No, it doesn't bother me.
But that's cuz it has no negative consequences, despite its being reckless & bumbling.
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"Trump falsely accuses Obama of wiretapping his phone"
- Thread starter Jeremiahcp
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But that's cuz it has no negative consequences, despite its being reckless & bumbling.
esmith
Veteran Member
Ok will not deflect as you say I am attempting to do.I realize you would rather deflect than talk about trump saying something that makes people go.
Gotta love it when they are facepalming at the UN.
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/john-kelly-trump-north-korea/
I am in total agreement with the current policies associated with North Korea.
Seems that you are reading into what he said something that he did not say.
I don't think the President said that attacking North Korea was the only option available. I think he said that North Korea would suffer a massive attack if they attacked the US or our allies. Now his words were verbose in that respect, but sometimes plain words get the idea across.
That good enough for a non-deflection.
You mean the article read into it, IDK if I even chimed my opinion on it. I know what Nationalism is, I'm more of a UN type person. Some things need not to be said, Trump sounds as bad as Kim Jong Un on wanting to destroy their enemies.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Here is what he said:
“The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea,” said Trump. “‘Rocket Man’ is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime.”
What I don't understand is whether Trump understands that we can't destroy N. Korea with nuclear weapons, as the fallout will most likely severely harm S. Korea as well, possibly making it unlivable. So, I still don't understand what he meant specifically.
Not to mention, he handed Kim Jong Un a great soundbite that will surely be used as propaganda to rile up his people.
But, all in all, I thought the speech yesterday was pretty decent. I was happy that he just read the teleprompter. Trump is a horrible public speaker, on script or off, but the words he said were strong, forceful and direct. He didn't go on one of his stream of consciousness gaffes that usually make me want to throw up out of embarrassment.
Very important. Their propaganda machine is remarkably efficient and this only adds a bit of oil to it.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Trump isn't right. Obama didn't wiretap his phones. I understand GOP media is trying to spin in that way. The reality is Manafort was under an FBI investigation long before the election. I didn't see anything showing Trump under a FBI investigation at the time. But he is now.
esmith
Veteran Member
What you fail to understand is it doesn't take WMD to obliterate a nations infrastructure, weapon system, weapon manufacturing capabilities or anything else that renders a country capable of attacking or defending itself if you so desire. Do you not agree that during WWII that Germany's capabilities were basically wiped out with conventional weapons, and today's conventional weapons far exceed the capabilities of WWII weapons used in the European theater?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
But, that is not what Trump said. He didn't say that he would have to destroy their capability to attack. He specifically said that he would have to "totally destroy North Korea". You can't totally destroy a country like that with conventional weapons.
Your getting into what you think he said, like he could have said all sorts of things like "I will obliterate that regime" etc. No he said what he said instead.
esmith
Veteran Member
Mister Silver
Faith's Nightmare
You can interpret it one way I can interpret my way.
And my way is always the right way
The wonders of the ego, eh?
Of course everyone will interpret what he actually said. Don't you think the UN facepalm might have been most appropriate.You can interpret it one way I can interpret my way.
And my way is always the right way
I don't often agree with @esmith, but I do think you are reading way to much into Trump's precise phrase. I doubt that even Trump could tell you what it meant. It was really just the sort of vague threat that he might make to a business competitor. And his base loves that macho poop.
Tom
When is there a time people can't read into what that orange man says? He just manages to say everything in the most provocative way possible?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
I think it absolutely necessary to hold Trump accountable for what he says, the words he uses, and the language he uses. He's the leader of the free world. We shouldn't grant him any slack whatsoever just because he is careless with his words.
esmith
Veteran Member
Now I know I will get considerable about of grief about the following but I'm still saying it.
Do you think that the Obama should have been held accountable for what he said?
What does "hold accountable" mean?
What I've seen so far is that it's mostly endless complaining about
something which isn't prosecutable, nor even actionable in any way.
I wonder what anyone wants to do about Trump's reckless wiretapping
statement....other than continually complain.
tytlyf
Not Religious
What did Obama say? And yes, all presidents and elected officials should be held accountable for what they say.
Yeah, that's about the only thing that anyone can do. He said it, someone can log it and keep it as part of the record, but there's no need to keep harping on it over and over. If it's part of the record, then he's already being held accountable to it.
Some statements should be regarded with greater weight than others, depending on the subject matter and importance.
Trump threatens to "totally destroy" N Korea...but what concerns his
critics is that he accused Obama of wiretapping him before the election.
I guess we each have different concerns.