Has PC Logic Gone To Far?

lewisnotmiller · Sep 6, 2017

Stevicus said:
In some states, interracial marriage was never illegal. Such laws were declared unconstitutional in 1967. Although the point I responded to was in regard to advocating interracial marriage, which obviously had to be happening prior to the repeal of those laws.

I understand. My point was that advocating for interracial marriage on TV or radio in the 40s was the same as advocating for illegal behaviour in the overwhelming majority of states.
Even in the 50's, this was the case in virtually all of the south.

I wouldn't be convinced that being sacked for such a thing was a relic of the 20s.

Stevicus · Sep 7, 2017

lewisnotmiller said:
I understand. My point was that advocating for interracial marriage on TV or radio in the 40s was the same as advocating for illegal behaviour in the overwhelming majority of states.
Even in the 50's, this was the case in virtually all of the south.

I wouldn't be convinced that being sacked for such a thing was a relic of the 20s.

I would think it would depend on how it's done. At this point, I don't know of any specific cases where someone was fired from TV or radio for advocating interracial marriage during any of those decades. The reason why I believe that it would have been more tolerated by the 40s was because that's when a lot of US servicemen were bringing back war brides from East Asian countries.

Wirey · Sep 7, 2017

esmith said:
It seems that one of the Portland OR school districts has decided that the schools named after the Lynch family that donated the land for the school have "racial connotations" and should be renamed.
Maybe they should teach the difference between a noun and a verb.
Lynch elementary schools will lose the 'Lynch' due to racial implications
Portland educators want to strip 'Lynch' from school names. But it refers to a family, not lynching

This may be one of the stupidest things I've ever hear. Are lesbians going after this place next?

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Also, the Calder Cup, awarded to American Hockey League champ must immediately be renamed. Calder translates literally to "violence" in Gaelic, and hence the trophy is a constant reminder to all the people who ever got their butt kicked by a silver miner wearing a plaid skirt. Spike Lee? Offensive to Christians who are all touchy about their big guy getting cleated up to a couple of planks with a stupid joke written over his head. Let's try "Love Lee". Jewish girls named Lilith should be made aware that Lilith is a female dragon. This is incredibly offensive to dwarves and hobbits everywhere, who have been forced to suffer repeated dragon raids. The horror! The horror!

Revoltingest · Sep 8, 2017

lewisnotmiller said:
Your thread is then 'Has loopy extremism logic gone too far?'

I'd say 'Yes'!!
Next task is to define loopy extremism.

First, it's not my thread.
Second, we must determine what the meaning of "is" is.

Revoltingest · Sep 8, 2017

9-10ths_Penguin said:
So your declaration that it was "nonsense" may have been premature?

Based upon the article, it's nonsense.
I did no further research on it.
if you have, & find it bogus, please present your results.

lewisnotmiller · Sep 8, 2017

Revoltingest said:
First, it's not my thread.

Hmmm...well picked up. But still...if pc is just another way of saying 'loopy extremism', and it doesn't actually include 'polite' or 'sensible' behaviour, then what are we talking about here? The very definition answers the proposition.

Revoltingest said:
Second, we must determine what the meaning of "is" is.

I hear ya...
I HATE semantic discussions for no good point, and most of the time, people just need to get over their own panty-wadishness...
Hopefully you've seen enough of my posts to know I'm not usually grammatically pedantic.

In this case, I honestly believe that calling things PC is begging the answer. So sure, PC logic has gone too far. But treating people with respect is good, right? So all we're really saying is that people can be assclowns even with the 'best' of intentions, but that doesn't justify not treating people with respect. Right?

So...what's the real conversation here?

Revoltingest · Sep 8, 2017

lewisnotmiller said:
So...what's the real conversation here?

Conversation?
I thought the thread was all about mocking political correctness?
As for what it is, I'll define it thusly....
The eschewing of common sense in altering language & conduct
to over-react in superficially accommodating the easily offended.

Sha'irullah · Sep 8, 2017

lewisnotmiller said:
You don't see any irony in this?

So you are saying people should not show any responsibility when conversing and that any and all statements are acceptable toward others along with the intent to commit violence? I am seriously hoping you misread my comment because you may be asking for a very scary world here.

lewisnotmiller · Sep 9, 2017

Sha'irullah said:
So you are saying people should not show any responsibility when conversing and that any and all statements are acceptable toward others along with the intent to commit violence? I am seriously hoping you misread my comment because you may be asking for a very scary world here.

I'm not making any grand statements, but am merely pointing out that you want PC language banished.
Which would of course mean that your rules around conversation would become the new PC.

Neo-PC?

Meh, anyway. Ironic.

9Westy9 · Sep 9, 2017

Interested what people think of this video and the fact that he's being taken to court over "alleged publication of offensive material online "

Man arrested after teaching girlfriend’s pug to perform Nazi salute (OFFENSIVE)

YouTuber Count Dankula could face year in jail for Nazi dog video

edit: For the record I think it's a funny video that many people will view as bad taste. Either way I think it's ridiculous that he's even going to court, let alone the fact that he could be jailed for up to a year.

9-10ths_Penguin · Sep 9, 2017

Revoltingest said:
Based upon the article, it's nonsense.

"Based on the article?" The article doesn't make its case.

It says that he was disciplined for denigrating Muslims, and that he criticized ISIS. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

I did no further research on it.
if you have, & find it bogus, please present your results.

