hermes (Hermes Trismegistus) that are covered in Snow .

Moses
behold, his hand was leprous as snow *Exodus 4:3

Miriam
Miriam became leprous, white as snow *Numbers 12:10

Aaron
Died at the top of Mount Hor *Numbers 33:38

Mount Hor = Mount Hermon

Numbers 34:8
From mount Hor ye shall point out your border unto the entrance of Hamath
Joshua 3:15
From mount Hermon unto entering into Hamath.
Jeremiah 18:14
Will a man leave the snow of Lebanon


 
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Magus

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Take a look at Mount Hermon .
 
With God's hand it could... so Yes.

I agree with you, we need to look slightly different then with modern maps...

Back in highschool this good girl wrote America on the orientation map were it should say Ormberget ("Serpents Mountain") Ormberget is a small hill not long from here that our theologicans in my hometown has defined (secretly)
as the holy mountain of God. Himaliya is locate 8000 kilometers southeast from here and is also by other theologicans been defined as the holy mountain of God. the mountain were the archangels (according to some theologicans) gathered their meetings.

Similar theologicans and wise men created an Eden in Copenhagen named Christiania. Christiania can be located in a smaller area outside a church that can be spotted away from the central train station in Copenhagen. Other theologicans has created a holy mountain of God in the farthest heights of northern Scandinavia. Bethel exist in Alaska US and is a interesting place to be, similar to Danish Longbearbyen. because wise men has defined those place to be the place were God walks on.

So with geography we need other ways then common maps. The girl writing America on a the checkpoint received highest grade in orientation.
 
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Mohsen

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
lol wth is this.

Trippy nonsense !!! :D is what it is... the OP doesn't seem to know that Mizr, is the ancient and still extant name for Egypt in the Middle East. In fact, Egyptians call their land in their native languages - Mizr... the a-im, at the end in Hebrew denote the suffix of respect! Mizra'im - Egypt, in modern day! :D

OP sorry to put a pin in that bubble, but it had to burst at some point!

Peace
 

Magus

Active Member
The word LIGHT , it as the letter G in that word but it is auxiliary and it is really pronounced LIOHT , That is cognate with the Greek word λευκόν ' LEVKON (White ) ' because K is auxiliary then write it LEVON pronounced lä·van in Hebrew that is לָבַן (Laban ) meaning White , as a proper locative noun לְבָנוֹן (Lebanon ) but note in Hebrew, בָּבֶל (BBL ) becomes Βαβυλὼν (locative noun)
as does Shemer (שֶׁמֶר) SMR > Samaria (שֹׁמְרוֹן) SMRON * 1Ki 16:24
 

Magus

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Trippy nonsense !!! :D is what it is... the OP doesn't seem to know that Mizr, is the ancient and still extant name for Egypt in the Middle East. In fact, Egyptians call their land in their native languages - Mizr... the a-im, at the end in Hebrew denote the suffix of respect! Mizra'im - Egypt, in modern day! :D

OP sorry to put a pin in that bubble, but it had to burst at some point!

Peace

The native Ancient Egyptian name is km.t, Muslims have utterly destroyed
Egypt, what do they know.

Meso means 'Middle , Mesopotamia ' Between two rivers ' and Mizraim simply means 'Middle of the two arms, or two branches of the Nile' ῥόος ( Roos ) means 'stream, flow of water ' , but contextually can refer to any place situated between rivers .
 

robocop (actually)

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Premium Member
I am not that smart. Here is what I think.

but these words are not specific to a region.

Does that mean it can't be Egypt?

Exodus 1:11
'treasure cities'
- 1Ki 9:19 - built in Lebanon
- 2 Ch 8:6 - built in Lebanon

Exodus 14:2 - Pihahiroth ( פִּי הַחִרֹת ), this is not an Egyptian word, it means 'Burnt Mouth
and synonym with 'Ethiopia' , see Genesis 2:13, but also synonym with ' יָם סוֹף ( Yam Suph )
usually means 'Red Sea ' but Suph, from פֶּה ( peh ) means Mouth , during winter the mouths
of the streams are frozen, but during spring, the suns heat melts them and they feed the boundary rivers, Red Sea , Eden, Edem and Jordan are all synonymous terms.

I think these are the only verses you presented during the Exodus story. Can you prove that "Pihahiroth" is not an Egyptian word? Sometimes words are later discovered in a language. Doesn't Bethlehem mean house of bread and house of meat to Hebrews and Arabs? Could it be a word shared by both cultures?

Help me read your explanation. Like I said I am not that smart but I am reluctant to give up that the Egyptians were involved in the story. Should I read your other posts?
 
With the new world, all things changed... according to some Abraham came from America. According to others English was the language spoken in eden.
 

Magus

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Pihahiroth never appears in the Septuagint, in it's place they write it as 'ἔπαυλις' ' EPAULIS ' ( Habitation ) , when you put that into Hebrew it is 'חֲוִילָה ( Havilah )
and cognate with חַוָּה (HVA ) ( Village ) , that is also cognate with our English words 'Village and Villa.

חַוָּה appear in four verses , always describing JAIR

Numbers 32:41
Jair ..... Havothjair
חַוּוֹת יָעִיר ' HVTE IOIR '

A synonym is חָצֵר HZR

Ezekiel 47:16 'Hazarhatticon ' HZR E TIKON

Pihahroth פי החירת
' PI E HIRT


חָוַר * chavar * to be white, grow white, grow pale
חָרַר * Charar * burnt
חַרְחֻר * extreme Heat
חָרָה * Kindle

Pi e hroth * Burnt Mouth or White Mouth

ה(e) is just used as an article

Only in Hebrew can the name Pihahiroth be derived.
 
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MohammadPali

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The native Ancient Egyptian name is km.t, Muslims have utterly destroyed
Egypt, what do they know.

Meso means 'Middle , Mesopotamia ' Between two rivers ' and Mizraim simply means 'Middle of the two arms, or two branches of the Nile' ῥόος ( Roos ) means 'stream, flow of water ' , but contextually can refer to any place situated between rivers .



I hope you know there is also a misr in yemen too.
 

Magus

Active Member
Havilah sounds like Villa. ' Not coincidence '
In fact you look up חַוָּה it used primarily to describe Jair , fuller word is 'חַוּוֹת יָעִיר(Havoth Jair)
and more fuller בשן חות יאיר ( Bashan Havoth Jair )

Num 32:41 * Jair took the small towns hereof, and called them Havothjair.
1 Kings 4:13 towns of Jair
Deu 3:14 * Bashanhavothjair,' *

בָּשָׁן is a simply a dialectic form of Pison

Gen 2:11
The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah

Nahum 1:4
He rebukes the sea and makes it dry,
And dries up all the rivers.
Bashan and Carmel wither,
And the flower of Lebanon wiltsead
 

Grandliseur

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I have completely uprooted the entire story of the Exodus out of real-world Egypt. The story didn't take place in that geography and i can linguistically prove it.

The one word that puts it in Egypt is מִצְרַיִם ' Mizraim ' , this word means 'between two streams'
in Greek that is 'μέσο ῥόον' / Meso Roon / that is synonymous with μέσο ποταμός / Meso Potamos /
but these words are not specific to a region.

Joshua 11:8 ' Misrephothmaim ' = μέσο ποταμός
Genesis 25:20 'Padanaram'

You have have come across the word 'Padan Aram' , Septuagint writes it as 'Mesopotamia-Syria
(to distinguish it from the other Mesopotamia) and that is Greek too , πεδίων Μασσω ' Padion Messo'
meaning 'Between two Joints'

They are referring to the rivers, Litani and Orontes that emerge in opposite directions from Mount Hermon
and that is Padan-Aram, also known as Beqaa Valley or Coele-Syria.

Exodus 1:11
'treasure cities'
- 1Ki 9:19 - built in Lebanon
- 2 Ch 8:6 - built in Lebanon

Pithom, same as Ethom, in Greek , Βουθαν or Beth-On near Migdol (Lebanon)

Ramses רַעְמְסֵס , in GK Ραμεσση from ῥῶ μέσσῃ ( between two stream) or
Ramoth that is also in Lebanon

Third City ( Only mentioned in the Septuagint )
Heliopolis ' Baalbek ' and אָוֶן ( On ), in Syria-Lebanon-Eden/Edem ( Amos 1:5)

Exodus 14:2 - Pihahiroth ( פִּי הַחִרֹת ), this is not an Egyptian word, it means 'Burnt Mouth
and synonym with 'Ethiopia' , see Genesis 2:13, but also synonym with ' יָם סוֹף ( Yam Suph )
usually means 'Red Sea ' but Suph, from פֶּה ( peh ) means Mouth , during winter the mouths
of the streams are frozen, but during spring, the suns heat melts them and they feed the boundary rivers, Red Sea , Eden, Edem and Jordan are all synonymous terms.

