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The gods must be crazy

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Have you ever had an experience with God, the gods, benevolent spirits, or some supernatural entity, and it just seemed bizarre, silly, foolish, irrational, or childish to you?

Just wondering if that is a normal reaction to have to a mystical experience. I'm open to many possibilities. I also feel that way about Scripture. Just read some of the prophetic visions or the book of Revelation. Why does God speak so often in ways that are so unclear and resemble a hallucinogenic trip?

1 Cor 2:14
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness,

1 Corinthians 4:10
We are fools for Christ
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
The palatypus is evidence that the gods like to get intoxicated :p
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
Genesis 6:4
“The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. ”

Really?

Proverbs 31:6
“Let beer be for those who are perishing, wine for those who are in anguish!”

2 Kings 2:23-24
“From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. ‘Get out of here, baldy!’ they said. ‘Get out of here, baldy!’ He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.”

Could you imagine seeing that... those 42 children got a death sentence for calling someone baldy?

Revelation 13:1
New International Version
The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns... And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion

Wtf? :D
 
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RoaringSilence

Active Member
Have you ever had an experience with God, the gods, benevolent spirits, or some supernatural entity, and it just seemed bizarre, silly, foolish, irrational, or childish to you?

Just wondering if that is a normal reaction to have to a mystical experience. I'm open to many possibilities. I also feel that way about Scripture. Just read some of the prophetic visions or the book of Revelation. Why does God speak so often in ways that are so unclear and resemble a hallucinogenic trip?

1 Cor 2:14
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness,

1 Corinthians 4:10
We are fools for Christ
you need to understand that brain is a tool for survival , and beyond your brain is your being .. and that being can wear any sized brain from any planet , while you dedicate all your chi to your brain to solve god for you , it will only teach you to pick options that are safe or those that protect you .. simply coz brain= tool for survival.

ive personally seen so much beyond miracles in my life , maybe im just lucky or its my past karma earnings ..so i wouldn't impose that criteria on others .. when i say beyond miracles i don't mean one thing going right .. but a whole sequence of events of more than 100 impossibilities falling in alignment to make an x thing happen.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Have you ever had an experience with God, the gods, benevolent spirits, or some supernatural entity, and it just seemed bizarre, silly, foolish, irrational, or childish to you?

Just wondering if that is a normal reaction to have to a mystical experience. I'm open to many possibilities. I also feel that way about Scripture. Just read some of the prophetic visions or the book of Revelation. Why does God speak so often in ways that are so unclear and resemble a hallucinogenic trip?

1 Cor 2:14
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness,

1 Corinthians 4:10
We are fools for Christ

And it's crazy to think that we're here due to natural events such as accidents and chances.

The bible have been distorted by humans, people in the past believed that who work in Saturday should be killed, but Jesus fought them and their human laws that they refereed it to God.

Matthew 23:13
"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people's faces. You won't go in yourselves, and you don't let others enter either
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Have you ever had an experience with God, the gods, benevolent spirits, or some supernatural entity, and it just seemed bizarre, silly, foolish, irrational, or childish to you?

Just wondering if that is a normal reaction to have to a mystical experience. I'm open to many possibilities. I also feel that way about Scripture. Just read some of the prophetic visions or the book of Revelation. Why does God speak so often in ways that are so unclear and resemble a hallucinogenic trip!

Kinda, though i did not see anything.

I was working (graveyard shift) and had to go outside to small dark shed to fill a 200 gal tote with water. As I am standing there I kept getting a creepy feeling as if I was being watched. Then a thought oocured to me. "What if a gnarly looking demon just popped around this corner trapping you in this shed?" I considered a second or two and thought back "I'd squirt him right in the face with this damn water hose and run like hell!" And I p00p you not! I heard a chuckle, which I then proceeded to turn of the water hose and got the f00k outa there!

I am 99.99999% sure it was just an overactive imagination combined with the spooky surroundings at 3 o'lock in the morning while totally alone and somewhat vulnerable being distracted by my task. But it didn't change the fact it was creepy/funny. :D
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
And it's crazy to think that we're here due to natural events such as accidents and chances.

Science does not propose that any natural events are accident nor the foolish notion of chance, including the science of evolution. The cause and effect relationships to their outcomes are determined by natural laws. The variable nature of the outcome of the cause and effect relationships are fractal in nature (chaos theory) and cannot happen accidentally nor by chance outside the limits of natural law.

Accidents are human problems when they goof!

The bible have been distorted by humans, . . .

True, with many conflicting variations of different churches and sects who believe differently.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Science does not propose that any natural events are accident nor the foolish notion of chance, including the science of evolution. The cause and effect relationships to their outcomes are determined by natural laws. The variable nature of the outcome of the cause and effect relationships are fractal in nature (chaos theory) and cannot happen accidentally nor by chance outside the limits of natural law.

Accidents are human problems when they goof!

And how mutations happened, doesn't it due to randomness affected by accidents and chances?
if not then please explain it in scientific way.
 

Geoff-Allen

Resident megalomaniac
Have you ever had an experience with God, the gods, benevolent spirits, or some supernatural entity, and it just seemed bizarre, silly, foolish, irrational, or childish to you?

