Mohsen
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Then why did he not pen his own gospel?
No gospel of Jesus, anywhere. *taps fingers on table
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No gospel of Jesus, anywhere. *taps fingers on tableFaithofchristian
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Then why did he not pen his own gospel?
I can see, that you have little understanding about how the gospel came to be.
Jesus did pen his own gospel, everything that is Written was first pen in heaven.by Jesus, then given to His Holy Prophets to write down for us to read.
The gospels first were Written in heaven, then the Almighty God chosen Prophets to write down the gospels on paper so now we have the Holy Scriptures to read.
Seeing Jesus is the Almighty God, Jesus already had the Holy Gospels Written in heaven, before the gospels came here to the Holy Prophet's to give them to us here on earth.
Mohsen
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
Where is the gospel of Jesus?
I'm pretty well clued up on canon history.All I see are four gospels written by four mysterious men who never left a last name, nor a tribal affiliation, nor a lineage to right - ignoring all three customs of integrity of the period in question... so where is it? To make matters worse - there are literally thousands of NT bible VERSIONS, and this is irreconcilable when we consider the TRANSLATIONS to boot.
God is not the author of confusion... however, Jeremiah 8:8 is quite telling, your scribes are to blame! But you want to ignore that in lieu of a weak investment in an emotional idea!
This is an appeal to emotion. I don't do those - show me where the Gospel of Jesus is? Not the gospels "according to" four mystery men as I pointed out in a paragraph above
and definitely not no flagrantly weak investment in an uncontextual teaching which you propose.If all you have is the appeal to emotion, then you're on the wrong foot!
Peace
Notanumber
A Free Man
You could not make it up.
Mohsen
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
google David Wood attempted to hammer his father to death.
He's a psychopath
Your source needs work! he's lost all credibility. Especially when he wore that dress:
Notanumber
A Free Man
google David Wood attempted to hammer his father to death.
He's a psychopath
Your source needs work! he's lost all credibility. Especially when he wore that dress:
I sat through your video out of courtesy and it proved one very good point. David Wood can make informative, educational and entertaining videos. Need I say more?
What was Muhammad doing wearing women’s garments?
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Where is the gospel of Jesus?
All I see are four gospels written by four mysterious men who never left a last name, nor a tribal affiliation, nor a lineage to right - ignoring all three customs of integrity of the period in question... so where is it? To make matters worse - there are literally thousands of NT bible VERSIONS, and this is irreconcilable when we consider the TRANSLATIONS to boot.
God is not the author of confusion... however, Jeremiah 8:8 is quite telling, your scribes are to blame! But you want to ignore that in lieu of a weak investment in an emotional idea!
This is an appeal to emotion. I don't do those - show me where the Gospel of Jesus is? Not the gospels "according to" four mystery men as I pointed out in a paragraph above
If all you have is the appeal to emotion, then you're on the wrong foot!
Peace
Back in those days People had no last names.
Just like Abraham, Ishmael, Issac, No last name.
Muhammad No last name.
You can't be that clued up on Canon history, if you don't know where Canon came from.
Gospel of Jesus go from book of Genesis to book of Revelation there you find Gospel of Jesus.
You see, have no idea where other Bible's came from how they are Corrupted.
King James version is only good bible.No Corrupted.
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The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Unseen things like the wind?
Okay, fair enough. What about those people who are revived from near-death and didn't see a thing? Is that evidence to the contrary?
He could be but he's probably not.
Evidence such as near-death experiences - some of which don't actually reveal the existence of your god or any gods? That's not very strong grounds.
Oh get out of here with this arrogant nonsense, will you? 'You believe in my god even if you don't know it'... give me a break. It's this sort of single-minded, self-congratulatory back-thumping that puts people off monotheist religions generally. Presuming to know what others believe or don't in their hearts is the height of hubris.
The best part is according to the Quran people only believe or don't through Allah's will - so ultimately it's down to Allah whether or not someone accepts Islam and is spared the fire.
Surah 14:4 - "And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allah sends astray [thereby] whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
And before you hit out with 'oh, but the context!', here are the verses on either side of it:
Surah 14:1-3:
Alif, Lam, Ra. [This is] a Book which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], that you might bring mankind out of darknesses into the light by permission of their Lord - to the path of the Exalted in Might, the Praiseworthy -
Allah, to whom belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And woe to the disbelievers from a severe punishment
The ones who prefer the worldly life over the Hereafter and avert [people] from the way of Allah, seeking to make it (seem) deviant. Those are in extreme error.
