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Question for unbelievers

Vee

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I’ve been a believer in the existence of God most of my life, way before I had any interest in religion. My choice of religion is a consequence of my faith, not the cause. I believe in God because it makes sense to me. That also gives me a sense of belonging and the fact that I have a hope in something bigger than myself provides me with an extraordinary emotional shelter.

Living in a world as horrible as this one, it helps me so much to believe that this is temporary, that a beautiful future will arrive and all the ugliness will disappear. Sometimes that hope is all that keeps me going from one day to the other without getting extremely depressed.

How do non-believers cope with the reality of the world? If you believe that this life is all there is and nothing else can be expected, how do you keep emotionally balanced? What is your source of strength and happiness?
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
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Life has its ups and downs, no doubt. For me, and I think for most folks, the ups outweigh the downs. I don't believe in any god, but I know I'd like for those who come after me to experience the wonderful ride I'm getting to experience.

There are some famous religious critics who think that many of the world's most popular religions are extremely narcissistic. E.g. "what will god do for me?". This orientation seems both common, and counter to the real message of - say - Jesus. Instead of relying on an invisible, unprovable supernatural being, how about making the world a better place for your fellows?
 

sayak83

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I’ve been a believer in the existence of God most of my life, way before I had any interest in religion. My choice of religion is a consequence of my faith, not the cause. I believe in God because it makes sense to me. That also gives me a sense of belonging and the fact that I have a hope in something bigger than myself provides me with an extraordinary emotional shelter.

Living in a world as horrible as this one, it helps me so much to believe that this is temporary, that a beautiful future will arrive and all the ugliness will disappear. Sometimes that hope is all that keeps me going from one day to the other without getting extremely depressed.

How do non-believers cope with the reality of the world? If you believe that this life is all there is and nothing else can be expected, how do you keep emotionally balanced? What is your source of strength and happiness?
My wild guess?
Starcraft, Warcraft, game of thrones and anime expo. Also weed, lots of weed. :p
 

PureX

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I’ve been a believer in the existence of God most of my life, way before I had any interest in religion. My choice of religion is a consequence of my faith, not the cause. I believe in God because it makes sense to me. That also gives me a sense of belonging and the fact that I have a hope in something bigger than myself provides me with an extraordinary emotional shelter.

Living in a world as horrible as this one, it helps me so much to believe that this is temporary, that a beautiful future will arrive and all the ugliness will disappear. Sometimes that hope is all that keeps me going from one day to the other without getting extremely depressed.

How do non-believers cope with the reality of the world? If you believe that this life is all there is and nothing else can be expected, how do you keep emotionally balanced? What is your source of strength and happiness?
I am an agnostic theist, although that matters little in response to your post.

This world is exactly as ugly or as beautiful as we choose to see it, regardless of our ideas of "God".

Many years ago, when I was in my first year or so of recovery from alcoholism, I was feeling miserable. And I don't mean just blue, or depressed, but abjectly miserable. And the reason for it was that alcoholism twists a person's mind through years of practiced negative thinking. To put it in a nutshell, I wanted to be drunk all the time, because I am an alcoholic. But to recognize this constant desire within myself would have forced me to see that something was very wrong with me. So instead, subconsciously, I would look for reasons to get drunk, all day long, every day. If I got a flat tire, I'd stomp off the the bar. If I got a bill in the mail, I'd stomp of to the bar. If someone said something cross to me, I'd stomp off to the bar. Anything, and nearly everything, became the exemplification of how horrible life was, so I'd have an excuse to stomp off to the bar and get drunk. And over many years of doing this, I really BELIEVED that life totally sucked, that people were all selfish jerks, that "God" was a malicious prick, and so on.

And even after I'd finally sobered up, my mind had been so thoroughly twisted by this time that this horribly negative view of reality was still 'the truth as I saw it'.

Then one evening I was walking on the street with a sober friend of mine, and a light bulb finally went off in my head. My friend was one of those people who is always seeing the positive side of everything. The opposite of me. And we happened to be walking on a Friday evening, in fantastic weather, down a very popular street in Chicago. And lots of people were out and about, sitting in outdoor cafes and pubs, dressed up and on dates, or shopping, and all enjoying themselves. But not me. As usual I was staring at my feet, mumbling under my breath about all these phony yuppies showing off for each other and wallowing in their racist privilege and oblivious to all the suffering in the world, and so on and so on, and feeling miserable because I couldn't just go get drunk, anymore.

