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Sometimes the burqa makes me sick

Do you agree that certain forms of the burqa should be banned

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • No

    Votes: 16 66.7%

  • Total voters
    24

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I think it's also good that France banned the burqa. It's sick to treat women like that. There are women in my city that dress like that. It's also creepy when you can't identify or recognize the face of the person you are talking to. Don't you think?
It's incredibly dehumanizing. We heavily rely on facial identification and facial expressions and do so much eye and lip watching, because that's just how we are as human beings, but these women have everything but the sound of their voice erased, and even that is muffled.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Vanakkam

Forcing women to wear burqa should be banned.
If women want to freely wear those, they what can you do? They are free to do so.

Burqa was banned in France for security reasons. ( Not seeing when driving, be sure it's the right person getting the kid from school etc...) Not religious reasons.

Aum namah Shivaya
I agree. With one addition - some things like getting a driver's license require a picture, at least in the US. If a woman won't uncover her face for a driver's license picture, she won't be issued a driver's license.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
As hard pressed as I am to think of any sound reasoning behind a person wanting to wear a full body covering, other than for security reason, I would not be inclined to ban such ill conceived apparel. If they want to pretend that it makes them more spiritual that's their hang up.
 

LukeS

Active Member
Culture shock a lot.

Now the whole world can see each other on the internet, I think we ought to be patient rather than instantly try to force our politics and morals onto different peoples.

Give it 10, 20, or 50 years - but like ecosystems suddenly joined, we're often acting like invasive creatures trying to take over territory.
 
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Jumi

Well-Known Member
If America hadn't shown up the Taliban and Islamist radicals wouldn't have followed, with their dress codes.

"Kabul before the Taliban"
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The Soviet Union and the US played Chess with the people of Afghanistan. Who lost? Everybody except the radicals and even they suffer from their own ideas and deeds. Bush's misstep was of course no better, but before the US invaded, the Taliban were busy destroying the cultural heritage of their country so it's hard to think of them as good guys. When the "big guys play", the biggest losers are always the common people.
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I'm just sickened by how these people treat women. I watched women get taken to a stadium and publically humiliated and killed under the Taliban for petty accusations. America did a great service to Afghanistan.
Yes America did and continues to do the World as a whole a great service. Afghanistan went from almost zero production of Opium to the biggest yields ever seen when American boots landed. Billions were promised on post war infrastructure, schooling, roads, hospitals etc, and yes over 90% of it never materialised, but their experts have identified Trillions of $$$ worth of precious minerals and metals, crucial for the electronics and electric car markets.

America is at the forefront of advancing the rights of others, utilising the banner of 'Democracy' to ensure whole Countries fall in line or face destruction for using their 'democratic' right to reject Uncle Sam's way of life. I know right, they have no idea what they're missing!

Here's some of what 'oppressed' women are missing out on....

Fact #1: Over 22 million women in the United States have been raped in their lifetime. (National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey 2010)

Fact #2: 18.3% of women in the United States have survived a completed or attempted rape. (National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey 2010)

Fact #3: Of the 18.3% of women who have survived rape or attempted rape, 12.3% were younger than age 12 when they were first raped, and 29.9% were between the ages of 11 and 17. (National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey 2010)

Fact #4: Every 90 seconds, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted. (Calculation based on 2012 National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice)

Fact #5: One out of every five American women has been the victims of an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime. (The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey 2010)Fact #6: Approximately 1,270,000 women are raped each year. Another 6,646,000 are victims of other sexual crime, including sexual coercion, unwanted sexual contact, or unwanted sexual experiences. (Department of Justice 2010).

Fact #7: 15% of sexual assault and rape victims are under age 12; 29% are age 12-17; 44% are under age 18; 80% are under age 30; ages 12-34 are the highest risk years. (Department of Justice 2010)

Fact #8: Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault. (Department of Justice 2010)

Fact #9: Most female victims are raped before the age of 25, and almost half of female victims are under the age of 18. (National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey 2010). Fact #10: More than 75% of female victims were raped or sexually assaulted before age 25. (National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey 2010). .

