spirit of antichrist is in the world today

Rick B said:

Yeah @djhwoodwerks, forget all of those "mistakes" they made in the past. They're only human. What they say today is 100% fact. Well until tomorrow when they correct their 100% fact mistakes.

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The world is about to find out this reality found in Ezekial about 20x-- about back then and in the last days-- They will have to know, I am YHVH(Jehovah)
The corrections have been made 98%-- Truth is now abundant.
The ones residing in darkness from the religion that came out of Rome( and 33,999 branches) until these last days, reject the revealed truths and corrections it took by any who got them. Because it exposes them as false religion as the teachings of Jesus does as well.

Oeste said:

I see...so it was Jehovah that put the flies in the soup and it was the Watchtower that later weeded them out?



So we should have eaten the flies in the soup, and you would demand our children eat it as well because "real JW stands until the end" and don't get sick when offered rancid cheese?



So why didn't the chef's correct before serving it? Isn't that what good chefs do? Was the light out in the kitchen when the food was prepared?

I'm afraid you haven't answered my questions and if this weak defense is an example of Watchtower theology then it brings nothing but reproach upon the Organization.

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At the proper time= when God willed a truth revealed--these truths as well-Daniel 12:4--Gods own angels didn't know those truths-1Peter 1:12)--Truth is abundant now--rejected by those still living in darkness. Not a single teacher on earth knew those truths thus erred on there teachings of them--correction had to made to real truth, revealed through Jesus appointed teachers at the proper time(Matt 24:45)

Rick B said:

I don’t shrug them off. I point out the fact that your replies do not directly respond to those arguments that obviously refute your absurd assertions. You always divert, run, build strawmen, and commit a plethora of logical fallacies. Your claiming umbrage is repulsive, pitiful, prevarication.

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No matter what any mortal tells you--the bottom line reality of what a true followers heart tells its mind to do daily-24/7-365= John 4:22-24= YHVH(Jehovah)
No mortal can deny that fact. Jesus' real teachers encourage it often.

djhwoodwerks said:

What if those "imperfect men" actually LISTEN to the Holy Spirit and write exactly what He tells them, can they make errors then?

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They did just that. When a truth was revealed, they made correction. They will prove to be right.
I believe that in the bible it says--earthquakes in one place after another--is symbolic for disasters in one place after another--like the world has seen the last 3 weeks--4major hurricanes-2 big earthquakes--flooding in other areas--bad droughts in others. Man has ruined the earth--Gods kingdom is coming.

savagewind said:

Today is what counts. I agree! Jesus isn't pictured at Revelation 6:2. They say it is Jesus. It was the proper time a long, long time ago for them to correct that serious mistake. It is as though they are calling the false crists "Jesus". It is the same, but opposite of what the Pharisees did when they called the real christ a false one.

I know you don't understand or you are faking it.

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Actually that is the first ride of the white horse. In Revelation, white = righteous--righteous war-- It is the war in heaven, the first ride at Rev 6--But note-- He receives his crown--Only Jesus is getting the crown.
This is the bruising of satans head--He lost and was kicked out of heaven forever to the earth. In Genesis its clear--it is Jesus foretold to bruise satan in the head. Satan bruised Jesus in the heel at his torture and death he didn't deserve. Michael is Jesus. God did not come to the earth.

savagewind said:

OK. But, anyone reading the Bible can know that he or she should be prepared.

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Many are being told--you are saved or born again--they go through life believing that--it is not truth. 99% on earth either does false god worship, pagan practices off the table of demons or 1Cor 6:9-11-- Galations 5:19-21-- both spots clearly teach-- will NOT enter Gods kingdom.
If you asked a professed follower of Jesus what he teaches at Matthew 6:33= ultra important teaching--they couldn't tell you--how can they obey if they don't have a clue what Jesus taught? God commanded all to--This is my son, the beloved in whom I am well pleased--LISTEN TO HIM--How can one listen and obey if they do not know what he teaches?

savagewind said:

I don't think that is what they are saying. The JWs say that there have always been servants of God for the will of God to do. They believe that presently it is their governing body. I think that @kjw47 has indicated such on this thread.

What they say is that in the FUTURE God will appoint the slave over all of God's belongings.

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Jesus appoints them, but it is his Fathers will. That future is coming quickly--I see clearly rev 16 started-- the world will not like the conclusion. But its the ushering in of Gods kingdom rule--The bible teaches its good news.

djhwoodwerks said:

*** km 5/74 p. 3 How Are You Using Your Life? ***
Yes, since the summer of 1973 there have been new peaks in pioneers every month. Now there are 20,394 regular and special pioneers in the United States, an all-time peak. That is 5,190 more than there were in February 1973! A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end.—1 John 2:17.

They weren't speaking of some time way in the future kjw47, they were referring to 1975 and you know it. They had people believing that the world was ending in 1975. People were selling their homes and property, and your teachers praised them for it!

You should really research it and see how many people left the org because of the false prediction. You'll go back thousands of years to research the false teachings of Christendom, but won't go back 50 years to research your own org.

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I know everything that happened from 1879 up. You reason falsely constantly. One of these hearts-(Jeremiah 17:9--The heart is treacherous and desperate, who can know it.) Most tell all--follow your heart--what bad advice.
Yes the fake JW,s left--God knows exactly what he is doing. Weeding out the goats. Any who really know God and his son, knows the adversary is very powerful--no mortal can beat him without Gods support and strength. He does whatever he can to mislead-- He goes after the real followers relentlessly--he already has the rest. Satan got to Gods chosen over and over in the OT.The Israelite religion apostocised many x. The Kings fell, others followed. not all but most. 1 week after what the Israelites witnessed God do for their slavery release--1 week later making a false calf God out of Gold--how intelligent is that?

kjw47 said:

No one knew the hidden truths, until here in these last days( Daniel 12:4) not even Gods own angels-1Peter 1:12
And AT THE PROPER TIME= when God willed a truth known, it was--only through the teachers who have Jesus. The teachings were in the bible already but understood by none until these last days--Why? Because God, through the Holy spirit taught nothing on those matters to anyone prior to it being when God willed--Can you understand that reality?
Your reasoning is faulty.

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I understand completely, it is you who is being deceived kjw47.

Pay attention please!

Do you know that according to your "real teachers" Christ comes THREE times? Did you know that kjw47?

Jesus came to earth the first time and walked among men, correct? His first coming.

Luke 2:7 (ESV Strong's) 7 And she gave birth to her firstborn son and wrapped him in swaddling cloths and laid him in a manger,

His "second" coming happened in 1914, He came back invisible, correct?

*** w54 6/15 p. 372 par. 11 The Revelation of Jesus Christ ***
As applied to the second coming of Christ it is used to indicate either the years of the beginning of his visit or to refer to the entire time he is with mankind. This time began in 1914 and means that Christ is now present though invisible.

And before you say He didn't come to the earth the second time, what does your "real teachers" say? "To refer to the entire time He is with mankind" which began in 1914.

*** w79 6/15 p. 23 par. 4 “The Dead in Christ Shall Rise First” ***
This official presence begins with his second coming. According to the “sign” that Jesus foretold and also according to certain Bible time measurements, his invisible “presence,” or parousia, began in autumn of 1914 C.E.

The "official presence" begins with His SECOND coming, which began in 1914.

His "third' coming is still in the future, and yet to be fulfilled.

*** w13 7/15 p. 8 par. 18 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
So it is reasonable to conclude that Jesus’ arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings, mentioned at Matthew 24:46, 47, also applies to his future coming, during the great tribulation.

So there you have it, your "real teachers", under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, are teaching that Jesus comes THREE times.

100% FACT, your "real teachers" believe Jesus comes THREE times!!

kjw47 said:

I know everything that happened from 1879 up.

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kjw47 said:

Yes the fake JW,s left--God knows exactly what he is doing.

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Ah, so Rutherford, your founder and responsible for a lot of false teachings was a "fake jw"?

jesus never said he was the son, of God. Paul said that. Paul never met jesus. Paul can't even quote a single parable from the bible or from when jesus was alive. He can't even quote anything from jesus. He wasn't even around for jesus.

The murders of stephen and james the brother of jesus is more than enough to arouse suspicion into paul. Paul was not even a real pharisees . You have to be married to be one. He wasn't married. He didn't have kids. We don't even know who is father is or his mother, or his nephew who warned him about the jewish plot to kill him.