Suddenly my friend stops and points across the street, and says excitedly, "hey, did you see that?" Of course I saw nothing because I was looking at the ground as I was walking. So I ask, "see what?" And he says, "over there, that bag lady and that wino sitting on the stoop!" I still didn't see them but I asked, "what about 'em?" And my friend says, still all excited, that the bag lady had given the wino her money. And it was green paper money, not just change. And wasn't that amazing that this homeless woman would give that homeless man, money! And then he went went on about how amazing people are, if you only pay attention to them.

And finally I began to understand why my friend Tom was always so happy and upbeat, while I was still so desperately bored, and unhappy, and miserable all the time. It was because Tom LOOKED for those events in life that exemplified the good in the world, while I did just the opposite. I looked for every possible opportunity to reinforce my dark and pessimistic view of existence. And so I saw just what I was looking for, while my friend Tom saw just exactly what he was looking for. The big difference was that what he saw made him happy, and hopeful, while what I saw made me miserable and hopeless.

And from that moment of illumination, on, I understood that I am in control of how I perceive the world that I live in. And thereby, I am in control of how I feel about it. It took me another year or so of practice, but I did eventually begin to change my default mode of perception from the negative to the positive. It's not that I don't see bad things in the world, anymore. But now they are easily offset by the many wonderful things that are all around me to focus on, and experience, so that the bad things won't own my mind and heart.

Being unhappy is not a question of belief in God. It's a matter of focus, and of practice. I find that belief in God helps with this, for me, because it gives me a place to express my gratitude for the wonderful and mysterious gift of being here. But I'm sure I could do so without a god, if I needed to.
 
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lewisnotmiller

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I’ve been a believer in the existence of God most of my life, way before I had any interest in religion. My choice of religion is a consequence of my faith, not the cause. I believe in God because it makes sense to me. That also gives me a sense of belonging and the fact that I have a hope in something bigger than myself provides me with an extraordinary emotional shelter.

Fair enough

Living in a world as horrible as this one, it helps me so much to believe that this is temporary, that a beautiful future will arrive and all the ugliness will disappear. Sometimes that hope is all that keeps me going from one day to the other without getting extremely depressed.

It's a little hard to explain, I guess, but the very fact that you see this world as temporary, that there is a place with no ugliness, and that there is a beautiful future is part of the problem. It's harder to live in the moment when that moment pales compared to a perfect future.

How do non-believers cope with the reality of the world? If you believe that this life is all there is and nothing else can be expected, how do you keep emotionally balanced? What is your source of strength and happiness?

I'm not sure how thinking the next life exists would HELP me be more balanced in this one. Even the idea that I'd be able to write things off as temporary seems a little alien, really, since I think all things are temporary. Only difference is I include myself in that.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
I’ve been a believer in the existence of God most of my life, way before I had any interest in religion. My choice of religion is a consequence of my faith, not the cause. I believe in God because it makes sense to me. That also gives me a sense of belonging and the fact that I have a hope in something bigger than myself provides me with an extraordinary emotional shelter.

Living in a world as horrible as this one, it helps me so much to believe that this is temporary, that a beautiful future will arrive and all the ugliness will disappear. Sometimes that hope is all that keeps me going from one day to the other without getting extremely depressed.

How do non-believers cope with the reality of the world? If you believe that this life is all there is and nothing else can be expected, how do you keep emotionally balanced? What is your source of strength and happiness?

What strength and happiness?

LOL, I am joking. Of, course I feel strong and happy, even though I am perfectly aware that myself and my dear ones will disappear forever, together with the rest of the Universe, and with all traces that we existed at all, and that all this has no ultimate purpose whatsoever, never had, and never will.

Where do I find that strength and happiness? mmh, good question. Maybe I am a sort of Nietzschian Uebermensch that managed to find purpose under the awareness of nihilism and absurdism.

Or maybe I just consider myself very lucky, if that even makes sense, for the ones who die are also the ones who had the privilege to live. It is a sort of free lunch and like with all free things, I am not too peaky and demanding. For sure, I cannot possibly be so demanding as expecting to be a guest for all eternity. That would be rude and a bit arrogant.

Or, like M. Twain would say: I have been dead for billions of years and I never suffered any inconvenience because of that.

And by the way: I do not consider this world as so horrible. It used to be much worse. However, I live in Switzerland and I might be a bit biased.