Gen 5:32 - HAM , is written in Gk 'Χαμ' (Xam ) 'cold-region '
thus the reason Canaan / Lebanon are on the HAM branch, the frost-region
around Mt Hermon.

Gen 10:15 - Canaan
Gen 10:17 Sinite -סִינִי ( SINAI )
Gen 10:18 - Hamath ( < In Lebanon-Syria)

Genesis 10 nearly puts Sinai right next to Hamath , Sinai means 'Snow
from Greek 'χιών' ( Khion ) .

- Where the authors poor at geography -

Judges 3:3 * Hamath in Lebanon
in mount Lebanon, from mount Baalhermon unto the entering in of Hamath.
Num 34:8 * Mount Hor is near 'Hamath
From mount Hor ye shall point out your border unto the entrance of Hamath
Num 21:4 *Mount Hor is near Red Sea
And they journeyed from mount Hor by the way of the Red sea, to compass the land of Edom
Numbers 33:41 * Zalmon near Hor
Departed from Mount Hor and pitched in Zalmonah (צַלְמוֹן )
Psalm 68:14 * Zalmon was white as Snow
it was white as snow in Zalmon (צַלְמוֹן )
Judges 9:48 * Mount Hermon ( Septuagint)
get him up to Mount Zalmon
Nice hobby you have here. I am not going to join you in it. I did long time ago, though.

Some Christians have already done a really good job of examining the trip. They even found evidence when they used modern radar or satellite information on Sinai where a clear path was found to lead from Egypt to Nuweiba, the place of crossing. Here a pillar of Solomon still stands commemoration the place of crossing.
Solomon's pillar Google earth: ( 28°58'11.48"N, 34°38'32.71"E)
The pillar on the Egyptian side has no inscription while the one on the Saudi side has. Unfortunately, once it was pointed out to the Saudis what this was they removed the pillar and all you have there now is some kind of indication of where it stood. I believe the inscription is still known and perhaps a picture of that pillar exists.

If you look at this next location, Meribah, you can on google earth see pictures that show the rock where water came out.
Meribah, rock of: ( 28°43'18.23"N, 35°14'21.51"E)

I also have the location for mount Horeb and Sinai, Elijah's cave, if you should want them. The Idol cow altar is here( 28°34'52.97"N, 35°23'45.59"E). If you go near this location, you will see a picture, group of, where you still can see engraved the idolatrous cows worshiped there.
 

Magus

Active Member
Throughout the Old Testament, you won't come across the
phrase 'River Jordan ', Jordan first appears in Genesis 13:10

Genesis 13:10
And Lot lifted up his eyes, and beheld the round districts of Jordan, was well watered every where

כִּכָּר ( Kikkar ) means 'round, circle or whirl ', the Septuagint
word is περίχωρος 'round-about' .

Pison - that 'goes around
Gihon - that 'goes around

A strange description occurs in the Book of Jeremiah and Zechariah

Jeremiah 49:19
Behold, he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan
Jeremiah 12:5
thou do in the swelling of Jordan
Zechariah 11:3
voice of the roaring of young lions; for the pride of Jordan is spoiled.

In the Hebrew, that is written גאון הירדן׃
' Gaown Jordan ' Γηων Ἰορδάνης

Genesis 2:13
And the name of the second river is Gihon:

Psalms 46:3
Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof, There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High. God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early.

The word also means Pride and is used to describe Lions

Jeremiah 49:19
Behold, he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan

There is a River that comes out of Mount Hermon , that is in fact
called River Litani , or River Leontes , the LION River that emerging
from the estuaries (Jordan) of Hermon.

There is another Lion river that emerges from Mount known as Orontes
that could also be a locative form of אֲרִי , which would be אֲרִיוֹן ' Arion ' , Arnon or Aaron?


