-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
Should porn be illegal?
- Thread starter SabahTheLoner
- Start date
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
That's what Jesus said.
Well I assume that porn requires consent to even be legal in the first place. Child porn is already illegal and (at least where I live) sex workers even have their own Union. S&M also has to require consent, actually as is my understanding that group is very hyper aware of consent, it's a big thing for them.
MrMrdevincamus
Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
Every biblical scholar except Bush reads that to mean if you are a married man and was plotting to bed a woman other than your wife you are on dangerous ground. I understand that. Its a way to avoid grief. But, I will agree that its a minor sin and will stand corrected! 'What Jesus is teaching is that sin starts with lust. It is not limited to the actual deed'. That is the point. In any case that is more of a marriage taboo than one against adultery in general, still you have a good point, thanks for helping me to look at this in another way.
; { >
Last edited:
MrMrdevincamus
Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
What I meant was porn that was illustrating rape or violence etc. against a non consenting adult. Porn gets around that in some weird ways but I can not condone the illustrating of such things personally. Everyone derives morals from within, that define grey areas even those such as Christians that have strict guidelines or absolutes to guide them.
: {>
Skwim
Veteran Member
Well rape fantasies are a known and natural phenomenon. And porn is all acting anyway. So even such porn is done with consent of all present anyway. So unless you're going to also advocate against that in storytelling be it book, movie, TV or any other medium.... People have kinks. Porn has to cater to those as well. Just saying.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I already provided that.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
I don't think it should be illegal because there is nothing intrinsically wrong with watching porn. And, while some people have problems with it, we cannot sanitize society in that way. Should alcohol be illegal because some people have an addiction? What about sugar? Or TV?
Pretty much everything causes problems for some people. We can't start taking away people's freedom simply because certain people can't handle said freedom.
Well, I suppose if one was to adhere directly to the "letter of the law," then it seems to relate only to lusting after married women, while providing a loophole which ostensibly allows for lusting after unmarried women. By the same token, the man who is doing the "lusting" must also be unmarried, or else he would be committing adultery in his heart.
I don't know which part of the Bible covers fornication, which would include an unmarried man and unmarried woman having sex out of wedlock. Of course, the Church has provisions for that sort of thing, as they can be forgiven as long as they serve their penance and get married right away. Then they'll be encouraged to have lots of babies and ensure the continued growth in church membership.
But if you covet "thy neighbor's wife" or "thy neighbor's oxen," well then, you're just asking for trouble - not just from God or the Church, but a very angry and jealous oxen owner.
Skwim
Veteran Member
No, you said in post 58, quoting Jesus, "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery."
So in say that lusting constitutes having sex because of what Jesus said above, one is forced to conclude the following:
Because adultery can only occur when at least one of the participants is married, your claim that lusting constitutes sex would mean that Jesus is say that lusting between two unmarried people automatically turns at least one of them into a married person.
Pretty goofy if you ask me.
.
Last edited:
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
As I also said, the Bible is very clear that sex outside of marriage and for those not married is a sin. It doesn't matter if one those involved is married or not. Biblically, sex without being married and having it with someone you are not married to is sin.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Only if they become aware of it. Keep your mouth shut and you can covet all you want. And why should god care if a person wants something someone else has? He made us this way. In fact, it's just such a yearning that has spurned some people to greater accomplishments. So coveting can't be all that bad.
.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Not debating that at all. Let's stay on track here. The issue at hand is not having sex, but lusting.
.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Which Jesus said is committing adultery.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Yup, and if two people are unmarried, Jesus' little warning here doesn't apply. So lust away you lucky singletons.
.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Last edited:
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Except there is plenty of evidence that the Bible does not look at it that way, such as how a woman can be killed on her wedding night if it's discovered she's not a virgin. The Bible is quite non-negotiable that you do not have sex outside of marriage. If you aren't married, you don't have it. It's sin if you do. End of discussion. period.
And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. (Mark 7:20-23)
Skwim
Veteran Member
Assuming that bleeding, indicating a previously unbroken hymen, was the tell tale sign of virginity, which is extremely untrustworthy,* how could god be so ignorant of this unreliability? Ignorant enough to go ahead and pen:
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
But if the thing is true, that evidence of virginity was not found in the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done an outrageous thing in Israel by whoring in her father's house. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
But if the thing is true, that evidence of virginity was not found in the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done an outrageous thing in Israel by whoring in her father's house. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
Of course, if bleeding was not the evidence of virginity used back then, what was?
* "Fewer than half of all women bleed during the first time they have sex."
source
.
Last edited: