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Hell is not eternal

If Hell were to exist, do you think it would be eternal?

  • yes

    Votes: 5 23.8%
  • no

    Votes: 16 76.2%

  • Total voters
    21

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Isaiah 66:24
And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.


Daniel 12:1-2

At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.


Matthew 18:6-9
Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes! And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.


Matthew 25:31-46

When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, “Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.” . . . Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. . . . And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”


Mark 9:42-48

Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, “where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.”


2 Thessalonians 1:5-10

This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering—since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.


Jude 7
Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.


Jude 13
[These people are] wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever.


Revelation 14:9-11

If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.


Revelation 20:10
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. . . . Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

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I'm more into Shamanism because of verses like that in the Bible. The God I've experienced isn't the God I often read about in Scripture. Scripture often contradicts itself leading many people to opposite beliefs.

I find that many Scripture verses are bad for my mental health. Scripture also says God is love.

In order for me to be happy, have peace, and mantain a sound mind, I can't take serious those verses of the Bible. I see it like a parent trying to scare his children into not doing something, with no intention of actually following through with it.

If that is cherry picking the Bible, so be it. The Bible contradicts itself therefore should be cherry picked. Everyone cherry picks the Bible lol.

As I said, my faith is more Shamanic than Biblical.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I could never love a God who would have people tortured for all eternity just for not believing in him. That is just wicked, depressing, epitome of unjust, cruel, ugly, and sickening! It is the worst, most horrifying and depressing thing I've ever heard!

I don't believe Hell is eternal. I know a lot of unbelievers and wicked people and wouldn't want any of them to suffer for eternity, not even if they killed my whole family.

Scripture does mention a lake of fire for those whose names weren't written in the book of life. Fire is often used in Scripture symbolically to symbolize purification. God said he would purify his people as gold is purified in fire. So, I think that the lake of fire is symbolic to mean a painful place of being punished, purified, and perfected.

I wouldn't burn anyone in hell forever. I told that to God, and God said I'm not more merciful than him. if he is more merciful than me, then there is no eternal hell.

1 Corinthians 3:15 "will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire." These are fires of purification.

Zechariah 13:9
This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, 'They are my people,' and they will say, 'The LORD is our God.'"
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I think of hell as a separation from God

bad enough here in this life

if that condition carries over into the next......
oh hell.....!!!!!!

and the separation ( I suspect) is self created

to be in heaven (with God) some compatibility is likely to be required
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
A Father will sometimes scare a child into believing a consequence will be worse than it is to discourage bad behavior.
 

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The world is on fire
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And there are many passages about god's jealousy, vengeance, wrath, and injustice. For example

Nahum 1:2
The Lord is a jealous and avenging God; the Lord is avenging and wrathful;​

Exodus 12:29
29 At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well.

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How circular. Just reverse that caption and it's exactly my point.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I accept Jesus as my Lord and savior, does that mean I'm saved? I'm practicing Shamanism and necromancy by the way because that is what I feel called to.

God gave me a conscience. I've asked God to mold and guide my conscience because I don't follow ancient text when my conscience tells me "that's sick, unjust, and wrong".

People are blind. They don't choose to be blind. It isn't their fault.

Christianity is divided and splintered into thousands of denominations. All claim that they are the most Biblical. They are confused and it isn't their fault.

God knows people don't choose to be blind. I pray for and seek understanding because I am blind in many areas.

I read the Bible and see the contradictions and all the verses that lead people to opposite beliefs and become far more confused.

Blind people are not choosing to be blind. God will take that into account.
 

Ponder This

Well-Known Member
I could never love a God who would have people tortured for all eternity just for not believing in him. That is just wicked, depressing, epitome of unjust, cruel, ugly, and sickening! It is the worst, most horrifying and depressing thing I've ever heard!

I don't believe Hell is eternal. I know a lot of unbelievers and wicked people and wouldn't want any of them to suffer for eternity, not even if they killed my whole family.

Scripture does mention a lake of fire for those whose names weren't written in the book of life. Fire is often used in Scripture symbolically to symbolize purification. God said he would purify his people as gold is purified in fire. So, I think that the lake of fire is symbolic to mean a painful place of being punished, purified, and perfected.

I wouldn't burn anyone in hell forever. I told that to God, and God said I'm not more merciful than him. if he is more merciful than me, then there is no eternal hell.

