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Can we have sympathy both ways

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
However, I think Genisis is different, because that was also how God intended things before sin entered the world.
In Genesis, God presents Adam with a range of potential partners, all animals, and only creates Eve after Adam doesn't find anything to his tastes.

The story doesn't suggest "Adam and Eve" as an example of God's preferred arrangement for humanity. In God's model, "Adam and Fido" or "Adam and Bessie" are the preferred arrangement... but God is willing to adjust things to suit Adam's orientation.

So why aren't you willing?
 

SinSaber

Member
I have stayed out of your evil little thread for days. I don't want to annoy the RF staff by being really honest with you.
But I am going to.

I want you and your bigoted religious compadres to suffer for being bigots! You are an orientation bigot. I am not sorry at all that it makes you very very sad for people to point out that you and your religion have caused immense suffering and death.

I have spent to much of my life dealing with the destruction caused by you Christian's homophobia to feel bad that it is now a problem for you!
No, I am not at all willing to help you feel better about your bigotry. You deserve to suffer at least as much as the gay people like myself have suffered due to your belief that ancient people know more about God and me than I do.

Get over your #&€!×#$@! You are the problem. Not me.
Tom

Have a pleasant day.

In Genesis, God presents Adam with a range of potential partners, all animals, and only creates Eve after Adam doesn't find anything to his tastes.

The story doesn't suggest "Adam and Eve" as an example of God's preferred arrangement for humanity. In God's model, "Adam and Fido" or "Adam and Bessie" are the preferred arrangement... but God is willing to adjust things to suit Adam's orientation.

So why aren't you willing?

The animals were not made to be companions of Adam. Your rationale actually sounds like an approval of beastiality

You're talking about how the sexes compliment each other then?

No, God literally presented the sexes to each other. You only give a present to someone you love.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I'm non denominational. It's the same thing.
I don't understand what you're saying here. What does that have to do with anything? I'm just trying to understand why you see homosexuality as a sin and why it's so important to you to believe it is.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
The animals were not made to be companions of Adam. Your rationale actually sounds like an approval of beastiality
Not my rationale; the Bible's. Have you actually read Genesis?

Genesis 2:18-19
18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a companion for him who corresponds to him.” 19 The Lord God formed out of the ground every living animal of the field and every bird of the air.

In the story, Eve is God's plan B after his plan A - a bird or beast as Adam's companion - fails. The pairing of Adam and Eve is portrayed as Adam's decision, not God's. See verse 23.

You're free to accept the Bible or not. And my point is that even if you choose to accept the Bible, you have no obligation to interpret it in a bigoted way. If you do that, it's completely on you. Expect anger at this to be directed at you, not excused because you say it's required by your religion.

Take responsibility for your positions. If what you say angers and offends other people, then think about what it is about what you say and do that causes anger and offence; don't just automatically dismiss these reactions to you as wrong or not legitimate.
 

SinSaber

Member
Not my rationale; the Bible's. Have you actually read Genesis?

Genesis 2:18-19


In the story, Eve is God's plan B after his plan A - a bird or beast as Adam's companion - fails. The pairing of Adam and Eve is portrayed as Adam's decision, not God's. See verse 23.

You're free to accept the Bible or not. And my point is that even if you choose to accept the Bible, you have no obligation to interpret it in a bigoted way. If you do that, it's completely on you. Expect anger at this to be directed at you, not excused because you say it's required by your religion.

Take responsibility for your positions. If what you say angers and offends other people, then think about what it is about what you say and do that causes anger and offence; don't just automatically dismiss these reactions to you as wrong or not legitimate.

And when people insult and offend me? My feelings count too. You just don't understand. None of you do. I have zero hate in my heart and yet I'm called a bigot. I don't care what people do, but I refuse to feel guilty for my beliefs. If they want to feel bad that's on them, not me.

You're just as bigoted
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
And when people insult and offend me? My feelings count too.
On the one side: your feelings.
On the other side:
- the feelings of the LGBT people you insult.
- the feelings of their families and loved ones.
- the real harm perpetrated on them by the cause you support.

Which side do you think has more on it?

You just don't understand. None of you do. I have zero hate in my heart and yet I'm called a bigot.
I don't believe you.

And it doesn't really matter. Even if you do hateful things cheerfully, it's still a problem.

I don't care what people do, but I refuse to feel guilty for my beliefs. If they want to feel bad that's on them, not me.

You're just as bigoted
It isn't bigotry if you've justified people's negative attitude toward you.

Personally, I'm fine with being intolerant of those who hurt others.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
And when people insult and offend me? My feelings count too. You just don't understand. None of you do. I have zero hate in my heart and yet I'm called a bigot. I don't care what people do, but I refuse to feel guilty for my beliefs. If they want to feel bad that's on them, not me.

You're just as bigoted
Mate it's called consequences. Karma, reap what you sow, however you wish to phrase it.

If you say racist things, you could do as many nice deeds as a saint, you will still be called a bigot or racist.
It doesn't matter if your racist beliefs come from religion, and some actually do.
Same thing with being against gay people in any capacity. If you say you believe homosexuality is a sin, fine, that's your belief and you're entitled to it. Other people are entitled to say what they think of such a belief. That includes calling them bigoted or you for holding such beliefs.
That's what free speech is.

Now in a work environment, you have to leave all such beliefs at the door. Professionalism is a thing.

As for it going both ways, hmm. On the one hand gay people are being driven to suicidal thoughts, kicked out of home, rejected, abused, treated as second class citizens because of the belief that being gay is a sin.
On the other is your hurt feelings. Sorry, gotta side with "teh gayz" on this one. Allowing you to hold a belief that says being gay is a sin is about as much sympathy as I can muster.

Now, that's not to say I can't get along with you as a person.
 

SinSaber

Member
This is a waste of time. This entire site is dominated by word bending liberals who only want things their way.

You're probably the same type that equates the over bloated "injustice" of Wonder Woman not getting a movie till '17 to the injustice of the gender gap
 
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