Yes - it was bizarrre - even wrote a little poem about it ... I experienced an altered state-of-consciousness on a psych ward ... I had little need for sleep or food and felt total euphoria and peace that surpasses understanding - foolishly I assumed it would never end! ...

Here's the poem -

One Man's Heaven

I write this little poem as I sit
I'm in Acacia ward until I split
Surrounded by the maddest folk
It is the sweetest, most ironic joke

I'm actually living in another world
Where dreams and magic are unfurled
The people in here have no greed or hate
They all have learned the way to wait

Waiting for the coming of the sun
Knowing they are truly all one
We laugh along with all the staff
My best mate thinks he's a giraffe

I gladly watch over these fragile souls
Some think their minds are full of holes
They cannot handle the jungle outside
This is their refuge where they can hide

They hide not from themselves of course
We are all connected to one pure source
Our hearts and minds have merged with each other
I call every one in here my soul-brother

If you want to join us, please feel free
It really is the best place to be
Surrounded by such understanding
You'll find we are never ever demanding

You'll never know who you might meet
If you take a walk down our secret street
Please visit us if you get the chance
We may even teach your soul to dance

Enjoy!
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
And how mutations happened, doesn't it due to randomness affected by accidents and chances?
if not then please explain it in scientific way.

I will follow up with a detailed explanation from the scientific perspective, but nonetheless this is not terminology nor concepts that science considers the natural processes in the nature of our existence, and the natural process of evolution. It is terminology used by fundamentalist Christians that do not believe in the science of evolution.

Chances? Is not meaningful, nor is randomness, because they are not causal as far as the outcome of cause and effect outcomes of the events in the process of evolution. They represent a layman's misuse of terminology to criticize evolution as false. Even the correct concept the fractal math (Chaos Theory) that more accurately describes the outcome of the natural world of cause and effect relationships. This only describes the variation of the outcome of these events and do not cause the outcome of these events.

From: Dictionary.com - The world’s favorite online dictionary!
ac·ci·dent ˈaksədənt/ noun
  1. 1.
    an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.
    "he had an accident at the factory"
    synonyms: mishap, misadventure, unfortunate incident, mischance, misfortune, disaster, tragedy, catastrophe, calamity;
    technicalcasualty
    "an accident at work"
  2. 2.
    an event that happens by chance or that is without apparent or deliberate cause.
    "the pregnancy was an accident"
    synonyms: (mere) chance, coincidence, twist of fate, freak;"
Natural Laws in the macro world are the cause of all outcomes of natural cause and effect relationships within a limited possible outcomes with a variability that is described by fractal math.

Next post a description of how this applies to the science of evolution.

Most important when we are talking science correct terminology and concepts are critical and not layman's misuse of common language.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
I will follow up with a detailed explanation from the scientific perspective, but nonetheless this is not terminology nor concepts that science considers the natural processes in the nature of our existence, and the natural process of evolution. It is terminology used by fundamentalist Christians that do not believe in the science of evolution.

Chances? Is not meaningful, nor is randomness, because they are not causal as far as the outcome of cause and effect outcomes of the events in the process of evolution. They represent a layman's misuse of terminology to criticize evolution as false. Even the correct concept the fractal math (Chaos Theory) that more accurately describes the outcome of the natural world of cause and effect relationships. This only describes the variation of the outcome of these events and do not cause the outcome of these events.

From: Dictionary.com - The world’s favorite online dictionary!
ac·ci·dent ˈaksədənt/ noun
  1. 1.
    an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.
    "he had an accident at the factory"
    synonyms: mishap, misadventure, unfortunate incident, mischance, misfortune, disaster, tragedy, catastrophe, calamity;
    technicalcasualty
    "an accident at work"
  2. 2.
    an event that happens by chance or that is without apparent or deliberate cause.
    "the pregnancy was an accident"
    synonyms: (mere) chance, coincidence, twist of fate, freak;"
Natural Laws in the macro world are the cause of all outcomes of natural cause and effect relationships within a limited possible outcomes with a variability that is described by fractal math.

Next post a description of how this applies to the science of evolution.

Most important when we are talking science correct terminology and concepts are critical and not layman's misuse of common language.

If you believe that the terms were wrong then what caused the big bang and what was the natural laws before the big bang if you believe that it's all about the natural laws?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Have you ever had an experience with God, the gods, benevolent spirits, or some supernatural entity, and it just seemed bizarre, silly, foolish, irrational, or childish to you?
I've posted it before, therefore I'm going to only briefly respond to this.

I was never a believer in e.s.p., "spiritual connections" to other people, etc. until what began a couple of years ago that involved an old girlfriend of mine, my wife, and myself. Coincidence cannot explain the many things that have happened and, for me, it's become quite a game-changer.

To put it briefly, there's "Something" out there that I simply cannot explain nor understand, but I am absolutely convinced it's there nevertheless, as nothing else can explain this pattern.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
If you believe that the terms were wrong . . .
The terminology and understanding of science in terms 'accident or chance' are wrong regardless.

. . . then what caused the big bang and what was the natural laws before the big bang if you believe that it's all about the natural laws?

