Seems a hell of a lot worse now. It's certainly worse than when I first went to university a few years ago.
Do you apply the same logic to Nazi's, white supremacists, etc? Also, hard to exclude them from the story when they're acting violently.
Sure I do. But here is the difference. Antifa is there but they are not carrying hate mongering banners.
When people claim they simply happened to be at the same march with Nazi's, I cry foul. You do not get to march next to guys carrying the nazi flags and claim you are innocent. If Nazi's are there, you should go home.
Antifa, right or not, sees themselves as a response from the left to the violent right wing extremist. An eye for an eye if you will. But they do not espouse hateful rhetoric in and of itself.
Stop demonising everyone at these rallies as nazis. It makes you look stupid. For proof of antifa inciting violence, a simple youtube search will give you plenty of evidence.
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Inciting violence or being involved in violence? The two are distinct. If a nazi came at me, you better believe I would get violent. As would many people. There is a difference between being prepared for violence and inciting it.
As for demonizing everyone, I don't do that. I'm simply pointing out that Nazi's were at these rallies as a minority (the exception being Charlottesville) just as antifa was. Antifa was there as a response to the hatemongers.
The problem is it is a dangerous group because they have no controls, no leadership and are simply a label people affix to themselves. So they range from those simply looking to pick a fight, to legitimate counter protesters. Talking about them like a coherent group is silly. They just aren't.
Time will tell. I'm not as optimistic though.
I think the much bigger issue than the nonsense about free speech is the danger of continued escalation between hardline groups in this country. That is what people should be taking from these stories.