Deuteronomy 4:48
From Aroer, which is by the bank of the river Arnon, even unto mount Sion, which is Hermon

 
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Magus

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Meribah Kadesh * Lebanon-Syria


Exekiel 47:18-20 * Meribah Kadesh in Lebanon
The east side, from between Hauran, Damascus, Gilead and the land of Israel, shall be the Jordan; from the north border to the eastern sea you shall measure. This is the east side.
On the south side it will run from Tamar to the waters of Meribath Kadesh, the river, to the Great Sea. This is the south side. On the west side, the Great Sea shall be the boundary to a point opposite the entrance of Hamath. This shall be the west side


"Tamar to the waters of Meribath Kadesh"
Φοινικῶνος ἕως ὕδατος Μαριμωθ Καδης ( Septuagint )
Phoenikon ............Marimoth Kadesh

Genesis 14:15
Hobah, which is on the left hand of Damascus.
Genesis 14:17
And they returned, and came to Enmishpat, which is Kadesh, and smote all the country of the Amalekites, and also the Amorites, that dwelt in Hazezontamar.
2 Chronicles 20:2
There cometh a great multitude against thee from beyond the sea on this side Syria; and, behold, they be in Hazazontamar, which is Engedi.
 

Magus

Active Member
Mount Horeb

Deuteronomy 1:2
Horeb by the way of mount Seir unto Kadeshbarnea

Genesis 14:6
And the Horites in their mount Seir, unto Elparan, which is by the wilderness.
Genesis 14:7
And they returned, and came to Enmishpat, which is Kadesh ...Hazezontamar.
Deuteronomy 1:44
Seir, even unto Hormah.

Seir
means hairy, used figuratively to describe the snow of the mountains
of Lebanon, it is also the name Syria.

Deuteronomy 3:9
Hermon is called Sirion by the Sidonians; the Amorites call it Senir

Songs 4:8
Come with me from Lebanon, my spouse, with me from Lebanon: look from the top of Amana, from the top of Shenir and Hermon, from the lions' dens, from the mountains of the leopards

Gen 25:25 '
Esau came out red, 'hairy' (Se'ar)

Gen 25:26 ' Esau's heal (`aqeb)
Gen 3:15 ' bruise his heel (`aqeb)

Gen 37:31
And they took Joseph's coat, and killed a kid ( sa`iyr) of the goats, and dipped the coat in the blood

Dan 7:9
whose garment was white as snow, and the hair (Se'ar) of his head like the pure wool his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire

Gen 25:25
hairy garment (אַדֶּרֶת) 'addereth

2Ki 2:8
And Elijah took his mantle ('addereth) and wrapped it together, and smote the waters
they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground.

2Ki 2:13
He took up also the mantle ('addereth) of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan (estuary)
 
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David T

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Premium Member
I have completely uprooted the entire story of the Exodus out of real-world Egypt. The story didn't take place in that geography and i can linguistically prove it.

The one word that puts it in Egypt is מִצְרַיִם ' Mizraim ' , this word means 'between two streams'
in Greek that is 'μέσο ῥόον' / Meso Roon / that is synonymous with μέσο ποταμός / Meso Potamos /
but these words are not specific to a region.

Joshua 11:8 ' Misrephothmaim ' = μέσο ποταμός
Genesis 25:20 'Padanaram'

You have have come across the word 'Padan Aram' , Septuagint writes it as 'Mesopotamia-Syria
(to distinguish it from the other Mesopotamia) and that is Greek too , πεδίων Μασσω ' Padion Messo'
meaning 'Between two Joints'

They are referring to the rivers, Litani and Orontes that emerge in opposite directions from Mount Hermon
and that is Padan-Aram, also known as Beqaa Valley or Coele-Syria.

Exodus 1:11
'treasure cities'
- 1Ki 9:19 - built in Lebanon
- 2 Ch 8:6 - built in Lebanon

Pithom, same as Ethom, in Greek , Βουθαν or Beth-On near Migdol (Lebanon)

Ramses רַעְמְסֵס , in GK Ραμεσση from ῥῶ μέσσῃ ( between two stream) or
Ramoth that is also in Lebanon

Third City ( Only mentioned in the Septuagint )
Heliopolis ' Baalbek ' and אָוֶן ( On ), in Syria-Lebanon-Eden/Edem ( Amos 1:5)

Exodus 14:2 - Pihahiroth ( פִּי הַחִרֹת ), this is not an Egyptian word, it means 'Burnt Mouth
and synonym with 'Ethiopia' , see Genesis 2:13, but also synonym with ' יָם סוֹף ( Yam Suph )
usually means 'Red Sea ' but Suph, from פֶּה ( peh ) means Mouth , during winter the mouths
of the streams are frozen, but during spring, the suns heat melts them and they feed the boundary rivers, Red Sea , Eden, Edem and Jordan are all synonymous terms.

