Why don't we get schooling for emotional control

Thief · Aug 8, 2017

bobhikes said:
I believe that to be a Star Trek reference and I am advocating the teaching of the ability to Vulcanise your emotions if you desire but not requiring or encouraging the Vulcaniation of emotions.

in the tv series it was an endeavor for self benefit
personal achievement followed by contribution to community

the series did go that one extra step.....a display of emotion to be seen as a weakness

but that would be a fine line
and a line drawn by others

an emotion allowed to yourself for yourself would be frowned on
self indulgence

the only emotion allowed would be dealt by others

at that point.....you are not free

SabahTheLoner · Aug 8, 2017

Being someone who suffers from a lack of anger control very often, I think being taught how to control your emotions is important if you want to be a successful person. Unfortunately feelings are not valuable to everyone.

It's possible to train yourself to remain calm during unsettling situations and channel your anger or sadness in other ways. The hard part is remembering how to do it throughout your life.

McBell · Aug 8, 2017

bobhikes said:
I would consider emotional essentials to be bare essentials. My state and several states have talked about full year schooling which I am against if they added something I considered important I would consider it.

Schools now have to get their students able to pass a bunch of tests in order to get funding.
So the schools teach what is on the tests and in a lot of cases nothing else.

sun rise · Aug 8, 2017

I agree emotional education is important but it cannot be intellectually taught. There are many references to the benefit of meditation etc, this is one: https://www.forbes.com/sites/aliceg...fits-of-meditation-for-children/#5f387974dbe3

Quintessence · Aug 8, 2017

I'm not sure I follow your line of thought here, @bobhikes. Public education has always focused on "hard" skills and knowledge, not "soft" skills. Not sure what you mean by "emotional training," even after reading some of your downstream responses. What, precisely, is "emotional training?"

bobhikes · Aug 8, 2017

sunrise123 said:
I agree emotional education is important but it cannot be intellectually taught. There are many references to the benefit of meditation etc, this is one: https://www.forbes.com/sites/aliceg...fits-of-meditation-for-children/#5f387974dbe3

I would disagree, the basic's can be easily taught and as we teach it we will learn to make the process better. The problem today is that you would be starting from zero and even psychology is behind our current logical training.

bobhikes · Aug 8, 2017

Quintessence said:
I'm not sure I follow your line of thought here, @bobhikes. Public education has always focused on "hard" skills and knowledge, not "soft" skills. Not sure what you mean by "emotional training," even after reading some of your downstream responses. What, precisely, is "emotional training?"

I don't have an exact plan and I am not an expert but basically.

What are emotions Love, Hate Jealousy, Happiness ...etc. How do the specific emotions effect us mentally and physically? What can be done specifically to effect the emotional conditions? What are best practices on dealing with the emotions?

I myself only know a portion of the answer's for only a few emotions and I believe I have more knowledge than a large portion of the population and emotions and dealing with emotions is very important in life. Just getting that basic knowledge out should benefit society greatly.

sun rise · Aug 8, 2017

bobhikes said:
I would disagree, the basic's can be easily taught and as we teach it we will learn to make the process better. The problem today is that you would be starting from zero and even psychology is behind our current logical training.

Theory can be taught but theory without practice is not worthwhile in this case. If theory were sufficient clinical psychology as we know it would vanish. Theory is like saying "drive your car from LA to NYC" whereas practice is "teaching people to drive".

Quagmire · Aug 8, 2017

Damn good question.

Thief · Aug 8, 2017

bobhikes said:
I don't have an exact plan and I am not an expert but basically.

What are emotions Love, Hate Jealousy, Happiness ...etc. How do the specific emotions effect us mentally and physically? What can be done specifically to effect the emotional conditions? What are best practices on dealing with the emotions?

I myself only know a portion of the answer's for only a few emotions and I believe I have more knowledge than a large portion of the population and emotions and dealing with emotions is very important in life. Just getting that basic knowledge out should benefit society greatly.

a good social structure is the goal?

then....
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you

we have never needed anything else or more

osgart · Aug 8, 2017

what would those emotional controls be?

having emotional outlets.
controlled breathing and meditation.
positive self talk and reflection.
a healthy routine and environment.
teaching proper habits, and habit forming.
relationship guidance.
extolling the virtues.
teaching a positive reality based world view.
emergency coping techniques.
precautions.
how to handle danger and adverse conditions.

Curious George · Aug 8, 2017

bobhikes said:
Society today seems to be at the mercy of emotions. Extreme emotions have taken control. We have schools that train our minds logically but have vastly ignored the emotional side of our minds only considering them when in crisis.