Fact #11: In 2006, 78,000 children were sexually abused. (Child Maltreatment 2006.) Because majority of cases are not reported, it is estimated that the real number could be anywhere from 260,000-650,000 a year. (Finklehor 2008). Fact #12: Almost two-thirds of all rapes are committed by someone who is known to the victim. 73% of sexual assaults were perpetrated by a non-stranger (— 48% of perpetrators were a friend or acquaintance of the victim, 17% were an intimate and 8% were another relative.) (National Crime Victimization Survey 2010)

Fact #13: 63.84% of women who reported being raped, physically assaulted, and/or stalked since age 18 were victimized by a current or former husband, cohabiting partner, boyfriend, or date. (National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey 2010)

Fact #14: Of female rape or sexual assault victims in 2010, 25 percent were assaulted by a stranger, 48 percent by friends or acquaintances, and 17 percent were intimate partners. (National Crime Victimization Survey 2010) Fact #15: Almost 10% of high school students are victims of dating violence each year. (Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance 2009).

Fact #16: According to the Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance Survey (YRBSS), a national survey of high school students, 8.0% of students had been forced to have sexual intercourse when they did not want to. Female students (11.8%) were significantly more likely than male students (4.5%) to have been forced to have sexual intercourse. Overall, black students (17.1%) were significantly more likely than white students (15.2%) to have been forced to have sexual intercourse (CDC 2012).

Fact #17: A study reported in the New York Times suggests that one in five adolescent girls become the victims of physical or sexual violence, or both, in a dating relationship. (New York Times 8/01/01)

Fact #18: 93% of juvenile sexual assault victims know their attacker. 34.2% of attackers were family members and 58.7 were acquaintances. (U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics. Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement 2000.)

Fact #19: The Campus Sexual Assault Study estimated that between 1 in 4 and 1 in 5 college women experience completed or attempted rape during their college years (National Institute of Justice 2007).

Fact #21: About one-third of female murder victims ages 12 or older are killed by an intimate partner. (Department of Justice 2007)

Fact #22: A University of Pennsylvania research study found that domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to low-income, inner-city Philadelphia women between the ages of 15 to 44 - more common than automobile accidents, mugging and rapes combined. In this study domestic violence included injuries caused by street crime.

Fact #23: The FBI estimates that only 46% of rapes and sexual assaults are reported to the police. U.S. Justice Department statistics are even lower, with only 26% of all rapes or attempted rapes being reported to law enforcement officials.

Fact #24: Less than half of domestic violence incidents are reported to police. African-American women are more likely than others to report their victimization to police Lawrence A. Greenfeld et al. (1998). (Violence by Intimates: Analysis of Data on Crimes by Current or Former Spouses, Boyfriends, and Girlfriends. Bureau of Justice Statistics Factbook. Washington DC: U.S. Department of Justice. NCJ #167237. Available from National Criminal Justice Reference Service.)

Fact #25: Sexual violence and gender based violence is associated with a host of short- and long-term problems, including physical injury and illness, psychological symptoms, economic costs, and death (Lifetime Prevalence of Gender-Based Violence in Women and the Relationship with Mental Disorders and Psychosocial Function, Journal of American Medical Association 2011).

Fact #26: Rape victims often experience anxiety, guilt, nervousness, phobias, substance abuse, sleep disturbances, depression, alienation, sexual dysfunction, and aggression. They often distrust others and replay the assault in their minds, and they are at increased risk of future victimization (DeLahunta 1997).

Fact #27: Victims of sexual assault are 3 times more likely to suffer from depression, 6 times more likley to suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder, 14 times more likely to abuse alcohol, 26 times more likely to abuse drugs, and 4 times more likely to contemplate suicide. (World Health Organization 2003)

Fact #28: Sexual violence victims exhibit a variety of psychological symptoms that are similar to those of victims of other types of trauma, such as war and natural disaster (National Research Council 1996). A number of long-lasting symptoms and illnesses have been associated with sexual victimization including chronic pelvic pain; premenstrual syndrome; gastrointestinal disorders; and a variety of chronic pain disorders, including headache, back pain, and facial pain (Koss 1992).Between 4% and 30% of rape victims contract sexually transmitted diseases as a result of the victimization (Resnick 1997).

Fact #29: The costs of intimate partner violence against women exceed an estimated $5.8 billion. These costs include nearly $4.1 billion in the direct costs of medical care and mental health care and nearly $1.8 billion in the indirect costs of lost productivity and present value of lifetime earnings. (Costs of Intimate Partner Violence Against Women in the United States, Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, Atlanta, Georgia, March 2003).

Fact #30 Intimate partner violence causes U.S. women to lose about $727 million in wages from their approximately 8 million days of missed work. (National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, 2003).

Fact #31: It is estimated that 43% of lesbian and bisexual women and 30% of gay and bisexual men have experienced at least one form of sexual assault during their lifetimes. (Rothman 2011)



Fact #32: About 67.9% of rape victims are white; 11.9% are black; 14% are hispanic and 6% are of other races. (National Crime Victimization Survey, Department of Justice 2010).

Fact #33: About half of all rape victims are in the lowest third of income distribution; half are in the upper two-thirds. (Violence against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994.)

Fact #34 Women who resided in households that earned less than $10,000 annually are four times more likely to experience violence than women in wealthier households (Browne, Salomon, & Bassuk 1999)

Fact #35: An estimated 17,500 women and children are trafficked into the United States annually for sexual exploitation or forced labor. (U.S. Department of State Trafficking in Persons Report 2012).

Fact #36: Offenders have been reported to be armed with a gun, knife or other weapon in 11 percent of rape or sexual assault victimizations. (Criminal Victimization, Bureau of Justice, 2010)

Fact #37: Factoring in unreported rapes, about 6% of rapists will ever spend a day in jail. 15 out of 16 will walk free. (Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network (RAINN) calculation based on US Department of Justice 2010 Statistics)

Fact #38: Boys who witness their fathers' violence are 10 times more likely to engage in spouse abuse in later adulthood than boys from non-violent homes. (Family Violence Interventions for the Justice System, 1993)

FACTS ABOUT VIOLENCE
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I have no problem with individual Countries opting to ban the Burka as depicted in the op, it's the right of the people to request such a thing.

I don't think any Country would ever support a ban on either of the following forms of head coverings...

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This is how 99% of the Muslim Women in the West cover their hair.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
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Someone needs to liberate these dark-aged countries. I hope the women in Afghanistan appreciate that they no longer have to dress like that. Could you imagine being a woman in a country where there are laws forcing you to dress like Darth Vader or get raped? It's a good thing America brought some sanity to Afghanistan.

I think it's also good that France banned the burqa. It's sick to treat women like that. There are women in my city that dress like that. It's also creepy when you can't identify or recognize the face of the person you are talking to. Don't you think?

People are free for how they want to live and for how they want to dress, forcing them not to do so
is barbaric behavior by itself.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
I have no problem with individual Countries opting to ban the Burka as depicted in the op, it's the right of the people to request such a thing.

I don't think any Country would ever support a ban on either of the following forms of head coverings...

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This is how 99% of the Muslim Women in the West cover their hair.

Still not modern, we should see some parts of the chest and the legs, women should look sexy so men can enjoy looking at them, girls wearing hijab are living in the stone age.

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but their experts have identified Trillions of $$$ worth of precious minerals and metals, crucial for the electronics and electric car markets.

Option 1: Buy said minerals at market price or go into partnership with the Afghan government to extract said minerals.
Option 2: 'False flag' 9/11 as a pretext to spend trillions on a war then buy said minerals at market price or go into partnership with the Afghan government to extract said minerals.

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At least it is marginally less hackneyed than the 'pipeline' trope I suppose.
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
No, it shouldn't.

Religious people have religious uniforms. No big deal.
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
Someone needs to liberate these dark-aged countries. I hope the women in Afghanistan appreciate that they no longer have to dress like that. Could you imagine being a woman in a country where there are laws forcing you to dress like Darth Vader or get raped? It's a good thing America brought some sanity to Afghanistan.

I think it's also good that France banned the burqa. It's sick to treat women like that. There are women in my city that dress like that. It's also creepy when you can't identify or recognize the face of the person you are talking to. Don't you think?

Absolutely. Because one group of people forcing their ideals on another group has always worked out so well in the past.
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Option 1: Buy said minerals at market price or go into partnership with the Afghan government to extract said minerals.
Option 2: 'False flag' 9/11 as a pretext to spend trillions on a war then buy said minerals at market price or go into partnership with the Afghan government to extract said minerals.

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At least it is marginally less hackneyed than the 'pipeline' trope I suppose.
Option 1 was rejected when the government of Afghanistan said no in the 80's
Option 2 did not turn out how they thought it would. You will recall they imagined they would be greeted as heroes and a strong and stable Country with business opportunities for the West would rise from the ashes.

The pipeline is still something they would like to see.
 
Option 1 was rejected when the government of Afghanistan said no in the 80's

It was occupied by the Soviets in the 80s.

Option 2 did not turn out how they thought it would. You will recall they imagined they would be greeted as heroes and a strong and stable Country with business opportunities for the West would rise from the ashes.

Even if it had worked out swimmingly it would still be spending a dollar to make a cent.

War and occupation cost a huge amount of money, and while mining can be profitable, it is not that profitable.

(not to mention the improbability of a grand conspiracy to 'false flag' 9/11 as a pretext)

The pipeline is still something they would like to see.

Just like the ones in Syria and the former Yugoslavia :D
 
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