Surah 14:5-8
And We certainly sent Moses with Our signs, [saying], "Bring out your people from darknesses into the light and remind them of the days of Allah ." Indeed in that are signs for everyone patient and grateful.
And [recall, O Children of Israel], when Moses said to His people, "Remember the favor of Allah upon you when He saved you from the people of Pharaoh, who were afflicting you with the worst torment and were slaughtering your [newborn] sons and keeping your females alive. And in that was a great trial from your Lord.
And [remember] when your Lord proclaimed, 'If you are grateful, I will surely increase you [in favor]; but if you deny, indeed, My punishment is severe.' "
And Moses said, "If you should disbelieve, you and whoever is on the earth entirely - indeed, Allah is Free of need and Praiseworthy."
So essentially the verses before it are: the Quran is for Muslims, non-believers are in error. The verses after it talk about Moses and the Israelites.
Some people wake up from a nights sleep and can accurately recall their dreams, others wake up and watch as the very real dream slips away within seconds into a mishmash of events that now make no sense, yet others wake up and believe they did not have a dream. What I'm saying is, everyone is different. I showed some non testable evidence from eyewitnesses and we can't know more until Science has better tools or we pass over ourselves.
We were talking about Spirits/Souls not existence of God. It just so happens that God tells us through his Messengers and Prophets, that we are all Souls encased in human bodies.
There was a test done on a bunch of Atheists and if I come across it, I will post it. It involved a lie detector test.
The context is clear, they were sent Messengers, they were shown clear signs, yet they turned their backs, so God seals their hearts and increases them in unbelief. They can do what they like with their free will and you can be witness to their testimonies wen they meet their maker. Every single one of them chose their destination, and not a single one of them will protest or argue the case.
Highlighted in red to support my position.....
Surah 14:1-3:
Alif, Lam, Ra. [This is] a Book which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], that you might bring mankind out of darknesses into the light by permission of their Lord - to the path of the Exalted in Might, the Praiseworthy -
Allah, to whom belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And woe to the disbelievers from a severe punishment
The ones who prefer the worldly life over the Hereafter and avert [people] from the way of Allah, seeking to make it (seem) deviant. Those are in extreme error.
Surah 14:5-8
And We certainly sent Moses with Our signs, [saying], "Bring out your people from darknesses into the light and remind them of the days of Allah ." Indeed in that are signs for everyone patient and grateful.
And [recall, O Children of Israel], when Moses said to His people, "Remember the favor of Allah upon you when He saved you from the people of Pharaoh, who were afflicting you with the worst torment and were slaughtering your [newborn] sons and keeping your females alive. And in that was a great trial from your Lord.
And [remember] when your Lord proclaimed, 'If you are grateful, I will surely increase you [in favor]; but if you deny, indeed, My punishment is severe.' "
And Moses said, "If you should disbelieve, you and whoever is on the earth entirely - indeed, Allah is Free of need and Praiseworthy."
The final Messenger of God was sent to the Israelites as they were promised in Deut 18 and Isaiah 42, Jesus pbuh also mentioned the Comforter to come who would teach the people all things. Therefore the immediate message is for Jews, Christians, Pagan and believing Arabs.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
What Moses wrote about in Deut 18:18 is about Jesus how he would come into the world.
That of Isaiah 42, is about Jesus.
The Comforter, is the Spirit of the Almighty God that shall lead all people into the truth in the Holy Scriptures,Bible.
You said that God tells us through his messengers and prophets, that we all are souls encased in human body.
The Almighty God encased Himself in the human body of Jesus.
This is how Jesus is the Almighty God.
For the Almighty God made a human body and encased Himself in the human body of Jesus.
The Almighty God can do all things.
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Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
How is Jesus the Almighty God?
The Almighty God through His Messengers and Holy Prophets, Tell's us that we all are Souls that are encased in human body's.
The Almighty God made himself a human body and encased Himself in that human body of Jesus.
This is how Jesus is the Almighty God.
For the Almighty God made Himself a human body and encased Himself in that human body of Jesus.
There you have Jesus is the Almighty God.
Almighty God can do all things.
The Almighty God through His Messengers and Holy Prophets, Tell's us that we all are Souls that are encased in human body's.
The Almighty God made himself a human body and encased Himself in that human body of Jesus.
This is how Jesus is the Almighty God.
For the Almighty God made Himself a human body and encased Himself in that human body of Jesus.
There you have Jesus is the Almighty God.
Almighty God can do all things.
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Luke Clintock
New Member
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14.6
Please show me where Jesus pbuh claimed to be that Prophet? How is he the 'brethren' of the Israelites? How can God not speak without another God placing words into his mouth? Why did Jesus pbuh mention that Prophet/Spirit would come after him, and GOD wold put His words into his mouth, if as you claim he was that Prophet?
