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Antifa's end.

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
? I'm not contradicting myself. It is illegal for communist to even organize per the law. Its just not enforced. I am saying the reason it should now be enforced is because of the violence.

I understand allowing them to gather and not cracking down immediately. But with the increasingly escalating amount of violence and loss of property a line must be drawn.
Being a communist does not imply acting violently or even defending violent action.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Being a communist does not imply acting violently or even defending violent action.

Never said it did. But it is Antifa whos anarcho-communism branch are guilty of most of the politically motivated violence at Berkeley over the past few months. With members like Yvette Felarca and Eric Clanton currently in custody and on trial for assault. Both are members of Antifa and/or affiliate groups, alot of intersectionality with these folks. Ties to groups like BAMN and even pro pedophile civil right groups like Nambla. Its get uglier the deeper you investigate.
 
It's not the same. The antifa movement is recent in the US. It's anti-fascist, anti-racist, anti-sexist, etc. You know, things most people are in favor of.

AntiFa USA

Yes, AFA groups do tend to oppose racism and sexism too and can embrace other social causes. This has long been a staple of the far left.

You say it's 'not the same' despite the fact it uses exactly the same name and exactly the same symbols as European Antifa movements.

From your link, profile photo (note symbol in top left):
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Now note the following:
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If you still won't believe me, you can read some of the content on the link you provided, or read this:

Antifa (United States) - Wikipedia

Fire and Flames Music and Clothing
 
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Altfish

Veteran Member
Communist Control Act of 1954 - Wikipedia

Actually yes it is. Once they gather to commit political violence and/or overthrow the government Article 50 U.S Code 842 otherwise known as the Communist Control act of 1954 kicks in. Which is where we stand today. Why this law has not been strictly enforced yet, I cannot say. But I believe with the increasingly violent outburst, it will be very soon.
Isn't that true of any party/group/set - if you gather to commit political violence, etc. it is illegal.
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
They don't care about minorities like they claim. Because I have witnessed them assault people of color, elderly, and the disabled. They are bullies who prey upon anyone weaker than they are that have a differing opinion. While hiding behind the guise of social justice. The end for antifa in the U.S. is near. The only question is how.

Do you have any actual evidence of this? I haven't seen anything like that.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Isn't that true of any party/group/set - if you gather to commit political violence, etc. it is illegal.

Yes.

But with this law specifically regarding communist violence, especially in an attempt to overthrow the government as is the case here. The communist that is responsible for the violence lose most if not all of their rights. In other words they cannot plead the 5th amendment or use the very laws they are attempting to overthrow to protect them from prosecution.

Communist have tried this before. Working within the confines of U.S. law to destabilize the capitalistic system and overthrow the government from within. Which is why the communism control act was signed into law.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Yes, AFA groups do tend to oppose racism and sexism too and can embrace other social causes. This has long been a staple of the far left.

You say it's 'not the same' despite the fact it uses exactly the same name and exactly the same symbols as European Antifa movements.

From your link, profile photo (note symbol in top left):

Now note the following:

If you still won't believe me, you can read some of the content on the link you provided, or read this:

Antifa (United States) - Wikipedia

Fire and Flames Music and Clothing
Antifa only show up when racists show up. You won't see them without a cause. Most people don't like racists, so it makes sense. Now, we can talk about this word "violence" that keeps getting thrown around. They haven't killed anyone yet, they haven't injured anyone yet more so than the racist side.
I applaud what they do because racists and people who think like them should be eradicated from society. No one should be supporting nazi sympathizers.

We can say all day long they're a violent group, but that doesn't compare to the KKK and their sympathizers. Antifa are not listed as a domestic terrorist organization, but the KKK and far-right organizations are. Mostly because they have a history of violence and carrying out terrorist acts.

It's a false equivalence to compare antifa to the KKK and far-right groups. (I understand that your media uses propaganda to make it seem like they're worse)
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Do you have any actual evidence of this? I haven't seen anything like that.

Evidence of what? Violence? Ok, here is 2 of the videos i mentioned.

Antifa bashing the fasc out of this young man.

Antifa bullying and assaulting this elderly disabled veteran.

This is just 2 examples mind you. There are many more. The evidence is overwhelming.