Ciao

- viole
 
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Polymath257

Think & Care
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I’ve been a believer in the existence of God most of my life, way before I had any interest in religion. My choice of religion is a consequence of my faith, not the cause. I believe in God because it makes sense to me. That also gives me a sense of belonging and the fact that I have a hope in something bigger than myself provides me with an extraordinary emotional shelter.

Living in a world as horrible as this one, it helps me so much to believe that this is temporary, that a beautiful future will arrive and all the ugliness will disappear. Sometimes that hope is all that keeps me going from one day to the other without getting extremely depressed.

How do non-believers cope with the reality of the world? If you believe that this life is all there is and nothing else can be expected, how do you keep emotionally balanced? What is your source of strength and happiness?


Well, first of all I don't consider this world to be all that horrible. If anything, we are getting better over time: less poverty, less disease, less slavery, more ability to make life easier, etc.

But, more so, the meaning comes from helping to *make* the world a better place. The ugliness will *never* completely disappear: the universe doesn't care whether we live or die. But *we* do. And to help the next generation be better off than this one is a wonderful thing!

Yes, life can be a struggle. That's why we have to actually work for a better future instead of being complacent and hoping it will arise magically.
 

Laika

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Premium Member
How do non-believers cope with the reality of the world?

Making the most of what you have. Finding ways to be happy and fulfilled and share that with others. Make my mark by leaving this earth better than I found it. Be loving to those around you and learn to see beyond people's disguises.

If you believe that this life is all there is and nothing else can be expected, how do you keep emotionally balanced?

I have depression, so I wouldn't fit into the group of "emotionally balanced" people. Often the most important thing to do is to try and put things into perspective and let go. If you have a problem the best thing to do is to find a practical and constructive solution for it. You have to strive to strike a balance between your own ego and thinking about things as the cosmic and historical level. we really are pretty small and so are our problems. our problems matter to us but we should not believe that the universe is conspiring against us (or for our benefit for that matter).

This works for most of the little things that can get you down, but I haven't found a solution for the big stuff; climate change, nuclear war, world poverty and hunger, etc. I concede that the sense of a lack of "cosmic justice" is something that troubles me greatly as it can make you very insecure and uncertain about how the bigger events will turn out (often subject to the whims of complete strangers in positions of power who I/you may not trust). I don't have obvious answers for humanity's capacity for cruelty towards one another and that does make me deeply depressed. I want more for myself and my species.

For the most part, this ability to step back makes life more friction-less as you can get along with people and makes life easier.

What is your source of strength and happiness?

Love, forgiveness, a sense of humour, a fairly large dose of imagination and sexual fantasies. I think I should include a certain manic ambition too as that is part of wanting to find ways that I can matter and make a difference for being here. This can be a bit of a double edged sword given the amount of ego and pride involved. I do "love" humanity but my faith in human goodness is pretty shaky.
 
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9-10ths_Penguin

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I’ve been a believer in the existence of God most of my life, way before I had any interest in religion. My choice of religion is a consequence of my faith, not the cause. I believe in God because it makes sense to me. That also gives me a sense of belonging and the fact that I have a hope in something bigger than myself provides me with an extraordinary emotional shelter.

Living in a world as horrible as this one, it helps me so much to believe that this is temporary, that a beautiful future will arrive and all the ugliness will disappear. Sometimes that hope is all that keeps me going from one day to the other without getting extremely depressed.

How do non-believers cope with the reality of the world? If you believe that this life is all there is and nothing else can be expected, how do you keep emotionally balanced? What is your source of strength and happiness?
First off, I should say that I don't see the world as that horrible. I think people are generally good on the whole and things are getting progressively better, on the whole. I think that many forms of religion try to convince people that things are worse than they really are in order to further their own aims: they sell people on the poison in order to sell them on the cure.

I should also say that in general, I see atheism as more hopeful than theism. If the world is an expression of the will of an all-powerful god, what hope do we have to make things better? OTOH, if there are no gods, we have the opportunity to make things better. Better at a pace that's limited by human capability, but still better.

Beyond that, it's just a matter of dealing with reality as I see it. I mean, to me, despairing over there being no afterlife doesn't make any more sense to me than despairing over the fact that I don't have a billion dollars or the ability to teleport using psychic powers.

I guess overall, I don't see your problem as that much of a problem, because I haven't bought into the religious ideas that make it bigger than how I think it actually is.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

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Living in a world as horrible as this one, it helps me so much to believe that this is temporary, that a beautiful future will arrive and all the ugliness will disappear.