So you have no basis for your opinion? Good to know.

Revoltingest · Sep 9, 2017

9-10ths_Penguin said:
"Based on the article?" The article doesn't make its case.
It says that he was disciplined for denigrating Muslims, and that he criticized ISIS. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
So you have no basis for your opinion?

As I read the article, he mocked ISIS, not Muslims.
It seems you disagree.
Meh......

Good to know.

Youz don't know Jack.

Mister Silver · Sep 9, 2017

I cannot imagine being PC; it's dishonesty shrouded in tact combined with a stick up one's bum.

Mister Silver · Sep 9, 2017

Revoltingest said:
Your definition beats mine for pithiness.

I try.

Stanyon · Sep 9, 2017

What I would say is insane is to deny the police accurate description(s) of your rapist(s) colour of skin, mannerisms, and language spoken putting other women at risk for the sake of not offending PC logic

Mister Emu · Sep 12, 2017

Falvlun said:
Because, in general, I don't see how someone can consider showing basic respect, avoidance of vulgarity, and inclusion to be a bad thing.

What if I want to be inclusive of people who have no desire to avoid vulgarity? What if I want my workplace to have a bawdy culture? What concern is that of people who don't so desire? Not every space should exist within the parameters of the lowest common comfort level; no one belongs(that is, finds comfort and solace in the culture and circumstances of) everywhere, and that is okay.

P.C. is not basic respect, it is the deliberate replacement of authentic human interaction with bland milquetoast inoffensiveness.

Falvlun · Sep 18, 2017

Mister Emu said:
What if I want to be inclusive of people who have no desire to avoid vulgarity? What if I want my workplace to have a bawdy culture? What concern is that of people who don't so desire? Not every space should exist within the parameters of the lowest common comfort level; no one belongs(that is, finds comfort and solace in the culture and circumstances of) everywhere, and that is okay.

P.C. is not basic respect, it is the deliberate replacement of authentic human interaction with bland milquetoast inoffensiveness.

What concern is it to other people if you want to be a rude jerk? Quite a bit, actually. It comes down to manners and the social contract that keeps society from devolving.

Manners, common ettiquette, politeness, all those things your momma (ought to have) taught you are constraints upon "authentic human interaction". Even animals have a concept of proper social etiquette.

That's what PC is. It's simply about not being an *******. If you want to go around calling people the N-word, that's your perogative, and it's mine to call you an ******* for it. Are you seriously arguing that you need a "safe space" where you can use racial slurs and misogynistic jokes without being called a jerk for it?

Now, I have a feeling you think "manners" are all the nice social constraints you agree with, and PC are all those social constraints you disagree with. But tell me, what's the difference between being polite and being PC"? Are they both not constraints upon your "authentic" human interactions?

Mister Emu · Sep 18, 2017

Falvlun said:
What concern is it to other people if you want to be a rude jerk?

You've already leapt from what I've said to something you want to attack. Recap: what concern is it of others if I want to create a vulgar and bawdy environment? If I want to start a business or have a group where we have Topless Tuesdays and tell racy jokes and sing bawdy tunes, why should people who don't want those things care? If someone else wants a space where they spin around on the sticks shoved up their backsides I don't care, I just won't be there.

Falvlun said:
That's what PC is. It's simply about not being an *******.

P.C. is about being cowed and servile to the capricious whims of those who worship at the altar of perpetual offense. See I can define it to mean whatever I want too.

Falvlun said:
If you want to go around calling people the N-word, that's your perogative, and it's mine to call you an ******* for it. Are you seriously arguing that you need a "safe space" where you can use racial slurs and misogynistic jokes without being called a jerk for it?

You're making **** up. I never said anything about being racist or misogynist, that is all your imagination.

Falvlun said:
But tell me, what's the difference between being polite and being PC"? Are they both not constraints upon your "authentic" human interactions?

As I've seen it, P.C. is the misguided effort to demand that everyone belong and feel comfortable everywhere.

Falvlun · Sep 18, 2017

Mister Emu said:
You've already leapt from what I've said to something you want to attack. Recap: what concern is it of others if I want to create a vulgar and bawdy environment? If I want to start a business or have a group where we have Topless Tuesdays and tell racy jokes and sing bawdy tunes, why should people who don't want those things care? If someone else wants a space where they spin around on the sticks shoved up their backsides I don't care, I just won't be there.

I think those are called strip clubs and last I checked, the "pc police" haven't removed your right to have them.

Mister Emu said:
P.C. is about being cowed and servile to the capricious whims of those who worship at the altar of perpetual offense. See I can define it to mean whatever I want too.

Can you explain the difference between politeness and whatever it is about political correctness you find so abhorrent?

why do you have a problem with not being rude and taking the feelings of others into account?

Mister Emu said:
You're making **** up. I never said anything about being racist or misogynist, that is all your imagination.

No, I'm talking about the main targets of political correctness, which are racial slurs and mysoygny.

If you agree that we shouldn't be calling people racial slurs or being misogynistic, then Congratulations! You're being PC. You have accepted its constraints upon your authentic human interactions.

Mister Emu said:
As I've seen it, P.C. is the misguided effort to demand that everyone belong and feel comfortable everywhere.

You are attacking a strawman, then.

Father Heathen · Sep 18, 2017

Falvlun said:
I think those are called strip clubs and last I checked, the "pc police" haven't removed your right to have them.

And it's usually the religious right rather than the PC left that attempts to shut them down.

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