You know what I just remembered a video where antifa even attacked one of its own members because they thought he was a skin head. I cant find a raw clip of that anymore (without any commentary anyways). This group is unhinged.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Not unconstitutional. You do realize that people do not have a right to be violent to others or destroy private property right? Someone can be a communist in theory, talk about communist theories etc. (Tehehe communist l.a.r.pers..ahem) Thats all covered under free speech. But the minute one runs for office, commits violence, or tries to overthrow the current government/potus, that person is a treasonous criminal and should be treated as such.

Well hello there sexy. :D

I'm a Communist and I couldn't help over hear you call me a treasonous criminal for trying to destroy your way of life. I'm flattered and it would be rude of me not to introduce myself when you clearly take such an interest.

Can I be of any assistance?

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tytlyf

Not Religious
Evidence of what? Violence? Ok, here is 2 of the videos i mentioned.

Antifa bashing the fasc out of this young man.

Antifa bullying and assaulting this elderly disabled veteran.

This is just 2 examples mind you. There are many more. The evidence is overwhelming.

You know what I just remembered a video where antifa even attacked one of its own members because they thought he was a skin head. I cant find a raw clip of that anymore (without any commentary anyways). This group is unhinged.
Those aren't examples. The first video shows the black guy throwing the first punch.
The second video doesn't show violence or assault. Are you not watching the videos and just going from the title of the video? Careful, that's how propaganda works.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Antifa only show up when racists show up. You won't see them without a cause. Most people don't like racists, so it makes sense. Now, we can talk about this word "violence" that keeps getting thrown around. They haven't killed anyone yet, they haven't injured anyone yet more so than the racist side.
I applaud what they do because racists and people who think like them should be eradicated from society. No one should be supporting nazi sympathizers.

We can say all day long they're a violent group, but that doesn't compare to the KKK and their sympathizers. Antifa are not listed as a domestic terrorist organization, but the KKK and far-right organizations are. Mostly because they have a history of violence and carrying out terrorist acts.

It's a false equivalence to compare antifa to the KKK and far-right groups. (I understand that your media uses propaganda to make it seem like they're worse)

I am sorry but you are wrong. You are either willfully ignoring reality, or desperately out of touch with it.

Recently in Boston there was a free speech rally. Would you like to see the "neo nazis" antifa showed up to counter protest.

Here look at these nazis!

What 15? 20? Diverse people showed up to have a free speech rally. Meanwhile 1,000+ antifa showed up to "counter protest". All the while flinging glass bottles filled with urine and feces at the cops who were merely protecting that handful of people from being beaten by over a 1,000!

Communism and National Socialism (Nazi) are 2 different sides of the same evil crappy coin. Hitler praised Marx for many of his ideas, and even remarked at how great he thought some of them were. The difference between these 2 groups is very little unfortunately.
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
Evidence of what? Violence? Ok, here is 2 of the videos i mentioned.

Antifa bashing the fasc out of this young man.

Antifa bullying and assaulting this elderly disabled veteran.

This is just 2 examples mind you. There are many more. The evidence is overwhelming.

You know what I just remembered a video where antifa even attacked one of its own members because they thought he was a skin head. I cant find a raw clip of that anymore (without any commentary anyways). This group is unhinged.

So I'm trying to figure out what this is evidence of. I didn't say they weren't violent. I want evidence that they don't care about people of color or the disabled. The first video gives absolutely no reason for the altercation. It simply shows one idiot in the face of another and the black man swings first. How is that evidence of anything without having the information on why the fight started? I don't even know who is who in that fight. The second video shows someone throwing a few drops of water on the man in the wheelchair. Kind of a dick move but not exactly violence. And if you listen closely they are mad because the man in the chair said he was going to shoot someone in the face.

Now I am not claiming they are innocent. They certainly aren't non violent. But a couple video clips of them yelling doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know.

Antifa is not an organization. They have no leadership, no website and no membership roles. They are not unified. Some are there for political reasons, some for a good fight, some because they think it will be fun. The right wants them demonized and the left isn't exactly happy about them either. Anything is possible. Anyone who shows up is labeled as a member. The goals of the majority I can understand, but considering these facts it is virtually guaranteed it will not end well.

The last thing I will say is this. I can completely understand why people are made nervous by this group. I am too. But anyone who points the finger at them as THE problem, without also pointing at the other side of the aisle is delusional. This garbage has been escalated from the top down on the republican side of the aisle. On the left, this is a reaction to that escalation. I don't hear major members of the democratic party talking about beating up the opposition or punching them. Quite the opposite in fact. Yet our president did just that.
 