The antic-christ could be paul himself for all we know. The biggest calamity for mankind is the anti-christ. Satan is nothing, people biggify satan like he has some sort of power. Hes nothing but whispers. Satans strength is from not believing god. Hes not even an angel. God doesn't create angels to over rule him, angels are creatures of command.

kjw47 said:

I know everything that happened from 1879 up. You reason falsely constantly. One of these hearts-(Jeremiah 17:9--The heart is treacherous and desperate, who can know it.) Most tell all--follow your heart--what bad advice.
Yes the fake JW,s left--God knows exactly what he is doing. Weeding out the goats. Any who really know God and his son, knows the adversary is very powerful--no mortal can beat him without Gods support and strength. He does whatever he can to mislead-- He goes after the real followers relentlessly--he already has the rest. Satan got to Gods chosen over and over in the OT.The Israelite religion apostocised many x. The Kings fell, others followed. not all but most. 1 week after what the Israelites witnessed God do for their slavery release--1 week later making a false calf God out of Gold--how intelligent is that?

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Don't waste your time on those who are obsessed with proving that JW's are wrong. I think its because of a need to believe that they are going to heaven and we wouldn't actually let them entertain such a belief at this point in time. ....someone wants to be a King/Priest.......but I don't think self-appointments are allowed.

All you will get are twisted half truths, which as we know, are worse than lies. God will deal with apostates in his own way and time. You are doing a great job.

MohammadPali said:

jesus never said he was the son, of God. Paul said that. Paul never met jesus. Paul can't even quote a single parable from the bible or from when jesus was alive. He can't even quote anything from jesus. He wasn't even around for jesus.

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John 10:31-37....
"Once again the Jews picked up stones to stone him. 32 Jesus replied to them: “I displayed to you many fine works from the Father. For which of those works are you stoning me?” 33 The Jews answered him: “We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy; for you, although being a man, make yourself a god.” 34 Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’? 35 If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came—and yet the scripture cannot be nullified— 36 do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 If I am not doing the works of my Father, do not believe me."

Jesus said this...not Paul.

Deeje said:

but I don't think self-appointments are allowed.

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Except for your "self-appointed" slave, right?

Deeje said:

God will deal with apostates in his own way and time.

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I myself have never been a witness, therefore, I am not an apostate!

Deeje said:

All you will get are twisted half truths, which as we know, are worse than lies.

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Ah, I get it now! Half truths are worse than an out right lie, that's how you defend your teachers, "at least they aren't teaching half truths", right?

Deeje said:

Don't waste your time on those who are obsessed with proving that JW's are wrong. I think its because of a need to believe that they are going to heaven and we wouldn't actually let them entertain such a belief at this point in time.

....someone wants to be a King/Priest.......but I don't think self-appointments are allowed.

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Wow! Tell us then, how in the world do the governing body members know for sure that they are appointed?

All you will get are twisted half truths, which as we know, are worse than lies. God will deal with apostates in his own way and time. You are doing a great job.

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Lies? I think you mean lies on purpose. Don't you?

Deeje said:

John 10:31-37....
"Once again the Jews picked up stones to stone him. 32 Jesus replied to them: “I displayed to you many fine works from the Father. For which of those works are you stoning me?” 33 The Jews answered him: “We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy; for you, although being a man, make yourself a god.” 34 Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’? 35 If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came—and yet the scripture cannot be nullified— 36 do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 If I am not doing the works of my Father, do not believe me."

Jesus said this...not Paul.

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You are not understanding the exegesis of that statement. Jesus didn't say that. This was interpolated. The translation is farfetched from the original aramaic. To say he is the son of god, this is blasphemy. Jesus was not a pagan, and god is not horus or jupiter. And hes not hellenistic either. Jesus was a messenger and messiah.

How do you know the Jehovah's Witness' governing body is appointed by God?
Even they say that can fail as individuals.
Why would Jehovah appoint anyone who would fail?
Why would you obey anyone who admits he might be a failure?

The problem with jehova witness, is that they specifically can tell you the number of people that are going to heaven. Some 144,000 people am I right ? And everyone else is absolutely in limbo ? or purgatory ? Does this make sense ? 144,000 people go to heaven and the rest of us have to be tormented here on earth ? I want to go where adam and even is, so does everyone else. There is no such thing as a chosen people. God proved that and so did jesus when he said not a single stone will be left unturned when they torn down the temple.

Open your eyes and look at what make sense. 144,000 people ? Come on, god is merciful, the best of judges, He loves all.

The men of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses believe that they have been appointed by God to care for the spiritual needs of all the people who really believe in Jesus.

A Jehovah's Witness is saying that some people who communicate anything different than what the governing body communicate believes they are appointed. Appointed to do what? Speak?