Jesus pbuh roared like a lion and went into battle? when did this happen? When did he go to Arabia for the children of Kedar to rejoice from the Mountain tops?
So the Holy Bible contains all truth? What's the punishment for theft? If a man has two daughters and is divorced, how is his estate divided after his death?
Many more questions to come once you've replied.
God has never been seen by his creation, He is unlike anything in creation. How could he be a man? This can't be the real god unless you can explain, and yes I have more questions on this when you reply.
Notanumber
A Free Man
Why is Islam called the religion of peace when all the evidence points to it being the very opposite?
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Look Jesus speaking to the people said.
"For had you believed Moses, you would haved believed Me, For he ( Moses ) wrote of Me, but if you believe not his ( Moses ) writings, how shall you believe my words"
Gospel of John 5:46,47,
In Deut 18:18, This is Moses writings of Jesus.
What you mean, God has never been seen by his creation, Are you saying father Abraham lies.
father Abraham said he seen God face to face.
"And the Lord God appeared unto him
( Abraham ) in the plains of Mamre, and he ( Abraham ) sat in the tent door in the heat of the day, and he ( Abraham ) lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him,and Abraham saw them, Abraham ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said My Lord God, if now I have found favour in your eye, pass not away, I pray you,from your servant" Genesis 18
So how you say, God has never been seen by his creation.
But father Abraham seen God, face to face.
Do you say, father Abraham tells lie.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Jesus was born in the house of Israel, making Jesus brethren to Israel.
Jesus was born in the tribe of Juda of Israel.
God made souls and encased them in human body's.
God made human body and encased Himself in human body Jesus.
Almighty God can do all things.
The Comforter is Holy Spirit of the Almighty God.
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It doesn't tell you where Moses pbuh wrote about Prophet Jesus pbuh. We know Jesus pbuh will kill Satan, so perhaps he is being mentioned in Genesis 3:15.
Moses pbuh was a Prophet only, he became leader of his people, defeated his enemies. You say Jesus pbuh is GOD Himself :/ Where did Jesus pbuh ever lead a Nation or defeat his enemies? Rather Christians say, his enemies overpowered him with ease; all his followers forsook him and they managed to crucify him in a record breaking 6 hours :/
Notice the Prophet in Deut 18:18 would only speak the words God placed into his mouth, similarly when Jesus pbuh was ready to return to Allah swt he said,
"But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come." John 16:13
Please read the context, these 3 men were Angels representing God.
Here is a Christian Website explaining it:
Appearing in Human Form
Of course not, I say some of you Christians either don't know your own Bible or are out to trick less informed people.
God did not say, I would raise a prophet from amongst your Descendants, rather he said from amongst your Brethren. We know the Ishmaelites and others were cousins, (brethren) to the Israelites.
He tells you,
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
If that's the case then with the following verse in mind, "I still have much to tell you, but you cannot yet bear to hear it." John 16:12
Please list the MANY things he told the Christians after Jesus pbuh returned to Allah swt.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
The Holy Spirit is The Almighty God.
Moses Written many times about Jesus, but seeing you don't know what bible say.
Prophet Daniel Written about Jesus,
Prophet Ezekiel Written about Jesus
Prophet Jeremiah Written about Jesus
Prophet Isaiah written about Jesus
Prophet Amos Written about Jesus
All Prophets Written about Jesus
From the book of Genesis to Revelation is about Gospel of Jesus.
Father Abraham saw 3 come unto him, one was Almighty God Jesus. Other 2 were mighty angels.
Almighty God came down here himself to see what Sodom and Gomorrah really do.and came to Abraham at his tent door to speak with Abraham.
Jesus lead Israel many times in war to defeat their enemies.
But you will, say where Jesus lead armies into war.
You show do not know Christian bible.
You say here is Christian website to explain.
That is to funny, I do not follow what other men will say.
I only follow only what the Almighty God will say. Not man will say.
What man is there that knows more than Almighty God knows.
Can you tell, where is that man, that will know more than Almighty God.
Are you that man, that will know more than Almighty God.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
The Lord God told Moses that he would raise a Prophet like Moses from their brethren Duet 18:18.
When Israel came out of bondage from Egypt, The Lord God spoke unto Moses saying, " I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren like unto you
( Moses ) Deut 18:18.
Only Moses and Israel came out of bondage of Egypt.
Muhammad do not tell you this, Muhammad leave you less informed.to trick you like the desert scorpions that strike a man leave man dead.