(I understand that your media uses propaganda to make it seem like they're worse)

This is the problem with a tribalistic approach to politics that results in knee-jerk reactions and pre-meditated responses to what other people say without any regard for what they actually do say. You assume that anyone who disagrees with you is biased/ignorant/partisan/etc.

I was just pointing out that your description of Antifa was incorrect, they are an AFA group not just an anti-racist group.

Providing a factual description is not a partisan endeavour. For AFA groups, violence is part of their philosophy, they themselves will acknowledge that. I know numerous people who were involved in left-wing violence in their younger days, they never saw your need to downplay this aspect of their philosophy.

Whether you agree or disagree with this philosophy is a completely different question, and one which I haven't discussed at all. I also have never made any attempt to create any kind of 'equivalence', that is all in your imagination.

If you want to discuss Antifa though (especially if you want to criticise others for their ignorance) you should at least understand the basics of their philosophy.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
The last thing I will say is this. I can completely understand why people are made nervous by this group. I am too. But anyone who points the finger at them as THE problem, without also pointing at the other side of the aisle is delusional. This garbage has been escalated from the top down on the republican side of the aisle. On the left, this is a reaction to that escalation. I don't hear major members of the democratic party talking about beating up the opposition or punching them. Quite the opposite in fact. Yet our president did just that.

The videos speak volumes for themselves. If you want to willfully ignore them that is on you.

Just because someone criticizes antifa does not make them pro-fascist or on the "other side". I will let you in on a secret. There is not just 2 sides to the issue.

Personally I am not concerned with alt-right. White identitarians/nationalist/supremacist will never gain traction or ever attain any real power. So they are not a threat. Should they become one, they will be dealt with.

Anyone trying to shut down free speech is a threat. And only one side is attempting that, as shown in the videos.
 

9Westy9

Sceptic, Libertarian, Egalitarian
Premium Member
Antifa only show up when racists show up.

Which is why they regularly counter protest free speech rallies. :facepalm:

Those aren't examples. The first video shows the black guy throwing the first punch.
The second video doesn't show violence or assault. Are you not watching the videos and just going from the title of the video? Careful, that's how propaganda works.

The first video clearly shows the black guy getting hit first (1:59)
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
The videos speak volumes for themselves. If you want to willfully ignore them that is on you.

Just because someone criticizes antifa does not make them pro-fascist or on the "other side". I will let you in on a secret. There is not just 2 sides to the issue.

Personally I am not concerned with alt-right. White identitarians/nationalist/supremacist will never gain traction or ever attain any real power. So they are not a threat. Should they become one, they will be dealt with.

Anyone trying to shut down free speech is a threat. And only one side is attempting that, as shown in the videos.

Really? So you aren't worried about the group that wants to slaughter Jews and black people, but the group who wants to confront them has you shaking in your boots?

Sheer insanity.

These Nazi's are not innocent protesters. They have a history of destroying property and even killing people and are largely comprised of ex-cons and the mentally ill. If that doesn't concern you then I can't help you.
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
Which is why they regularly counter protest free speech rallies. :facepalm:

Regularly? How many "free speech" rallies have they protested? I know of exactly one. They were there because some people had reported that this was another Nazi rally.

And there was very little violence at the Boston Rally.

The first video clearly shows the black guy getting hit first (1:59)

It certainly does not. It shows a tussle that is obscured, then it shows them standing there for another 10 seconds, then the black man punches him. But I couldn't care less who started it. Both parties looked like they were itching for a fight.
 

9Westy9

Sceptic, Libertarian, Egalitarian
Premium Member
Regularly? How many "free speech" rallies have they protested? I know of exactly one. They were there because some people had reported that this was another Nazi rally.

And there was very little violence at the Boston Rally.

Berkeley Free Speech Rally, April 15th.
Toronto Free Speech Rally, May 6
Boston Free Speech Rally, May 13th (No violence that I'm aware of)
Portland Free Speech Rally, June 4th.

I could probably find more, but you get the point

It certainly does not. It shows a tussle that is obscured, then it shows them standing there for another 10 seconds, then the black man punches him. But I couldn't care less who started it. Both parties looked like they were itching for a fight.

The aggressor throws their arm into the face of the black guy. Calling that a "tussle" is disingenuous. I agree that both were itching for a fight though
 
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