Logically we train with professional from a young age to an adult age and many times beyond.
What professional emotional training do we ever get?

Logically we are encouraged to follow set common protocols world wide.
Emotionally there are no world wide protocols and we actually at times seem to encourage extremism.

Do we not believe emotional training is as valuable as logical training?
Do we not believe emotional training is possible?

In my opinion if we are going to better our world we need to give professional training to the full brain and this includes the emotions.

What are your thoughts?

HEY, BOB-HIKES, leave them kids alone...

lewisnotmiller · Aug 8, 2017

bobhikes said:
Society today seems to be at the mercy of emotions. Extreme emotions have taken control. We have schools that train our minds logically but have vastly ignored the emotional side of our minds only considering them when in crisis.

Logically we train with professional from a young age to an adult age and many times beyond.
What professional emotional training do we ever get?

Aren't you presupposing that 'professional emotional training' is effective?
The LAST person I would want teaching my kids effective emotional training is a psychologist, frankly.
My wife works in the industry and we know a LOT of psych professionals.

bobhikes said:
Logically we are encouraged to follow set common protocols world wide.

What does this mean? Can you give examples?

bobhikes said:
Emotionally there are no world wide protocols and we actually at times seem to encourage extremism.

Who is we?

bobhikes said:
Do we not believe emotional training is as valuable as logical training?
Do we not believe emotional training is possible?

Emotional development is a better way to think of it, in my mind. Helicopter parenting is at odds with it, and whilst with good-intent, I would worry that this style of approach would simply exacerbate what it is trying to assist in.

bobhikes said:
In my opinion if we are going to better our world we need to give professional training to the full brain and this includes the emotions.

I am on board with the idea that emotional iq is important. But without a more specific concept in mind, I can't go much further than that. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and all that.

bobhikes · Aug 8, 2017

osgart said:
what would those emotional controls be?

having emotional outlets.
controlled breathing and meditation.
positive self talk and reflection.
a healthy routine and environment.
teaching proper habits, and habit forming.
relationship guidance.
extolling the virtues.
teaching a positive reality based world view.
emergency coping techniques.
precautions.
how to handle danger and adverse conditions.

Understanding what chemicals the brain release with certain emotions. Understanding what those chemicals do. How to counter or improve those chemicals to change or heighten mode.

Guy Threepwood · Aug 8, 2017

Shiranui117 said:
Because this is something that a child's parents or role models should be able to teach them. We shouldn't need special classes for how to act like a grownup.

Yes, aka real life. arguably 'professional training' is the problem here. Everyone being forced to sit in a classroom being treated like a child well into their young adult years..is a very recent phenomena, it's bound to have consequences

LukeS · Sep 21, 2017

I think the OP has a good idea. But the classes should have an opt out option.

Thief · Sep 21, 2017

bobhikes said:
Understanding what chemicals the brain release with certain emotions. Understanding what those chemicals do. How to counter or improve those chemicals to change or heighten mode.

endorsing?........drug the little kiddies?

bobhikes · Sep 21, 2017

Thief said:
endorsing?........drug the little kiddies?

Without drugs just being able to change the mental state but parents seem to have no problems feeding there kids drugs most trying to get them prescribed.

Rant

So many parents want their kids designated ADD so that they can drug them and excuse normal growing up. My pediatrician recommended growth medicine because at 4 and 5 years old my sons where not progressing fast enough. Parents wanting there kids at 5 years old to start transitioning to another gender which will require drugs for the rest of there life) No more need for drugs and with an understanding of how the brain works perhaps we can minimize them.

Thief · Sep 22, 2017

bobhikes said:
Without drugs just being able to change the mental state but parents seem to have no problems feeding there kids drugs most trying to get them prescribed.

RantSo many parents want their kids designated ADD so that they can drug them and excuse normal growing up. My pediatrician recommended growth medicine because at 4 and 5 years old my sons where not progressing fast enough. Parents wanting there kids at 5 years old to start transitioning to another gender which will require drugs for the rest of there life) No more need for drugs and with an understanding of how the brain works perhaps we can minimize them.

nature is a cruel test......yes
let it be and deal with it.......the test of any parent

as for emotional training....
we do get it in school, but mostly from our peers and how they react

children leading children

WalterTrull · Sep 24, 2017

bobhikes said:
What are your thoughts?

I think Laika already alluded to it, but you may have hit on the reason for the earth

Why don't we get schooling for emotional control

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