My world, by which I mean my immediate world - the places I visit and the people I interact with - is pretty good. I realize that there is much more to the world, and that many others cannot say the same.

It seems to me that those either listening to the priests or the conservative political commentators are being continually indoctrinated with negativity. The church teaches the idea that man is spiritually defective, and that his societies are both something to view with disdain and to remain psychologically detached from.

From the conservative media - probably mostly an American phenomenon - people are being kept in a continual state of agitation characterized by fear, anger, and resentment, and that that one is surrounded by decay and danger - in other words, the sky is falling.

If one buys into either or both of those, they will steal your joy and contentment from you, as well as your pride in being human.

How do non-believers cope with the reality of the world? If you believe that this life is all there is and nothing else can be expected, how do you keep emotionally balanced? What is your source of strength and happiness?

No problems there. No strength is needed, at least not any more. Once upon a time, I had to grapple with issues like my mortality and the uncertainties of life. But that job was completed decades ago. I credit a good and effective worldview, and luck.

Happiness comes from having reasonable expectations and having them met through living life upright and conscientiously. Study hard, learn to think critically, work hard, act with courage and integrity, develop empathy and pursue justice, save enough of your earnings to be free from want later in life, find ways of making a positive difference, avoid excessive debt, take care of yourself, learn to accept what cannot be helped, and avoid the soul crushing and mind numbing pitfalls of excessive intrigue, human machinations, selfishness, and insatiable desire.

Religion wasn't necessary. God beliefs add nothing useful to that, but can detract from it.
 

SabahTheLoner

Master of the Art of Couch Potato Cuddles
How do non-believers cope with the reality of the world?

I accept that it happened and then set out in the hopes to be a part of progress.

If you believe that this life is all there is and nothing else can be expected, how do you keep emotionally balanced?

I was suicidal. Then I came across the idea of life being sacred and the idea of killing oneself for being unwanted a cowardly thing to do. After that I didn't express suicidal tendencies. And my emotional state of being as a whole became better. I don't understand why to bother about the afterlife. We're alive and should focus on life.

What is your source of strength and happiness?

Being alive. That's enough for me. I lived through things that made me miserable and I don't want that kind of misery to persist across all people. I also want people to life a relatively safe life. When I see progress, no matter how small, I'm happy.
 

9Westy9

Sceptic, Libertarian, Egalitarian
Premium Member
How do non-believers cope with the reality of the world?

In what sense? "reality of the world" is quite a vague term.

If you believe that this life is all there is and nothing else can be expected, how do you keep emotionally balanced?

I don't really see this as a big deal. I just take life as it comes and try to make the most of it. No need to worry about what happens after death if I cease to exist.

What is your source of strength and happiness?

Doing things that make me happy is my source of happiness.
 

columbus

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Living in a world as horrible as this one, it helps me so much to believe that this is temporary, that a beautiful future will arrive and all the ugliness will disappear.
I don't mean to get personal, but you posted this.
I see the teachings of Abrahamic religions as a big part of the problem. "This life is temporary, there is an omnimax ineffable Being who cares and will provide cosmic justice." means that we humans don't have to care or provide justice. By and large, they don't.

I see just the opposite. We need to be cared about and justice. But since the universe, and it's Creator, obviously won't do it for us. We have to do it for ourselves and each other or it just won't happen.

I don't see any rational reason for doing anything for anybody in a world where Jesus could do it better and faster and easier. But since I believe in God, but realize that God doesn't care about us, I want to do it myself. Because I want to live in a world where caring happens.

That is my totally selfish rationale supporting Peace and Justice. Since God won't do it, I have to do it myself.
Tom
 

Unveiled Artist

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I’ve been a believer in the existence of God most of my life, way before I had any interest in religion. My choice of religion is a consequence of my faith, not the cause. I believe in God because it makes sense to me. That also gives me a sense of belonging and the fact that I have a hope in something bigger than myself provides me with an extraordinary emotional shelter.

Living in a world as horrible as this one, it helps me so much to believe that this is temporary, that a beautiful future will arrive and all the ugliness will disappear. Sometimes that hope is all that keeps me going from one day to the other without getting extremely depressed.

How do non-believers cope with the reality of the world? If you believe that this life is all there is and nothing else can be expected, how do you keep emotionally balanced? What is your source of strength and happiness?