Natural Laws and Methodological Naturalism are the only tools presently available to understand the origins of the universe, ie big bang cosmology), and the history of life on earth, the science of evolution.

First point, we have the various possible understanding of the hypothesis of 'Big Bang' cosmology, and other possible hypothesis of origins of the universe because of sound predictable science, and not the science of 'accidents and chance.'

Second, based on sound science the hypothesis of 'Big Bang' cosmology is that our universe began as a singularity. There are possible hypothesis for a cyclic universe.

The question as to what the Natural Laws were before the singularity formed and the expansion that resulted in our universe is unknown. There are hypothesis and theories concerning the laws of the greater cosmos beyond our universe. Some propose that Natural Laws are the same regardless for all possible universes, others proposals describe the possibility that different universes could possibly form with different laws in a multiverse hypothesis.

Be careful of 'arguing from ignorance' to justify a religious agenda, because at present there are unknowns therefore . . .
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
The terminology and understanding of science in terms 'accident or chance' are wrong regardless.



Natural Laws and Methodological Naturalism are the only tools presently available to understand the origins of the universe, ie big bang cosmology), and the history of life on earth, the science of evolution.

First point, we have the various possible understanding of the hypothesis of 'Big Bang' cosmology, and other possible hypothesis of origins of the universe because of sound predictable science, and not the science of 'accidents and chance.'

Second, based on sound science the hypothesis of 'Big Bang' cosmology is that our universe began as a singularity. There are possible hypothesis for a cyclic universe.

The question as to what the Natural Laws were before the singularity formed and the expansion that resulted in our universe is unknown. There are hypothesis and theories concerning the laws of the greater cosmos beyond our universe. Some propose that Natural Laws are the same regardless for all possible universes, others proposals describe the possibility that different universes could possibly form with different laws in a multiverse hypothesis.

Be careful of 'arguing from ignorance' to justify a religious agenda, because at present there are unknowns therefore . . .

I am not justifying anything, but you refuse to use the word accident, then we don't know how the universe started, what makes it started, what laws that existed before the big bang, where did singularity come from?

That being said, accident according to your source is an incident that happened unintentionally, the opposite of it is incidents that happened intentionally, so
do you think that the singularity and the big bang happened intentionally or unintentionally?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I am not justifying anything, but you refuse to use the word accident, then we don't know how the universe started, what makes it started, what laws that existed before the big bang, where did singularity come from?

Actually I believe you are trying to negate the scientific, and justify "from God."

Of course, we nor science does not "know" how the universe began. Science is not based on "knowing" anything. It is based on the falsification of theories and hypothesis using the objective evidence.

Your questions imply the fallacy 'argument from ignorance,' that since science does not "know," therefore . . .

Therefore what?!?!?!?!

That being said, accident according to your source is an incident that happened unintentionally, the opposite of it is incidents that happened intentionally, so do you think that the singularity and the big bang happened intentionally or unintentionally?

Intentionally implies anthropomorphic intent as in God's intent was Create the universe. This would imply a theological explanation for the origin of the universe based on belief, not science.

Unintentionally implies something happen accidentally or without cause by 'accident.'

Actually, based on science neither intentionally nor unintentionally would have anything to do with the scientific theories and hypothesis concerning the origins of the universe. Based on the best evidence available the universe formed by Natural Law.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Actually I believe you are trying to negate the scientific, and justify "from God."

Of course, we nor science does not "know" how the universe began. Science is not based on "knowing" anything. It is based on the falsification of theories and hypothesis using the objective evidence.

Your questions imply the fallacy 'argument from ignorance,' that since science does not "know," therefore . . .

Therefore what?!?!?!?!



Intentionally implies anthropomorphic intent as in God's intent was Create the universe. This would imply a theological explanation for the origin of the universe based on belief, not science.

Unintentionally implies something happen accidentally or without cause by 'accident.'

Actually, based on science neither intentionally nor unintentionally would have anything to do with the scientific theories and hypothesis concerning the origins of the universe. Based on the best evidence available the universe formed by Natural Law.

And how the natural law existed at first place?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
And how the natural law existed at first place?

Two scenarios: (1) The Theist view God is the Source of Natural Law. (2) The Materialist view is that Natural Law is eternal and has always existed.

There is no human logical argument nor scientific evidence that would conclusively support either scenario over the other, and both maybe true.

I believe in God, and I am Geologist/Soil Scientist. By the evidence the best explanation of the nature and history of our physical existence is science, and God Created our physical existence as it is naturally.
 
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FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Two scenarios: (1) The Theist view God is the Source of Natural Law. (2) The Material view is the Natural Law is eternal and has always existed.

There is no human logical argument nor scientific evidence that would conclusively support either scenario over the other.

I believe in God, and I am Geologist/Soil Scientist. By the evidence the best explanation of the nature and history of our physical existence is science, and God Created our physical existence as it is naturally.

Do you believe that humans were created by God or just happened to be so naturally?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Do you believe that humans were created by God or just happened to be so naturally?

I believe God Created our physical existence and humans by natural processes, but again this is a belief, and not conclusively supported by logical arguments nor objective verifiable evidence.
 
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