1 Corinthians 3:15 "will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire." These are fires of purification.

Zechariah 13:9
This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, 'They are my people,' and they will say, 'The LORD is our God.'"
hell-06.jpg

It is a truly terrible thing - an unending torment - to not be able to forgive oneself.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
If you guys that answered yes are right , that is the most depressing thing I've ever heard of. My conscience tells me it's sick and wrong!

How could I tell a family the gospel is good news , when so many of their family and friends will be tortured for trillions and trillions and trillions of years???

It sounds absolutely ridiculous to me. Hold a flame to your finger for 30 seconds and you will be screaming in agony and in pain for days. Now imagine your whole body burned in the worst possible agony for trillions of years.

It is the most horrifying, depressing, miserable teaching and reality I have ever heard of, and Christianity is bad for my mental health when it includes such toxic madness! Should I follow an ancient text when I find it irrational, disturbing, psychotic, cruel, disgusting, and sick??
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Christianity is divided and splintered into thousands of denominations. All claim that they are the most Biblical. They are confused and it isn't their fault.

"...From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done." Qur'an 5:14
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
"...From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done." Qur'an 5:14
Islam is in worse shape than Christianity. Just look at the rape and murder of Shiites and how often Muslims kill other Muslims in religious war. Christians are divided, but in our current world do you see religious wars between the denominations?

Islam is divided, they just don't call the division denominations. Instead it manifests as radical Islamic groups like ISIS and Al Queda who primarily kill Muslims and outlaw other faiths.

When was the last time a Christian country outlawed the public practice of Islam?

Yet Islamic laws do call for such bigotry. Monotheism is in complete shambles. I'll stick with Shamanism :)
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Islam is in worse shape than Christianity. Just look at the rape and murder of Shiites and how often Muslims kill other Muslims in religious war. Christians are divided, but in our current world do you see religious wars between the denominations?

Islam is divided, they just don't call the division denominations. Instead it manifests as radical Islamic groups like ISIS and Al Queda who primarily kill Muslims and outlaw other faiths.
Yet Islamic laws do call for such bigotry. Monotheism is in complete shambles. I'll stick with Shamanism :)[/QUOTE]
Isis and Al-Qaeda were tools created by the West to help in their agenda of greed. Sunnis and Shias have lived side by side for hundreds of years, intermarrying etc.

When was the last time a Christian country outlawed the public practice of Islam?
Where are Christians banned in public?
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
How circular. Just reverse that caption and it's exactly my point.

To explain:
The difference is that those of us who cite passages illustrating god's appalling behavior typically do so only to counter Christian assertions of god's supposed omnibenevolence and perfect love. Unlike you, we don't really care that much about your god. In this case, if you had never cherry picked the Bible in order to claim god is love I wouldn't care what you think your god is like. To me it would be a non-issue, but start telling people god is A, B, and C because that's what the Bible tells you, all the while purposely ignoring his contradictory nature in passages X, Y, and Z is outright dishonest. Fool yourself all you want, but don't fool others. It's more than being "not nice."

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Thief

Rogue Theologian
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People are blind. They don't choose to be blind. It isn't their fault.

Christianity is divided and splintered into thousands of denominations. All claim that they are the most Biblical. They are confused and it isn't their fault.

God knows people don't choose to be blind. I pray for and seek understanding because I am blind in many areas.

I read the Bible and see the contradictions and all the verses that lead people to opposite beliefs and become far more confused.

Blind people are not choosing to be blind. God will take that into account.
it is written....
none are so blind as those who will not see

it is their fault
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I didn't say that. Public practice of Christianity is banned.
Is this not true?
The Bible is illegal (and death penalty for smuggling it in Saudi Arabia?)
Saudi Arabia's New Law Imposes Death Sentence for Bible Smugglers?
Not true:

  • Christmas trees, crosses, crucifixes, stars of david or any other items associated with religions other than the Muslim faith. *Bibles are allowed for personal use only, ie one Bible per person.
Items Banned from bringing into Saudi Arabia

You are not allowed to practice anything other than Islam in Mecca, Americans and others have their own enclaves where they can meet to pray and study all things to do with their own religion/beliefs.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Not true:

  • Christmas trees, crosses, crucifixes, stars of david or any other items associated with religions other than the Muslim faith. *Bibles are allowed for personal use only, ie one Bible per person.
Items Banned from bringing into Saudi Arabia

You are not allowed to practice anything other than Islam in Mecca, Americans and others have their own enclaves where they can meet to pray and study all things to do with their own religion/beliefs.
Thanks, that's good to know.
 
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