I've never believed in god and nothing higher than myself (I don't understand that concept). I've been sick with neurological issues most my life and mental health a good portion of it. A lot of my truth or reality has much to do with helping myself think clearly and manage my thoughts because our brain controls everything even our "spiritual" feelings not just psychological and physiological.

I mean, I see all the "evil" in the world but I am a part of the world too. So, I can choose to see it (and myself) as evil or not. For my mental well-being, I choose not to.

Meditation, worship, service to others, prayer, and keeping myself busy. Seeing things positive and acknowledging the negativity and how it affects me and my health. Interaction with my religious community and not thinking of the future which isn't promised as now in this second we can prove is.

Takes a lot of work. I'm pacing myself.
 

shivsomashekhar

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I’ve been a believer in the existence of God most of my life, way before I had any interest in religion

In other words, you created your own concept of God - a concept not borrowed from religion.

Living in a world as horrible as this one, it helps me so much to believe that this is temporary, that a beautiful future will arrive and all the ugliness will disappear. Sometimes that hope is all that keeps me going from one day to the other without getting extremely depressed.

How do non-believers cope with the reality of the world? If you believe that this life is all there is and nothing else can be expected, how do you keep emotionally balanced? What is your source of strength and happiness?

You seem to be admitting that you have created your concept of a non-religious God based on your dislike for the current state of the world. You created a God that - for some reason - cannot fix this ugly world now, but will do it at some point in future. If you think the world is ugly, then it has been ugly for thousands of years. Why has this God not fixed it yet and when will he get to it?

Another possibility. If your God is also the creator, then he created this ugliness, in which case, he may not see it as ugliness and may never fix it?

Speaking for myself, I accept the world as is. There is beauty, there is ugliness, there is good and there is bad. This is how it was and this is how it will be. Therefore, I do not have a need in myself to change the world.
 

sun rise

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And finally I began to understand why my friend Tom was always so happy and upbeat, while I was still so desperately bored, and unhappy, and miserable all the time. It was because Tom LOOKED for those events in life that exemplified the good in the world, while I did just the opposite. I looked for every possible opportunity to reinforce my dark and pessimistic view of existence. And so I saw just what I was looking for, while my friend Tom saw just exactly what he was looking for. The big difference was that what he saw made him happy, and hopeful, while what I saw made me miserable and hopeless.

In that paragraph you summed up so much. And it's wonderful you had that realization.
 

Rational Agnostic

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How do non-believers cope with the reality of the world? If you believe that this life is all there is and nothing else can be expected, how do you keep emotionally balanced? What is your source of strength and happiness?

Intense realism gets me a lot further in life than wishful belief in fables. Belief in immortality leads to cowardice, because it leads to greater fear of risk, and fear of failure, due to the idea that our mistakes will somehow be with us forever. In contrast, nihilism is liberating and emboldening. There IS a time limit for all of us to accomplish whatever it is what we desire to accomplish in life. It is the fear of this time limit that motivates me to work toward these accomplishments every day.
 

Vee

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Well, first of all I don't consider this world to be all that horrible. If anything, we are getting better over time: less poverty, less disease, less slavery, more ability to make life easier, etc.

It is true that many battles have been won, but unfortunately we're headed to losing the war. If your life is good, I'm happy for you, but think about all the millions of people who can't say the same.
Humans are destroying this planet. 1% of the world population owns more resources than the other 99% combined. Weather changes are bringing more violent events like hurricanes and storms, just look at the news this week.
Violence, racism and intolerance are everywhere.
Even in developed countries like yours, how many people don't have enough money to make it to the end of the month? How many can't afford to pay their bills and are heavily indebted? Were heading to a market correction and even with all the manipulation and delaying of the inevitable, I can only see this ending in tragedy and more will be stolen from the poor to be given to the rich. I'm not making this up or being dramatic. If you do some research you'll find the data.
Do you really think the world is getting better?
 

Vee

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I don't see any rational reason for doing anything for anybody in a world where Jesus could do it better and faster and easier. But since I believe in God, but realize that God doesn't care about us, I want to do it myself. Because I want to live in a world where caring happens.

That is my totally selfish rationale supporting Peace and Justice. Since God won't do it, I have to do it myself.
Tom

It's wonderful that you care and do your best but what if God cares about us? What if the bible is right and he simply gave humans a period of time to manage on their own so that we would see the result of that?
 
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