Gen 5:32 - HAM , is written in Gk 'Χαμ' (Xam ) 'cold-region '
thus the reason Canaan / Lebanon are on the HAM branch, the frost-region
around Mt Hermon.

Gen 10:15 - Canaan
Gen 10:17 Sinite -סִינִי ( SINAI )
Gen 10:18 - Hamath ( < In Lebanon-Syria)

Genesis 10 nearly puts Sinai right next to Hamath , Sinai means 'Snow
from Greek 'χιών' ( Khion ) .

- Where the authors poor at geography -

Judges 3:3 * Hamath in Lebanon
in mount Lebanon, from mount Baalhermon unto the entering in of Hamath.
Num 34:8 * Mount Hor is near 'Hamath
From mount Hor ye shall point out your border unto the entrance of Hamath
Num 21:4 *Mount Hor is near Red Sea
And they journeyed from mount Hor by the way of the Red sea, to compass the land of Edom
Numbers 33:41 * Zalmon near Hor
Departed from Mount Hor and pitched in Zalmonah (צַלְמוֹן )
Psalm 68:14 * Zalmon was white as Snow
it was white as snow in Zalmon (צַלְמוֹן )
Judges 9:48 * Mount Hermon ( Septuagint)
get him up to Mount Zalmon
I totally disagree I saw the documentary "exodus" clearly showing Charlton Heston is Moses reincarnated. I mean watch the documentary Moses looks just like him it's all right there!
 

Magus

Active Member
Feast of the Tabernacle

The word that is 'Tabernacle', is 'סֻכָּה cukkah this word means Sap, it is the
same as the Latin 'Succus '

According to Exodus 16:31, was white and tastes of Honey , thus identified
as the white-sap or gum-resin (Olibanum) of the Cedar trees of Lebanon

Frankincense לְבוֹנָה ( lĕbownah ) .

Cedars of Lebanon are the emblem of that country. it's wood was sacred and used to construct all the palaces and temples around the Levant and even throughout the Mediterranean.

Psalm 104:16
The trees of the LORD are full of sap; the cedars of Lebanon, which he hath planted


http://olivepresspublisher.com/wp/insights/frankincense/
Cedar of Lebanon photo - Cedrus libani - G37188


Song of Solomon 4:6
Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, I will get me to the mountain of myrrh(more) , and to the hill of frankincense ( lĕbownah )
Thou art all fair, my love; there is no spot in thee.

Come with me from Lebanon, my spouse, with me from Lebanon: look from the top of Amana, from the top of Shenir and Hermon, from the lions' dens, from the mountains of the leopards

Matthew 2:11
frankincense (λίβανος libanos) and myrrh (σμύρνα smyrna)

Songs of Solomon 4:6
A bundle of myrrh is my wellbeloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.

Songs of Solomon 4:6
Thy lips, O my spouse, drop as the honeycomb: honey and milk are under thy tongue; and the smell of thy garments is like the smell of Lebanon.

Myrrh and Frankincense are Lebanese products.
 

Magus

Active Member
Song 3:9
- King Solomon made himself a chariot (אַפִּרְיוֹן) of the wood of Lebanon.

www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H668&t=KJV
www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%81%CE%B5%E1%BF%96%CE%BF%CE%BD&la=greek
If you read the ignorant Lexicon, it says 'Probably of Egyptian derivation ' but if you read the Septuagint the Greek word is 'φορεῖον ( POREION ) that as an actual meaning.

POREION
APRION * אַפִּרְיוֹן

φορεῖον means 'Palanquin ' or sedan chair ' Chair made of Cedar '
πορεῖον means 'Poreion' ' Carriage '

φ interchanges with K , therefor are cognitive with words Car, Chariot and Carriage and Cherub.

All of this work is my own , nothing cut and pasted.

Christians only read the Bible in English, were-as i am learning Hebrew and Greek simultaneously, the actual languages of the Book and i am developing my own secular lexicon.
 
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